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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 13, 2004 23:32:42 GMT -5
Hi all, I would like to know if any of you use glue/epoxy/cement to apply bezels as opposed to drilling or wire wrapping. I can't afford a drill press set up right now (I'll talk to Santa) and I don't really want to start wrapping at this point as I'd like to start with gold wire and can't afford that either. But if I could permenantly cement some things together I could have some done by Christmas. Anybody do that kind of thing? Thanks for your help,
cookie
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Post by sandsman1 on Jul 13, 2004 23:43:00 GMT -5
cookie i have never tried to glue stuff but if i was just gonna glue something i would use a two part epoxy i have seen some on craft sites ill look and see if i can find some and post it for you
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Banjocreek
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Post by Banjocreek on Jul 13, 2004 23:49:56 GMT -5
I've heard of a product called 'Hot Stuff', that I think MichiganRocks has used. I'm not real sure, but it might be worth sending him an 'IM'. I have used Contact Cement, and it has lasted for a pretty long time, but I doubt if it is the adhesive of choice among jewelers.
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Djinjuice
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Post by Djinjuice on Jul 13, 2004 23:56:27 GMT -5
Good question Cookie, I was curious about that too. I have such an abundance of amethyst and I was thinking about making a table top with it like they do with tile pieces (having a brain fart, can't remember the word for it ;D). I suppose I could set the stones in grout, but would it take the polish off? Hmmm...
Janelle
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llanago
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Post by llanago on Jul 13, 2004 23:59:36 GMT -5
Cookie, I bought some epoxy at the rock show that is for "bonding gem materials to metal findings. Is also used for invisible bonding of glass, china, ceramics, stone, metals and other non-porous materials." So says the label. It's called Epoxy 330 It's a two part epoxy and the guy at the rock show said it's really good stuff.
I haven't used it yet. In fact, I forgot I even had it until I was rumaging through the cabinet where I keep all my crafts stuff and found it.
I also use Crafters GOOP. It's some serious glue, but I don't know how it would do adhering to metals.
llana
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Post by sandsman1 on Jul 14, 2004 0:01:04 GMT -5
here see if any of this sounds good to you theres one there thats called 330 epoxy,, i prob would try that first this is where i got the glue for after i drill a hole i dip the finding in it and set and let dry over nite www.jewelrysupply.com/EJS/glues.htm
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Post by sandsman1 on Jul 14, 2004 0:03:37 GMT -5
janelle take alook at this they use it for coating table tops you can prob find same kinda stuff cheaper somewear liquidglasscoating.com/
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 14, 2004 0:21:32 GMT -5
Thanks all, Epoxy 330 and a 2 part epoxy sound like the best bet. Nooww... I will be on a quest to find em (I live in the Major boonies ) cookie
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llanago
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Post by llanago on Jul 14, 2004 0:23:07 GMT -5
Janelle, one of these days I am going to do a mosiac tabletop or something with my polished stones. I have seen mosiac tabletops, stepping stones and all kinds of stuff done with glass, ceramic, just plain rock but never with polished stones. BE made some mosiac crosses using polished stones and a product called EnviroTex Lite pour on high gloss finish. The EnviroTex we got at a True Value Hardware Store. There is also a product called Castin' Craft. It's a clear liquid plastic casting resin. I got it at Hometown Crafts and I would imagine most good craft stores have it. If not, here's a link www.eti-usa.com/consum/castresn/castresn.htmI think with really nicie polished stones, this kind of stuff would be better than mortar because it's clear - but it's not outside type stuff. Would have to use mortar for that. llana
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Post by docone31 on Jul 14, 2004 1:03:49 GMT -5
At home depot, Ace, True Value stores is a product called pool epoxy. This is a commercial epoxy, undiluted, with a very slow cure time. It is used for laying pebbles around a pool. If a mosaic table is being made, the epoxy is spread on the area to be mosaiced, like that(?) and the stones placed in their respective positions. Any epoxy that gets on top of the stones can be removed with alcohol before it is fully cured. With epoxy for individual findings, either 2 ton, or 24hr. cure epoxy will do the trick. The five minute, or quick cure epoxies have too many fillers to retain their grip, even though the ultimate weight of a stone on a pendant cap is nominal. Thus spake Zarathustra!
