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Post by MsAli on Jun 1, 2018 9:33:11 GMT -5
jamesp , when I used to belong to a rock club, about four or five years ago we had a speaker that gave a talk about obsidian, and artifacts made from it. Researchers knew all of the locations it was/is found in the Southwest, and could determine the origin of the obsidian by looking at the points. They had it dialed in! Native Americans would travel far and wide to get the materials they liked the best, didn't just settle for what was closest. It was a great presentation. Picked these up on a couple of acres at a small town near my home. I know where most of these materials came from. If any other color than white quartz for the most part they were brought in from over 100 miles in 4 directionsNESW. Diversity of materials rather amazing. The designs time stamp many of them. Looks to be a site used on and off for 6000 years. That's a long time. Great great great great great great(""""""""""""""") Grandfather probably handed down the locations of the stone. That is not possible in our new civilization. Plus they lived their every minute searching for materials and stomping thru the outdoors.  Those are amazing! Great collection to have Mn has quit a few areas where these are found, along with other artifacts. However, I have always been told they are not to be picked up and removed from the site. Sacred and all that stuff.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 1, 2018 10:45:45 GMT -5
Picked these up on a couple of acres at a small town near my home. I know where most of these materials came from. If any other color than white quartz for the most part they were brought in from over 100 miles in 4 directionsNESW. Diversity of materials rather amazing. The designs time stamp many of them. Looks to be a site used on and off for 6000 years. That's a long time. Great great great great great great(""""""""""""""") Grandfather probably handed down the locations of the stone. That is not possible in our new civilization. Plus they lived their every minute searching for materials and stomping thru the outdoors. Those are amazing! Great collection to have Mn has quit a few areas where these are found, along with other artifacts. However, I have always been told they are not to be picked up and removed from the site. Sacred and all that stuff.
"However, I have always been told they are not to be picked up and removed from the site. Sacred and all that stuff." There is an office park sitting on this very diverse site. I doubt the state archeologist has seen such lithic diversity at one camp. I could and should have called the state archeologist and had this construction site shut down for a long time. This is one site that should have been reported out of 100's I have collected at over the past 30 years. With all the construction sites around Atlanta artifacts can be collected 24/7. They never say anything about me trespassing so I keep my mouth shut. Plowed fields is the #2 collecting spots and there is not much reverence for artifacts there either. Snorkling in rivers #3, most of them washed out of the bank from probable scared sites. Mounds and sacred sights should be left alone. And the grave robbers should do time for molesting such. Me pretty much saving them from destruction or being packed into foundation soil around Atlanta. |
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Post by MsAli on Jun 1, 2018 10:49:16 GMT -5
I always had the mindset that collecting saves them from being buried under buildings
But then I'm also very superstitious and that side usually wins and I leave things sometimes as they are
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Post by jamesp on Jun 1, 2018 11:00:51 GMT -5
This is a new one. Lip scrap from 4 Asian vases of the same brand/glass nipped into small pieces to make a melt slab. Got to make me a little power nipper, hand has blister and is worn out. Laid in tray to estimate slab thickness after melt. 1/4 for cabs, 5/16 for making spearheads. I may go 5/16 so I can pay Stan some more slabs for an even trade for that spearhead he made. Can't wait to get hands on it. These were both hammered and nipped, mostly 1+ inch thick glass from the base of the vases. Hard glass. Low temp and flows well, clear sections are crystal clear after melt. Asian folks spending money and using virgin glass.     |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 1, 2018 11:05:36 GMT -5
I always had the mindset that collecting saves them from being buried under buildings But then I'm also very superstitious and that side usually wins and I leave things sometimes as they are Artifacts often get the bad end of the stick. I have collected in several farm fields where the farmer simply planted crops on the mound/s in his fields. Plowed right thru the graves. Teeth often found as our acid soil eats bones, sort of scary. They had nice gold fillings  . |
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Post by pizzano on Jun 1, 2018 11:56:06 GMT -5
jamesp , when I used to belong to a rock club, about four or five years ago we had a speaker that gave a talk about obsidian, and artifacts made from it. Researchers knew all of the locations it was/is found in the Southwest, and could determine the origin of the obsidian by looking at the points. They had it dialed in! Native Americans would travel far and wide to get the materials they liked the best, didn't just settle for what was closest. It was a great presentation. Picked these up on a couple of acres at a small town near my home. I know where most of these materials came from. If any other color than white quartz for the most part they were brought in from over 100 miles in 4 directionsNESW. Diversity of materials rather amazing. The designs time stamp many of them. Looks to be a site used on and off for 6000 years. That's a long time. Great great great great great great(""""""""""""""") Grandfather probably handed down the locations of the stone. That is not possible in our new civilization. Plus they lived their every minute searching for materials and stomping thru the outdoors. I've worked on three land development sites here in California in the past (as far back as 1981) where "artifacts" like arrowheads, pottery pieces and stone hand tools were found during the first stages of vegetation striping and rough grading was being performed........this, after environmental impact reports and surface explorations were previously processed, explored and approved..........as soon as ANY artifact was exposed, we were required to stop work, contact the permitting agency, who in turn, contacted the local Archaeologist, in our case a Resident Professional from the San Bernardino County Museum.
