llanago
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Post by llanago on Jul 27, 2004 9:41:07 GMT -5
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Post by hermatite on Jul 27, 2004 10:05:23 GMT -5
Hey thanks! That'll work.
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Post by docone31 on Jul 27, 2004 10:57:57 GMT -5
For those of about to glue, we salute you. Silicone adhesive with polished stones and findings works real well. It is real inexpensive has trememdous traction on polished stones. It is used for aquarium manufacture on the corners of the glass. Rio, Indian Jewelers, all carry E6000 E330, and a variety of other adhesives. Cyanoacrylate does not work well with non organic surfaces unless you use sodium bicarbonate as an accelerator. Epoxy will work, but the quicker ones will one day just let go. Just replaced the engine in the van, it is back in the shop for a transmission and rear end. The end is in sight, there is not one new part left to fix.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 27, 2004 18:55:46 GMT -5
Waiting on my 330 epoxy from Kingsley North, along with my other jewlery goodies. Got to remeber to get some styrafoam, sounds like a good idea for holding the stone in place while the glue sets.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 27, 2004 19:00:41 GMT -5
Also, I did artifitial nails for a number of years and Krazy Glue gets very brittle when it gets wet and loses its hold. Turns from clear to white, too
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RiverOtter
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Post by RiverOtter on Jul 29, 2004 1:42:38 GMT -5
Ok doc, brain picking time.
non organic surfaces meaning the findings? or the polished stones? Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda?), how would one go about using it? Do you mix them together?
When you say "quicker" do you mean the ones that setup in a many of minutes? What's the timeframe on "quicker"? Does Epoxy 330 fall into that category of "quicker" or does it take longer and work better?
Thanks Doc, Otter
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Post by docone31 on Jul 29, 2004 1:57:13 GMT -5
With cyanoacrylate, sodium bicarbonate increases the alkylinity of the materials to be adhered. It also dramatically produces heat. One can either fill a gap with sodium bicarbonate and add cyanoacrylate, or with the thicker cyano's sprinkle it over the work and the adhesive. With Less than one ton epoxy, for the most part, filler is added to both the hardener and the epoxy. This accelerates the cure time and weakens the bond. THe slower it cures, the more predictable the joint, and the stronger. Epoxy is epoxy. Pool epoxy found in hardware stores is the base epoxy most of the smaller tube types are based on. With Cyanoacrylate, the findings and the polished stone does not provide a base for the adhesive. It will fall off. Cyanoacrylate was developed and attempted to be used as a traumatic wound first aid binder. That is why it sticks to fingers so well. It does not dissolve and the wounds had to be sliced open to be stiched. It became the basis for an adhesive for skin wounds being developed today with a much shorter life. Silicone seal in either large tubes, or small tubes is a great adhesive and a good substitute for EC6000. Hope that helps. This post takes me to only three for the dreaded enlightenment. This question was a good one however and it was worth it. With Cyanoacrylate, CA, Crazy Glue, All the same stuff, when a piece needing to be glued just does not co-operate, a sprinkling of sodium bicarbonate usually does the job. Although the stuff glues skin like crazy, skin oil on a piece to be glued can prevent the action. Sodium bicarbonate raises the alkylinity and poof! Done deal.
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RiverOtter
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Post by RiverOtter on Jul 29, 2004 2:35:39 GMT -5
Thanks much doc that does help clear things up. Sorry about bringing you one post closer to godhood. But truth be known, because of your experience with jewelry you've been a god to me for awhile no matter what your post number has been. Peronally I think you should stop sweating it. We dog owners are already gods. At least to our canines! Otter
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Post by docone31 on Jul 29, 2004 3:28:59 GMT -5
I am getting so near I changed my image! Hey, Otter, what are you doing up so late? Glad some of my experiences have helped. I learned a lot from cyanoacrylate. Back in my model building days, I like scale sailplanes, radio control of course, I was building a 1/4 scale Schweizer 1-26B. Well, I was a little hammered and was gluing on a plank to the nose of the aircraft with cyanoacrylate. To make it short and simple, the fuselage was 8' long. I had to brace the tail against my shoulder, neck, and side of my face. I had to reach out with my hands to the nose, hold down a piece of balsa and apply cyanoacrylate. The piece was 48" long. The cyanoacrylate got involved with capilarily action ran the length of the balsa and glued my neck, ear, chin and both of my hands to the fuselage. At 11:00 pm, I was brought to the emergency room of the local hospital, 30 miles away, in the back of a pickup truck. I did not fit into an automobile. The reception nurses were already laughing, a drag queen got himself into a very interesting predicament, and I walked in next. Once the fuselage was removed, and several layers of skin on neck, ear, and chin and fingers, it was suggested to my ex-wife, the first one, I shouldn't drink and glue. It took a while before people let that one die down. Get some sleep. Sleep deprivation brings on very interesting creatures in the shadows. Long ears, long teeth, bizarre features, and they are never quite there when the lights go on, but when the lights are off, they are everywhere. Then there is always the chorale of vocal spiders. The tenors are right out there, big bodies, high voices, and they talk with that tone when they are not singing. I need some sleep also. My wife is long asleep, I am waiting for the spiders to allow an intermission so I can quickly jump into the sack without stepping on the shadow figuires. Especially the long ones that look paritcularily threatening. Some look like bats, or chiuwawa, or however that is spelled, held upside down. Ever hold one of those stupid dogs upside down, their eyes glow, and they have fangs! They look like rabid Fruit bats. Who would ever breed an upside down Fruit bat! Gads, and I have just wasted another excuse for being silent. It is just the pressure of upcoming diety hood, and the shadow figuires. There is a large squat one that looks like a Gnome who has been dropped and never quite found an othopedic surgeon. Whoah.......
