jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 7:00:49 GMT -5
I sure would like some opinions on how easy or problematic these symmetrical radiused edge shapes would be for wire wrapping. The initial sawing and shaping is crude and heavily chipped, then tumbling is utilized to finish edges in mass. This process makes dead flat cabs so the tumbler has little choice but to arrive at consistent radiused edges. Flat OK ? Also, much of this glass is presentable from either side, so I also ask - does a typical wrap have a presentable front side and a back side ? Or is there a 'bezel' side ?   Silhouettes OK ? Most are free form. :  Thanks in advance for any criticism or suggestions. |
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 30, 2018 7:10:56 GMT -5
That profile would be really well suited for a groove right in the center but as I said before I worry about being able to see the wire through the glass. My full blown wire wraps typically have a dedicated front and back with all of the wire ends being terminated on the back side. I have done reversible wraps but special care is needed to ensure cut wire ends of coils and bindings are not showing.
Chuck
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Post by HankRocks on Mar 30, 2018 7:22:46 GMT -5
The Pendants I make are all tumbled Preforms that are drilled and then use a simple Pinch Bails so no issue there. I have a good friend who has wrapped a few of mine for me and he seemed to have no problems with the rounded edges.
Let me know when your Etsy sales are ready to go, I think I could sell them. The Glass should be easy to drill.
Henry
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 30, 2018 7:25:02 GMT -5
I have always found glass difficult to wrap because it is so slick. If these had a straight profile on the edge they would be easier to set. The round profile makes it very difficult. It is doable, but very difficult. They can be wrapped so that each side looks almost the same, though. The wire need not show through on the back- or very little.
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Post by MrP on Mar 30, 2018 8:03:45 GMT -5
James if it was me I would square the edges after rough tumble because in the vibe they will more or less stay that way. I use a 220 hard wheel for the grind then a 280 soft to touch-up the sharp edges. Depending on how long they are in polish the edge will round very little. You are doing a great job and I love watching the progress. Can't wait to see how sales go. Good Luck................................MrP
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 8:07:40 GMT -5
I wrapped a few you sent. They are slick and thin and it was hard to keep the wire on them, but it's possible. The wire doesn't show through as much as I thought it would. They are not that transparent as one would think.
I also drilled holes in some. That was fairly easy except for one that had something in the middle that I cannot drill through.
Weird and has me perplexed as I cannot figure out what's keeping the bit from going through that spot.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Mar 30, 2018 10:00:39 GMT -5
Rounded edges are more difficult to wrap than straight edges, but it can be done with patience. If I was wrapping these, I'd just square the edges up on my Genie and have at it. Wouldn't take more than a couple of minutes to take the edges up to polish.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 11:11:25 GMT -5
All of these inputs are so helpful.
There is rarely anything made in the jewelry trade that does not require exacting specifications.
Most specifications requiring sweat on brow and precision skills.
I figured I would get plenty of constructive criticism.
In almost all cases it requires bench time. I knew y'all would make me sit at a bench to make things right.
Me and wife sat here and read and re-read every comment and have been discussing them in detail.
She ordered a variety 925 pinch bails. I lost the chuck to the foredom, must find so holes can be drilled for such.
May end up doing quality pinch bails and marketing them as they do allow two sided views.