In two of the cases, the projects were halted and work did not continue for another 1.5yrs........eventually, everything discovered was collected, examined and no additional site limitations were imposed. The other site was closed down to never be developed when it was discovered that the location had been burial grounds for a local Native Band of Cahuilla's........and the Serrano's had used the site for ceremonial purposes..........It is located along the west bank of the Lytle Creek - Santa Anna River corridor near Rialto, CA.........The team I was working with were eventually hired to re-survey the entire location in order to more accurately establish the boundaries and condemn it from future harassment........Why it was never identified in the original Impact Report is still a mystery.........seems the developer got the project approved some years before the County had established a working relationship with the Serrano Band overseers. Prior to that, records of most Cahuilla tribes (today, only the Serrano's have accurate knowledge of Cahuilla history) were stuffed away in some archives at the County Museum.
Needless to say........finding any type of verifiable artifact in this part of the Country will instantly send up a red flag......even those harmlessly collected by naïve and uninformed rockhounds......many who remain silent about their finds.....!
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Post by jamesp on Jun 1, 2018 14:56:35 GMT -5
Picked these up on a couple of acres at a small town near my home. I know where most of these materials came from. If any other color than white quartz for the most part they were brought in from over 100 miles in 4 directionsNESW. Diversity of materials rather amazing. The designs time stamp many of them. Looks to be a site used on and off for 6000 years. That's a long time. Great great great great great great(""""""""""""""") Grandfather probably handed down the locations of the stone. That is not possible in our new civilization. Plus they lived their every minute searching for materials and stomping thru the outdoors. I've worked on three land development sites here in California in the past (as far back as 1981) where "artifacts" like arrowheads, pottery pieces and stone hand tools were found during the first stages of vegetation striping and rough grading was being performed........this, after environmental impact reports and surface explorations were previously processed, explored and approved..........as soon as ANY artifact was exposed, we were required to stop work, contact the permitting agency, who in turn, contacted the local Archaeologist, in our case a Resident Professional from the San Bernardino County Museum.
In two of the cases, the projects were halted and work did not continue for another 1.5yrs........eventually, everything discovered was collected, examined and no additional site limitations were imposed. The other site was closed down to never be developed when it was discovered that the location had been burial grounds for a local Native Band of Cahuilla's........and the Serrano's had used the site for ceremonial purposes..........It is located along the west bank of the Lytle Creek - Santa Anna River corridor near Rialto, CA.........The team I was working with were eventually hired to re-survey the entire location in order to more accurately establish the boundaries and condemn it from future harassment........Why it was never identified in the original Impact Report is still a mystery.........seems the developer got the project approved some years before the County had established a working relationship with the Serrano Band overseers. Prior to that, records of most Cahuilla tribes (today, only the Serrano's have accurate knowledge of Cahuilla history) were stuffed away in some archives at the County Museum.
Needless to say........finding any type of verifiable artifact in this part of the Country will instantly send up a red flag......even those harmlessly collected by naïve and uninformed rockhounds......many who remain silent about their finds.....!
