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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 30, 2018 14:48:54 GMT -5
jamesp, there are lots of ways to wrap. Those can easily be done with the sculpting technique- though it doesn't seem in fashion now. It can also be done the way crystals and such are wrapped. It can be done with the "heady" wraps, too. But the heady wraps are so metal and labor intensive that I don't know how many will use glass. As far as border wrapping- like I do- I would use maybe 5 wires and make sure a square wire is centered at the highest point on the edge. It can definitely be done, but it would be a slippery job. So, for wire wrapping there are a lot of options. But, for solder setting I would think you'd want that straight edge. You could always do some straight ones, offer for border wrapping and solder/bezel setting and charge a little more. I wrapped one of my own glass cabs using the sculpted technique. 
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 14:59:34 GMT -5
jamesp , there are lots of ways to wrap. Those can easily be done with the sculpting technique- though it doesn't seem in fashion now. It can also be done the way crystals and such are wrapped. It can be done with the "heady" wraps, too. But the heady wraps are so metal and labor intensive that I don't know how many will use glass. As far as border wrapping- like I do- I would use maybe 5 wires and make sure a square wire is centered at the highest point on the edge. It can definitely be done, but it would be a slippery job. So, for wire wrapping there are a lot of options. But, for solder setting I would think you'd want that straight edge. You could always do some straight ones, offer for border wrapping and solder/bezel setting and charge a little more. I wrapped one of my own glass cabs using the sculpted technique. Tela you are just too good. That is beautiful |
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 30, 2018 15:24:54 GMT -5
jamesp , there are lots of ways to wrap. Those can easily be done with the sculpting technique- though it doesn't seem in fashion now. It can also be done the way crystals and such are wrapped. It can be done with the "heady" wraps, too. But the heady wraps are so metal and labor intensive that I don't know how many will use glass. As far as border wrapping- like I do- I would use maybe 5 wires and make sure a square wire is centered at the highest point on the edge. It can definitely be done, but it would be a slippery job. So, for wire wrapping there are a lot of options. But, for solder setting I would think you'd want that straight edge. You could always do some straight ones, offer for border wrapping and solder/bezel setting and charge a little more. I wrapped one of my own glass cabs using the sculpted technique. Tela you are just too good. That is beautiful Thank you! That form of wrapping is what I started with. I didn't do it for very long. The glass is borosilicate glass. It's really 3d in person. |
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Post by orrum on Mar 30, 2018 15:28:51 GMT -5
Jim two things...
First is that cold forge wire wrapping or as I term it, Hillbilly Wire Twisting would love those rounded edges.
Second, I make a lot of tumble cabs where I saw the preform out of slabs and trim with the blade as I go. Then straight into the Loto with 220sc, 500sc, 1000ao, polish.. The trick is I use a Harbor Freight 4.5 inch high speed tile saw. I use a high dollar 4 inch ceramic tile saw blade from Lowes. I have trim sawed several thousand preforms and am just now starting to wear the blade out.
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 30, 2018 15:57:26 GMT -5
I use a high dollar 4 inch ceramic tile saw blade from Lowes. Yep. The blade makes all the difference when it comes to chipping at the edges. There are blades made specifically for cutting glass tile. |
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 30, 2018 17:59:38 GMT -5
I sure would like some opinions on how easy or problematic these symmetrical radiused edge shapes would be for wire wrapping. The initial sawing and shaping is crude and heavily chipped, then tumbling is utilized to finish edges in mass. This process makes dead flat cabs so the tumbler has little choice but to arrive at consistent radiused edges. Flat OK ? Also, much of this glass is presentable from either side, so I also ask - does a typical wrap have a presentable front side and a back side ? Or is there a 'bezel' side ?   Silhouettes OK ? Most are free form. :  Thanks in advance for any criticism or suggestions. Jim, If you’ll save the elongated piece, last pic, 3rd from the right for me until I can stop by in a few weeks, maybe we can get those questions answered!!! I don’t think it will pose any problems. Such beautiful pieces. |
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Post by fernwood on Mar 30, 2018 19:10:30 GMT -5
Agree on the less rounded edges. I tried the "hillbilly" wrap on some, but all I had was round wire. Did not work out so good. I have another wrapping plan to try this weekend.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 19:34:02 GMT -5
Yes, it's what they use for stained glass. I've been seeing people use it for raw Crystal's. Found an old thread that it didn't work for polished stones very well. This is what I've done so far with a couple you sent. One side drilled no problem, the other side, up in smoke Need a new bit to try a few more    If it was the green glass Alison it has a metal layer. Lots of metal glitter in the middle layer with the green and white color. It is clad with non metal bearing glass layers on both sides. I say metal, they use all kinds of materials to generate color. You said you hit something from both sides. sure sounds like the middle layer. Maybe it plugged the diamond bit momentarily. Copper can sure plug up abrasives. Italian, it was a blown gourd  |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 19:46:18 GMT -5
It was a piece of clear, yellow and blue glass. One side drilled through easy so that's what confused me. Cannot see what would be in there to cause that
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 19:47:22 GMT -5
I use a high dollar 4 inch ceramic tile saw blade from Lowes. Yep. The blade makes all the difference when it comes to chipping at the edges. There are blades made specifically for cutting glass tile. Yes Bill, the edges would stay squared instead of radiused if skipping coarse and going on to 220 or 500. For radiused edges the chips don't matter, been using a coarse diamond tile saw blade. It has heavy chipping. speeds tumble lol.(really) For squared edge a glass blade would be required to reduce chipping. |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 19:50:29 GMT -5
It was a piece of clear, yellow and blue glass. One side drilled through easy so that's what confused me. Cannot see what would be in there to cause that Probably this glass. It has metal in middle layer too. also Italian. It's also bulletproof.  |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 19:53:00 GMT -5
MsAli can't even drill through 2mm glass lol.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 19:56:24 GMT -5
These have serious metal in them. Note my 8.7 ounce flame polished pendant. Pimp pendant. bottom ones just melted and ready to tumble.  over 1 inch thick, pimp pendant. Can be used in self defense  |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 20:08:00 GMT -5
Agree on the less rounded edges. I tried the "hillbilly" wrap on some, but all I had was round wire. Did not work out so good. I have another wrapping plan to try this weekend. Please show them fernwood. Can't wait to see what you come up with. MsAli came up with a fine wrap on the green glass with the coarse wire. Things have changed a lot since I sent you those unmelted shards. Am melting or at least slumping about everything to flatten. |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 30, 2018 20:09:55 GMT -5
Very nice Alison |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 21:19:19 GMT -5
It was a piece of clear, yellow and blue glass. One side drilled through easy so that's what confused me. Cannot see what would be in there to cause that Probably this glass. It has metal in middle layer too. also Italian. It's also bulletproof. That's the one! |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 30, 2018 21:20:07 GMT -5
MsAli can't even drill through 2mm glass lol.  Tis true Brat |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 31, 2018 5:55:49 GMT -5
MsAli can't even drill through 2mm glass lol. Tis true Brat You are making me concerned. About all this glass I have been working with has center layer additives. I need to find the chuck key for the foredom and do test holes !! By the way, that giant pimp pendant was part of a large broken sculpture. There was 4 of them. Got to thinking about it, it is no other than an ornament on a sculpture... |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 31, 2018 5:57:23 GMT -5
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 31, 2018 6:26:24 GMT -5
Jim, If you’ll save the elongated piece, last pic, 3rd from the right for me until I can stop by in a few weeks, maybe we can get those questions answered!!! I don’t think it will pose any problems. Such beautiful pieces. Would like to see the end result, that cab caught my eye also. |
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