Thanks you guys.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 11:13:17 GMT -5
All of these inputs are so helpful. There is rarely anything made in the jewelry trade that does not require exacting specifications. Most specifications requiring sweat on brow and precision skills. I figured I would get plenty of constructive criticism. In almost all cases it requires bench time. I knew y'all would make me sit at a bench to make things right. Me and wife sat here and read and re-read every comment and have been discussing them in detail. She ordered a variety 925 pinch bails. I lost the chuck to the foredom, must find so holes can be drilled for such. May end up doing quality pinch bails and marketing them as they do allow two sided views. Thanks you guys. The pinch bails are a great idea. |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 11:17:14 GMT -5
The other option I was looking at for you was copper tape and solder.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 11:26:21 GMT -5
The other option I was looking at for you was copper tape and solder. Copper tape ? will it show up on a search ? I will research |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 11:35:53 GMT -5
Yes, it's what they use for stained glass. I've been seeing people use it for raw Crystal's. Found an old thread that it didn't work for polished stones very well. This is what I've done so far with a couple you sent. One side drilled no problem, the other side, up in smoke Need a new bit to try a few more    |
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Post by HankRocks on Mar 30, 2018 12:49:52 GMT -5
MsAli , are you drilling those in water? I have a small tray set up for the Dremel when I drill to keep the stone under about an 1/8 of an inch of water. In this case maybe the diamond bit wore out and would not drill anymore. The one hole does seem to have signs of fractures from the high heat indicating a wore out bit. Tried my hand at Wire Wrapping, did not have enough patience to get to be just average so I have stuck with the Pinch Bails. Not near as elegant as the work I have seen you folks out here turn out but I have managed to sell them.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 12:55:44 GMT -5
MsAli , are you drilling those in water? I have a small tray set up for the Dremel when I drill to keep the stone under about an 1/8 of an inch of water. In this case maybe the diamond bit wore out and would not drill anymore. The one hole does seem to have signs of fractures from the high heat indicating a wore out bit. Tried my hand at Wire Wrapping, did not have enough patience to get to be just average so I have stuck with the Pinch Bails. Not near as elegant as the work I have seen you folks out here turn out but I have managed to sell them. I did have it in water . It hit that spot and poof it went . Almost like I hit a piece of metal. Weird Tried another bit and wouldn't go through either My wrapping is so not good. I do want to try some pinch bails |
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Post by Pat on Mar 30, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -5
ALWAYS use water when drilling etc on stone or glass; protects both drill bit and stone.
Use a slow up and down motion with the drill, so the water can enter the hole, cool off stone and drill bit, and flush away the dust from the hole.
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Post by wampidytoo on Mar 30, 2018 13:24:45 GMT -5
MsAli , are you drilling those in water? I have a small tray set up for the Dremel when I drill to keep the stone under about an 1/8 of an inch of water. In this case maybe the diamond bit wore out and would not drill anymore. The one hole does seem to have signs of fractures from the high heat indicating a wore out bit. Tried my hand at Wire Wrapping, did not have enough patience to get to be just average so I have stuck with the Pinch Bails. Not near as elegant as the work I have seen you folks out here turn out but I have managed to sell them. I did have it in water . It hit that spot and poof it went . Almost like I hit a piece of metal. Weird Tried another bit and wouldn't go through either My wrapping is so not good. I do want to try some pinch bails My guess would be that a diamond came off the drill and stuck in the glass. After that it was diamond drilling diamond and the only fix I know for that is to finish the hole from the back side. I am quite sure, but not positive, (couldn't see something that small) the same has happened to me. Drilling from the back side popped it right out. Jim |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 13:35:54 GMT -5
I did have it in water . It hit that spot and poof it went . Almost like I hit a piece of metal. Weird Tried another bit and wouldn't go through either My wrapping is so not good. I do want to try some pinch bails My guess would be that a diamond came off the drill and stuck in the glass. After that it was diamond drilling diamond and the only fix I know for that is to finish the hole from the back side. I am quite sure, but not positive, (couldn't see something that small) the same has happened to me. Drilling from the back side popped it right out. Jim I flipped it and it hit the same spot and did the same thing. Could be spot on that a diamond is stuck in there |
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Post by wampidytoo on Mar 30, 2018 13:53:52 GMT -5
Wow, good luck with that.
Jim
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Post by HankRocks on Mar 30, 2018 13:59:09 GMT -5
It would seem that our favorite junior scientist has found another way to make bullet-proof glass!!
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 30, 2018 14:25:46 GMT -5
jamesp , I think you could avoid the fully radiused edges by shortening your course run time. Just long enough to smooth and ease the edges.
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