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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2018 4:13:18 GMT -5
MsAli hummingbirdstones fernwoodThe glass in the first one I consider superior to a brick because it was a melt slab about 16 inches round and 5/16 to 3/8 thick. As opposed to the problems of a melt brick a melt slab is thin and gets lots of heat bonding the glass better, thin too so the bubbles rise out. I can stack 4-5 shelves in the kiln and get just as much melt slab glass done as the one shelf of bricks. However the wild patterns are greatly reduced. But perhaps more important is the flake-ability, and Shawn said he could probably send flakes all the way across that wider first one. The melt slab may always be the superior flaking glass allowing the longest and thinest most impressive points. But you know how men are, they got to have the pretty one....often willing to wrestle with the added baggage he he. The first one is my favorite, hands down. He has not finished the base. He wants more melt slab. Looks like i'll own more of his points. I did a sampling post on 'Fused Glass Fanatics' to see how one of my bricks rated with the glass art community. Up 22 hours and over 160 likes, that is unusual. So maybe I have even impressed the real glass artists.  Also doing a brick of 'dark green adventurine sparkle' with 'neon tennis ball yellow/green' for a leopard frog's skin mimic. Color should scream frog skin. Gotta do some nature colors for the knappers. This load of glass eat up with green/browns/ambers of every tone for killer camo and nature colors. Another weapon to unleash. Greens labeled---> forest-grass-spring-dark-light-opaque light-opaque dark to name some plus green transition blues and transition yellows. A whole array of browns and ambers.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2018 4:42:40 GMT -5
fernwood, a monster created. I have so much colored fusible glass. I calculated enough to do a 16 pound melt brick every day for 3 years. That is a $100 worth of raw material every day. I need an army to nip and stack glass to forms. I will be shopping for one of the giant kilns that sell cheap, they are hard to sell as opposed to a small table top for the hobbyist. No one wants to wrestle moving them. I have a 200 amp panel in the barn where the glass is stored.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2018 5:32:22 GMT -5
Mike Hiatt of Klamath Falls, Oregon has a boo boo. Happens. The save looks great. Mike likes to work gl;ass.   |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 21, 2018 5:48:11 GMT -5
Nice save.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2018 8:31:58 GMT -5
This too is melt slab and not brick, however the glass was stacked vertical like long sandwich on edge, laid over at angle, then melted Result was extreme stretching and reduced their individual thicknesses and came close to making Fordite glass. So he is flaking thru many thin layers of different colors in essence, retarding his flake travel. |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jul 21, 2018 9:00:49 GMT -5
Nice save, indeed. No way to know that's a save without seeing that first picture.
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Post by Pat on Jul 21, 2018 9:38:41 GMT -5
jamesp every time I check in on you, I see more and more experiments that result in more and more pretties! Wow! Thanks!
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2018 4:58:54 GMT -5
Nice save, indeed. No way to know that's a save without seeing that first picture. If the break was jagged I would blame defective glass more so. Being so straight it is probable that Mike hit the glass too hard. I discovered some of the cobalt blue transparent glass was exuding a white powder at melt. It created a no-bond layer in sections of the melt brick, the deadly weak spot. A 20 color melt in brick form is an invitation for a defect. It is actually a miracle that 20 colors of glass can be melted together in brick arrangement without issue. Telling that this is some totally high quality glass. I went to a knap-in yesterday. About 20 attending. Handed out glass samples. Next month I will bring them each about four 6 inch slabs of wide variety color/pattern and hand them out for free. They will be posting glass points for 2 months on about 6 different knapping forums. They knew of one other glass artist in the nation producing knap glass... They have commissioned me to make red and white stripes with a blue corner = US flag and some big money. Host has it every month. He has an entire 1500 sq ft barn full of our agates and obsidians for sale to knappers. 18 year old pile of chips dumped in the wood behind the house. Like dump truck loads. Talk about some fine tumbles... I suppose I need to start bringing truck loads of them home, he wants them gone. Scrap stuff just finds me. 3 more bricks in the kiln, 3 days old and finally cooled down. Will chunk them on the saw today. Easily enough for 70 - 6 inch spearhead slabs. Will start another today. |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 22, 2018 5:02:12 GMT -5
How large is an 18 year old chip pile? Yes, I see some chippy tumbles in your future.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2018 5:13:34 GMT -5
jamesp every time I check in on you, I see more and more experiments that result in more and more pretties! Wow! Thanks! Sorta been put out to pasture being semi retired recently. Got too much time to tinker Pat. One of the largest art glass distributers was tossing tons of discontinued glass. They about gave it to me if I would haul it off so that is what I did ! This glass should keep me occupied for years. The biggest problem is it changes color after heating it. Over 40 colors that change to new colors after melting, mind blowing. They have a color chart before and after, problem is that most of the colors are not on the color chart he he. Unopened 1400 pound crates of mysterious glass plates in too many colors. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2018 5:22:20 GMT -5
How large is an 18 year old chip pile? Yes, I see some chippy tumbles in your future. Well yesterday there was about 15 out of 20 people sitting around in a circle breaking and chipping rock on lap boards. Dave said he used to have double the amount of people. After about 6 hours there must have been two 5 gallon buckets of fine rock waste on the floor. Every month for 18 years not including other events. That works out to 432 - 5 gallon buckets. That works out to 12 cubic yards at about 2800 pounds/cubic yard. 32,000 pounds of chips. Enough to pave a driveway... |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 22, 2018 5:40:09 GMT -5
That would be an amazing driveway.