Georgia is quite lax about artifacts. California probably strict as it gets, what a mess. Especially with existing Native populations. A high percentage of this state's land was in cultivation long before our government had any concern about artifacts. Heavy disturbances. The Native population was relocated west. Artifacts never became a serious priority and wildlife management rarely enforces collecting. The state is well aware site disturbance occurs with most developments. Progress supersedes damages. Occasionally construction is halted. Florida is another story. They are totally strict about collecting. |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 2, 2018 9:50:18 GMT -5
melt slab of Asian vase chunks came out this morning. Darn Asian glass flows so well and has nary a bubble in it. Dead clear. Even fuse polished well. toward heat  bottom side  pendants ready for tumbler in natural and artificial:   And a big score in the 'LIPS' department. 2 new vases !!! Repeatability !!! Getting the lips dialed in and big victory. Very sensitive to cold work(lapper ground) angles and saw blade coarseness. The lips on the bottom row were on the hotter top shelf, notice how the orange glass boiled a bit. tricky tricky  |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 2, 2018 21:14:43 GMT -5
And a big score in the 'LIPS' department. 2 new vases !!! Repeatability !!! Getting the lips dialed in and big victory. Very sensitive to cold work(lapper ground) angles and saw blade coarseness. The lips on the bottom row were on the hotter top shelf, notice how the orange glass boiled a bit. tricky tricky jamesp You made chapped lips!  |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 5:48:14 GMT -5
And a big score in the 'LIPS' department. 2 new vases !!! Repeatability !!! Getting the lips dialed in and big victory. Very sensitive to cold work(lapper ground) angles and saw blade coarseness. The lips on the bottom row were on the hotter top shelf, notice how the orange glass boiled a bit. tricky tricky jamesp You made chapped lips! Best description lol, raw(literally)talent ? Believe there was some fever blisters too. Don't forget the cleft palates ! No end to the categories Robin ! |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 8:17:48 GMT -5
Etsy search strategy is working out. Need to bail and string some lips and get them on Etsy. I am not listing jewelry on Etsy if my listings do not come up on the frontal pages(1,2,3,4) Well it looks like that issue has been solved. Been tuning "lips jewelry" SEO on Etsy search engine using a dummy listing - amazed - landed on first page of 14,455 items and very pleased. I applied Etsy app 'Marmalead' that costs money to have but sure seems to work. For example, 'fire pit' is #1 search term for fire pits. This morning I had unheard of 7 fire pits on the first page of 75 pages doing 'fire pit' search using Marmalead SEO strategy. I don't think a $20,000 website would out do my exposure of being on first page of Etsy. A moron can sell garbage with that kind of exposure. Screen shots of page 1 "lips jewelry"  I am 'coming soon'. $50 is too high priced, more like $20 or $25.  |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 3, 2018 8:26:51 GMT -5
Your latest lips photos got me thinking. Try looking at them in the vertical position. What do you see? Not sharing what I see, but another option for those not into lips.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 8:54:04 GMT -5
Your latest lips photos got me thinking. Try looking at them in the vertical position. What do you see? Not sharing what I see, but another option for those not into lips. Ha ! May let the imaginations of others flow in the wind Beth. Conservative Georgia boy is sticking with adjective 'lips'. Too shy to go with the alternative lol. I did look into the other and surprisingly there was not a large population of items there. Even on liberated Etsy. Lips quite popular at 14,000 items. For peace of mind hiding out there. I could visit the 'head' shops in Atlanta and probably get interest. My Mom would roll over in her grave....send lightning. She was a force though very loving and nurturing lady I have had some melts go wrong that could only be described(rated) by a long string of capital 'X's. Making mouth lips is a great challenge and perfect for small scale pendant melts. I would attempt eyes but figure they may be too much a challenge. I would like to visit a glass eye manufacturing facility though. |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 3, 2018 9:15:50 GMT -5
Hey, my mind is not being dirty, lol. What I see is from nature. Creatures and plants, depending on color combos. I live near one of the best Natural Resources Colleges in the world.
Feel free to send any rejects my way as I can transform them from XXXXXXX.... to beauty.
The eyes are interesting. Many of the new doll eyes being made as replacements for 1800's dolls are very real looking. In some cases they are human eye replacement rejects. Kind of takes away from the vintage feel. Yes, I have a few very scarce dolls that belonged to my ancestors. One has damaged eyes, another one missing them. A couple are scratched or broken. They range from 28" tall (unheard of for the time for people with limited income), to 12".
