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Post by beefjello on Jun 29, 2018 20:28:31 GMT -5
Found these at a yard sale awhile back. They are very uniform in size and their facets. Wondering if anyone has come across stuff like this? All sides are 'frosty' looking with similar cut marks, but the faceted ends are super clear.. The have very faint markings on one side.. here's what I can make out.. SARP_ _ _ _ S X SURFACE then a series of random numbers and letters ending in 060177 which I believe may be the production date? (06/01/1977) Maybe produced for the science community or lapidary? Anyone know??
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 29, 2018 21:15:17 GMT -5
Absolutely no idea, but they're cool!
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Post by Pat on Jun 29, 2018 21:27:17 GMT -5
Neat! I would have bought them, too! Are you going to experiment with one of them?
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Post by orrum on Jun 30, 2018 5:59:53 GMT -5
I have used a glass made for spaceships and aviation that substitutes for optical quartz when doing opal doublets. I have only seen it in thin slices.
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Post by fernwood on Jun 30, 2018 8:53:44 GMT -5
That sort of looks like imperfect optical quartz to me. Appears someone started a project with it, then gave up. Wondering if the adaptions to the edges was what they did. Looking at the possible manufacture date, a lot of possibilities. I can try to PS the photo of letters/numbers to make out the rest of the wording, then repost here.
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Post by victor1941 on Jun 30, 2018 17:00:18 GMT -5
I believe that the pieces you show are used in the computer industry. I have bought what I believe are similar pieces and slabbed them for quartz caps. The pieces had a thin veil running along the center that I was told is the starting point for deposition.
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Post by gemfeller on Jun 30, 2018 18:31:25 GMT -5
They were probably grown for the microchip industry. Try polishing one of the opaque areas to see if it makes a "window" into a clear interior. If it does you will have some very nice optical quartz for capping doublets and triplets. The stuff is pretty expensive these days so you may have lucked into a deal.
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Post by fernwood on Jul 1, 2018 3:21:57 GMT -5
Here's my PS darkening, if it helps anyone. Seems like SARP manufactured Quartz for the Gov.
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Post by MsAli on Jul 1, 2018 6:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by metalsmith on Jul 1, 2018 6:40:32 GMT -5
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Post by fernwood on Jul 1, 2018 7:05:41 GMT -5
Yes, I could not sleep due to heat, so was researching this. Thanks for posting the links. I found 4 Govt. documents (unclassified) on the properties and potential uses of SARP cultured Quartz. The earliest was from the 1960's.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 1, 2018 11:12:59 GMT -5
Looks totally expensive and space age. Real cool find. May have found a salvage supplier. Great photos and described in layman's terms beefjello, they sell for about $100,000 each. www.taleendtreasures.com/ClearQuartzWand.html" The lab-grown Quartz are just like natures own. They are made up of the same chemicals, are the same physically, and have the same clearness or optical properties. The process is basically duplicating nature, using high pressure, high temperature, actual pieces of natural quartz as seeds and a solution that creates the created quartz. Because of the controls in the growing conditions this synthetic quartz will have fewer, if any, flaws or inclusions compared to the natural stones. The Synthetic Quartz will have the same chemical structure as the natural stone. Simulated or Simulants as some call them, do not have the same material as the natural stones, usually cheap materials that will only allow the created stone to look like the natural stone." Just kidding about the $100,000 beefjello ha ha ho ho Great tumbling stock
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Post by fernwood on Jul 1, 2018 14:54:28 GMT -5
jamesp You are such a tease. Great info you provided, other than the price.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 1, 2018 16:00:47 GMT -5
jamesp You are such a tease. Great info you provided, other than the price. Indeed, landed on a great site and it was derived from clicking on a link attached to a google image's image. The images all looked like Brian's find except they were not sawn. That company must have gotten surplus stock of them, certain they cost a whole bunch more than $38 to make. More like $38/gram which may come close to the original cost to make them. He he. I should have left out the rebuttal. The spearhead knappers would sure like to het their hands on those.
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Post by beefjello on Jul 1, 2018 16:29:31 GMT -5
beefjello , they sell for about $100,000 each. Holy sh!t I'm rich.. I'M RICH!!! Just kidding about the $100,000 beefjello ha ha ho
Oh you scoundrel you!
Heh
Hey thanks for all the sleuthing everyone! I found an old post by bobby1 showing some synthetic quartz he had access to..
forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/57471/optical-quartz
Mine look like the medium size bars but only shaved down on all sides.
Speaking of which I picked up some stuff from an estate years ago that looks just like what Bob posted, with the 'botryoidal' surfaces.. only mine was already cut into slices:
This shows the ends where the metal parts were
And compared to some natural stuff from Brazil
Thanks again for all the information.. you guys 'n gals rock!
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Post by jamesp on Jul 1, 2018 17:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by 1dave on Jul 1, 2018 23:32:48 GMT -5
My younger brothers worked for Texas Instruments back in the day and were friends with all the big shots.
I toured the plant with them and watched the huge crystals being grown. They often sent me pieces of this stuff that were discarded, slices with transistors etched on them, etc. At one point I purchased a large flour bag full of fist sized chunks of Brazilian Optical quartz and slices cut for oscillators. I made a lot of triplets out of them. No longer remember what happened to most of it, still run into a few chunks in boxes from time to time. spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/silicon-revolution/the-lost-history-of-the-transistorPhoto: Texas Instruments (Teal, Shepherd, and Transistor); Morris Tanenbaum More on site. Photos: Left: Lucent Technologies Inc./Bell Labs; Right: Texas Instruments
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Post by metalsmith on Jul 5, 2018 1:26:31 GMT -5
I'm sure it would cab but would it facet? More valuable as facet rough if not quite $10k
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Post by bobby1 on Jul 5, 2018 11:06:17 GMT -5
I use a lot of this synthetic quartz for doublets. I get it from a guy who had a rock shop in Mountain View, CA (Silicon Valley) They are rejects from the manufacturing of quartz for the electronics industry. His ebay sales site is lewisroberth. Google lab grown quartz crystals. They are grown from slices across the long axis on quartz crystals. Natural quartz grows faster in the vertical direction so that is why they slice it across that direction and use the slice as the seed crystal. If you look at the ends of the crystal bars you will see the six crystal faces typical of quartz crystals. These lab grown crystals come s big as 1-1/2" thick 6" wide and 8" long. Bob
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