Are you making a reference chart for how certain colors of glass change after firing? Or, is that info tucked away in the inner parts of your brain?
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Post by Pat on Jul 22, 2018 8:35:48 GMT -5
jamesp every time I check in on you, I see more and more experiments that result in more and more pretties! Wow! Thanks! Sorta been put out to pasture being semi retired recently. Got too much time to tinker Pat. One of the largest art glass distributers was tossing tons of discontinued glass. They about gave it to me if I would haul it off so that is what I did ! This glass should keep me occupied for years. The biggest problem is it changes color after heating it. Over 40 colors that change to new colors after melting, mind blowing. They have a color chart before and after, problem is that most of the colors are not on the color chart he he. Unopened 1400 pound crates of mysterious glass plates in too many colors. Odd about the color change. You already know that heating rocks changes their color. Interesting that your first batches didn't change color when you put them in the kiln. You were lucky they "about gave it to me". That's how I got the complete faceting setup. It was either take it, or it would go to the dump! Unbelievable! Thanks for posting all your experiments. I love to see progress. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2018 9:21:49 GMT -5
That would be an amazing driveway. Are you making a reference chart for how certain colors of glass change after firing? Or, is that info tucked away in the inner parts of your brain? NOT the brain, too much CRS Beth. Yep, working on a booklet with clear pockets like coin collectors use to display their coins. A piece of melt and a piece of no melt. Plus a slice off of each melt brick tumble polished in a photo of the brick before melt. Brick Glass placement before melt is the complicated one, do record photographically. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2018 9:28:35 GMT -5
Sorta been put out to pasture being semi retired recently. Got too much time to tinker Pat. One of the largest art glass distributers was tossing tons of discontinued glass. They about gave it to me if I would haul it off so that is what I did ! This glass should keep me occupied for years. The biggest problem is it changes color after heating it. Over 40 colors that change to new colors after melting, mind blowing. They have a color chart before and after, problem is that most of the colors are not on the color chart he he. Unopened 1400 pound crates of mysterious glass plates in too many colors. Odd about the color change. You already know that heating rocks changes their color. Interesting that your first batches didn't change color when you put them in the kiln. You were lucky they "about gave it to me". That's how I got the complete faceting setup. It was either take it, or it would go to the dump! Unbelievable! Thanks for posting all your experiments. I love to see progress. The glass must be broken to smalls from a sheet. Then nipped to desired sized shards. Then washed extremely well to remove coatings/labels. Then put in Dollar Store stainless colanders on stove to dry.(bought 80 for $80 and love them) Well the yellows and greens change to orange color just being on stove top, but change back when cooled. Electric stove set just before eyes turn orange, whatever that temp may be. If a single sheet of glass has contaminants the whole melt brick can get a full crack, so not friendly about having contaminants. |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 22, 2018 10:11:01 GMT -5
That would be an amazing driveway. Are you making a reference chart for how certain colors of glass change after firing? Or, is that info tucked away in the inner parts of your brain? NOT the brain, too much CRS Beth. Yep, working on a booklet with clear pockets like coin collectors use to display their coins. A piece of melt and a piece of no melt. Plus a slice off of each melt brick tumble polished in a photo of the brick before melt. Brick Glass placement before melt is the complicated one, do record photographically. Great minds think alike. That was exactly what I was envisioning. I prefer an actual item to notes about it or photos. My brain went to baseball card sleeves, divided in haff. After all, a bird in the hand is worth a hundred photos. CAn see where good photos of the melts would come in handy. Who knows, next up I envision on seeing a post about your elaborate, home made, portable photography tent, with color correct lighting which is placed over the kiln before firing. Oh, and the camera will be mounted on a tripod, lol. |
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Post by quartz on Jul 22, 2018 22:49:24 GMT -5
What kind of tires does a person need to use if traversing a driveway paved with glass? Sure would be pretty to look at though.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 23, 2018 2:31:13 GMT -5
What kind of tires does a person need to use if traversing a driveway paved with glass? Sure would be pretty to look at though. Same ones you need for glass butte? |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 23, 2018 3:56:42 GMT -5
NOT the brain, too much CRS Beth. Yep, working on a booklet with clear pockets like coin collectors use to display their coins. A piece of melt and a piece of no melt. Plus a slice off of each melt brick tumble polished in a photo of the brick before melt. Brick Glass placement before melt is the complicated one, do record photographically. Great minds think alike. That was exactly what I was envisioning. I prefer an actual item to notes about it or photos. My brain went to baseball card sleeves, divided in haff. After all, a bird in the hand is worth a hundred photos. CAn see where good photos of the melts would come in handy. Who knows, next up I envision on seeing a post about your elaborate, home made, portable photography tent, with color correct lighting which is placed over the kiln before firing. Oh, and the camera will be mounted on a tripod, lol. A bold pure white LED spot light is mounted directly over the kiln Beth. Just for the reason you mention. I keep all the 'secret' photos on an iPad and don't post them to photo host site. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 23, 2018 3:58:08 GMT -5
What kind of tires does a person need to use if traversing a driveway paved with glass? Sure would be pretty to look at though. Been filling the pot holes in the dirt driveway with crushed waste glass, sure sparkles a lot. |
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