Keep being creative and thinking outside of the norm.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 10:03:48 GMT -5
Hey, my mind is not being dirty, lol. What I see is from nature. Creatures and plants, depending on color combos. I live near one of the best Natural Resources Colleges in the world. Feel free to send any rejects my way as I can transform them from XXXXXXX.... to beauty. The eyes are interesting. Many of the new doll eyes being made as replacements for 1800's dolls are very real looking. In some cases they are human eye replacement rejects. Kind of takes away from the vintage feel. Yes, I have a few very scarce dolls that belonged to my ancestors. One has damaged eyes, another one missing them. A couple are scratched or broken. They range from 28" tall (unheard of for the time for people with limited income), to 12". Keep being creative and thinking outside of the norm. There has been past discussion regarding the lips and their natural similarities. I was lmao. They are a capturing and an amusing subject from several aspects which is motivating to make them. My sister's collection of vintage doll eyes always mesmerized me. Remembering this as a kid. And have found a few glass eyes in shops around Atlanta and found them interesting works of art and bit spooky. You have knowledge on this subject, interesting. heirlooms missing parts is a concern. Good luck finding replacements. Another source of glass eyes is the taxidermy trade and they are some fine ones. People make pendants out of them. |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 10:12:34 GMT -5
A few of the reactive pendants coming down the chute. Folks liked them. Have not experimented with it yet.   Wife forced a date last night to Nuevo Laredo for Mexican food. Big movie star hole in wall hang out in down town. Stopped by a shop and scored a $12 bamboo Asian blown vase.  |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 3, 2018 10:19:15 GMT -5
Amazing. To me these are your most beautiful creations to date. This is a photo I am saving just to look at over and over. You have achieved replicating some rocks with glass! I see picture jasper. Ocean Jasper, Bricciated Jasper and others.
PS. Also working on a style of bail made from cotton/hemp that compliments the glass pendant. Not quite done yet, but will post when it is. I found a lot of cotton/hemp cord on clearance that complimented your glass, so purchased it. Spent about $4.00 for 50 yards. It also compliments a lot of the cabs I have and the guitar picks.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2018 11:05:16 GMT -5
Amazing. To me these are your most beautiful creations to date. This is a photo I am saving just to look at over and over. You have achieved replicating some rocks with glass! I see picture jasper. Ocean Jasper, Bricciated Jasper and others. PS. Also working on a style of bail made from cotton/hemp that compliments the glass pendant. Not quite done yet, but will post when it is. I found a lot of cotton/hemp cord on clearance that complimented your glass, so purchased it. Spent about $4.00 for 50 yards. It also compliments a lot of the cabs I have and the guitar picks. Most of the replications seem to be patterns in the glass blower's scraps. Their process can simulate agates in a jiffy. Your post of the green and white stone with the matching cords turned on a light. Colored coordinated cord is to me a great idea. The public may have their own ideas. Our opinion verses theirs often differs, strange that phenom. One of the categories segregating the glass into cubicles is color. Cords of at least 10 different colors would be a great start. Inexpensive way to go too. Got that one in mind. The reactive has to be the most liked. They blow my mind. And they are fused with random stuff which adds to fun factor. All it would take is 2 sheets of clear fusing glass and the bits to spread between them. The list of want to do's gets longer and longer but the reactive glass is most tempting. I would not discount making bails out of cord and leather. That is a great idea too. Curious to see what you come up with. I tell the cashiers when buying vases I am going to smash them to make jewelry out of them. I often give them a few but they need bails. About 8 out of 10 times they ask for a website. Motivating me to see how they do at a festival in person. Sitting for long hours is a challenge. If I had ladies drooling over the jewelry.... i wish the city would allow us to have little street sales. Like 4 hours on Saturday morning. I am very fond of your ideas. Perfectly marketable. Especially with the younger than me ha group. |
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Post by quartz on Jun 3, 2018 22:31:22 GMT -5
After doing 4 sales a couple years ago, I can safely say you will likely not sit near as much as you are thinking. I thought the same thing, near to the point of dread. Learned quickly the interacting with potential customers kept me real busy.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 3, 2018 23:46:17 GMT -5
I really like the reactive glass a lot. You should definitely get that part going if you can. Lots of people (including me) are attracted to metallics. Those cabs are awesome and I would be hard pressed to pick out just one as my favorite (another reason I also liked that Greek glass you had). Those cabs have texture in them for your eyes. They may be smooth to the touch, but my brain says texture!
We have a show on the square coming up next weekend. We do 2 a year in the booth our club has on the square. They are 2 day affairs. At some point this week I have to find time to glue some bails on some of the cabs you sent so we can put them out. Bought sterling bails and some rubber cord necklaces with sterling clasps. I'll let you know how they do. They will be the less expensive alternative to my other sterling pendants which are wire wrapped or silversmithed. Then we have our big club show the first weekend in August. That's a 3 day extravaganza. We are always totally exhausted at the end of each of them, but that 3 day show is a killer. I don't know how the people who do the craft show circuits do it. It's a ton of work.
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