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Post by krazydiamond on Jul 14, 2004 7:59:47 GMT -5
Epoxy 330 is what i use, too...great stuff.
KD
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bschultz
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Post by bschultz on Jul 14, 2004 9:02:33 GMT -5
Epoxy 330 should work just fine. Clean your stone and whatever you are glueing to it with acetone or some other non-residue degreaser. Another good tip to make things go a little easier, get a block of styrofoam and push your stones into it so they are lined up and you don't have to hold the stone and your finding. Keeps you from having that - I need three hands feeling. This works really well with bell caps.
Bob
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Post by hermatite on Jul 14, 2004 9:31:39 GMT -5
great advice on the styrofoam...I'd have never thought of that even though now it seems so obvious. And thanks for the thread cookie...I've long been considering gluing stones into findings too. I'm mega allergic to whatever kind of two stage epoxy my husband uses for fibreglassing his boats. Does anyone know if the 330 has a really strong smell? That's usually an indication to me that I should steer clear.
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aquababie19
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Post by aquababie19 on Jul 14, 2004 10:51:11 GMT -5
that epoxy 330 looks pretty good. i might have to get me a tube.
cookie try looking on ebay for your drill press. i got mine there for less than the retail. i looked yesterday and they had atleast 7 on bid. i also got my drill on there too. i am ready to roll ladies and gent s:)
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Post by krazydiamond on Jul 14, 2004 19:07:18 GMT -5
herm, no smell as far as my nose can tell.....tho i tend to think some smells are good when everyone else thinks they stink...(i think 2-stroke exhaust is rather invigorating, for example, and laquer thinner is kind of nice as well)....
so don't take my word for ir, but i didn't detect much of an odor with the 330. what i also do just to give it a little grip, is i dremel the stone a little to rough it up where i want the stone and finding to meet.
KD
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 14, 2004 20:30:23 GMT -5
Sold my dremel years ago. Now I simply MUST have one ;D
cookie
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Post by docone31 on Jul 14, 2004 20:37:16 GMT -5
Get rid of the Dremel. Harbor Freight and Salvage has an imported power head that is identical to, and takes Foredom tools. It costs about 80$, comes with a foot pedal, and the foredom shaft press, hammer head, and wax mill all fit it. I have one, and it is slower than the Foredom by 500rpm, however it will take the Foredom speed up head for diamond tools. The tool is great. It has a 1/4" Jaobs chuck, 1" handpiece, is silent and works. Try it, you like it.
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aquababie19
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Post by aquababie19 on Jul 21, 2004 17:07:14 GMT -5
well my dremel came in from ebay two days ago! i drilled my first rock the same night. it's so lovely! i'll post pics when i get a chance.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 21, 2004 18:54:36 GMT -5
Thanks Doc, but I won a "Dremel like" tool on ebay and it should be here any day. For $25.00 with shipping, I'm not expecting too much, but if it will help me shape and drill just a little I'll be happy. It takes Dremel attatchments and wil come with some bits, though I won't have a clue what they are. Maybe I can do my nails with it anyway cookie
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Post by connrock on Jul 21, 2004 19:33:33 GMT -5
cookie,,,
If your going to pre-form your rocks before tumbling a Dremel isn't the tool for it nor is any other rotary/flex shaft tool.
If you're going to just touch up the edges it might be OK but it will take you forever to get the concave areas out and you'll need a ton of diamond burrs as well.
I have pre-formed several batches of rocks but I use a 6" 80 grit diamond wheel on my Genie.Even then it takes a LONG time to get the rocks prepaired for tumbling.
Now I am talking about pre-forming 12 - 15 lb loads so if you are only doing ,,,lets say a max of 4 lbs it might work for you but even then it's a LOT of time,work and burrs.
Another point abut the Dremel or Dremel Like Flex shaft units is the hand piece gets very warm and uncomfortable if you use it for long periods of time.
I say this because my first carvings were done with a Dremel/flex shaft (which I still have) and that's what forced me to buy a Foredom unit.
I hope i'm NOT coming off like a know-it-all and PLEASE understand that i'm just trying to save you the time,money and aggravation <(spell check PLEASE) that I went through.
In my opinion,,,the Dremel and or Dremel Like units are very good units but they're not for pre-forming your rocks.
Tom
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