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Post by krazydiamond on Jul 29, 2004 16:29:40 GMT -5
i have always felt exactly the same way about chiauhuas (however you spell it).....snarling little rabid upside down, glowing eye-balled, fanged rat-on-a-string, fruit bats.
my apologies to all dog lovers in the crowd. KD
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Post by docone31 on Jul 29, 2004 17:07:14 GMT -5
Krazy, something tells me that you and I in our younger days just might have made some people go hmmmmm. Did you ever hang those miserable to spell upside down rabid fruit bats close to each other? Not let them touch, just freak out. My wife's friend breeds those daggoned things. They love everybody except me. It is ok when I come in, but I leave they hang on to my ankles shake and all ruckus breaks out. She constantly goes I'm sorry, you aren't going to sue are you? Every time I go over there which hasn't happened for four years now. She invites me and I graciously decline. I do not tell her if she just put those rabid upside down fruit bats in a box and locked them in the trunk of her car I might come over. Shas never figuired it out. She wants to show me off to her friends and shake and sweat, but she never figuired out those daggoned ankle biters are too much. You should have seen her face when I showed her an article from a cat magazine on the history of those little things. The Mayans originally bred them as food. Don't get me wrong when they are not upside down with red eyes, spitting and freaking out, they are pretty cute little buggers, from a distance. If only they would leave my ankles alone. It is awful!!!! I turn my back and I am lunchmeat! Over and over and over.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 29, 2004 17:28:53 GMT -5
One more post, Doc, and the little rat dog wannabe's will be banished to the goologs for biting a God. Are you ready? Are you sure? What'll it be, boy? Iv'e got my confetti ready to go. cookie
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Post by Noosh9057 on Jul 29, 2004 17:35:08 GMT -5
That is a lot of posts
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Post by Guest on Jul 29, 2004 17:43:40 GMT -5
BEfore we go any further do you love me? Will you love me forever? do you need me? Will you never leave me, will you make me happy for the rest of my life? Will you take me away will you make me a wife? I gotta know right now, before we go any further, do you love me, will you love me forever?
Oh let me think on it, baby baby, let me think on it. Ha ha ha
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RiverOtter
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Post by RiverOtter on Jul 29, 2004 23:40:11 GMT -5
Well no offense taken here KD. I am not particularly fond of ankle-biting, hyper, neurotic, yappy dogs myself. And I am a dog lover, but prefer large breeds. I own a cheasepeake bay retriever. I used to have a Newfoundland. We called her the drool queen. The big dogs are alot calmer. God knows I need calm. Hyper dogs make me hyper and that's not good! And just in case anyone wants to know the #1 biter of all dogs is not a German Shepherd or a Rottwieller but a Cocker Spaniel. Food for thought.
Otter
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Post by cookie3rocks on Jul 29, 2004 23:48:12 GMT -5
My step daughter gave her dad a present, it was a little stuffed cocker spaniel. It sits on the dash board of our truck. His name is Joe, Cocker Spaniel
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Post by docone31 on Jul 30, 2004 0:03:26 GMT -5
Ok, you win. I have gotten a lot of demands to post one more and hit the big one. Is there an inpeachment process? I know, I can be Captain Chaos! My partner will be the great Cornholio, he will determine who lives and dies. Judge Dred will be my attourney General. He doesn't need any help. Secretary of the Universe will be Ahnold, I like how he says Girlie Guys! Go Ahnold. I accept greatness, with all the modesty and humility my magnamous postion will give me. I intend to be the most humble, modest, all powerful, omnipotent anonymous country God. I will accept praise, bribes, gifts, vestial virgins, feline adoration, and in general, day long worship. THere can be but one and I am it! Everyone else can return to being a developing spirit, except those who agree with me can sit at my feet. Of course Cookie can be my representative of the gentler way, Hermi, can be subtly alluring, Krazy can give me sick ideas and we can see how far we can fling rabid fruit bat creatures! There will be dungeons with shadow creatures, singing spiders, and lots of play time. That is it for now. I need to rest. Humbly managing the world is a very difficult and challenging position. I had no idea harbouring such thoughts can be so taxing on the on the soul. Harken and become, I have become God!
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RiverOtter
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Post by RiverOtter on Jul 30, 2004 0:08:40 GMT -5
(bowing) I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!
Otter
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Post by sandsman1 on Jul 30, 2004 0:19:08 GMT -5
hey doc roll up a fatty hahaha its not every day you get to become GOD ---congrats man ---or should i say your holyness hahaha
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deepsouth
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Post by deepsouth on Jul 30, 2004 5:11:11 GMT -5
when on one day I come before thy holliness I hope you remember that I was the carjack that got you out of your troubles. and when trading I was the jack of all trades that helped you into a cheap deal . when you were chasing your goddesses i was the jack of hearts . May you forgive me for never having been a jackknife. alas life is too short to dwell on these thoughts, I had better get back to my rock and roll Roll over god and feel good about it Jack
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