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Post by fernwood on Jan 17, 2019 12:47:20 GMT -5
These sound like the same panels I have. The steel is about 1/8" thick, correct?
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Post by johnw on Jan 17, 2019 12:53:15 GMT -5
jamesp , My hat is being tipped to you sir, wow, what a project. I am thoroughly exhausted just watching. My congratulations go to a really highly creative master builder. Err, well, after seeing what you have accomplished so far I feel compelled to ask this question............you didn't by chance build the Pyramids, did you? Cheers, johnw
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Post by jamesp on Jan 17, 2019 15:42:41 GMT -5
jamesp , My hat is being tipped to you sir, wow, what a project. I am thoroughly exhausted just watching. My congratulations go to a really highly creative master builder. Err, well, after seeing what you have accomplished so far I feel compelled to ask this question............you didn't by chance build the Pyramids, did you? Cheers, johnw Lol, that is funny. Those panels make you look like superman builder johnw. They are really really are easy to install. They offer structural strength, nailer, insulation and water proofing all in one while using few fasteners.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 17, 2019 15:43:53 GMT -5
These sound like the same panels I have. The steel is about 1/8" thick, correct? These are 22 gauge fernwood but they come in all kinds of sheathing. Some of these are aluminum.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 17, 2019 15:49:10 GMT -5
Two more to go. They need trimming to size. Way more work to do. Probably pour concrete next. Ground is about ready. Then stud frame walls.
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Post by mossyrockhound on Jan 17, 2019 17:15:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the WIP! You must start your mornings with a double shot of caffeine! If I tried building something like that around here w/o a building permit, I would have the county inspectors all over me in a matter of hours.
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Post by fernwood on Jan 18, 2019 4:15:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the WIP! You must start your mornings with a double shot of caffeine! If I tried building something like that around here w/o a building permit, I would have the county inspectors all over me in a matter of hours. This isn't a build, just repairs, right jamesp ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 18, 2019 5:20:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the WIP! You must start your mornings with a double shot of caffeine! If I tried building something like that around here w/o a building permit, I would have the county inspectors all over me in a matter of hours. Thanks for the WIP! You must start your mornings with a double shot of caffeine! If I tried building something like that around here w/o a building permit, I would have the county inspectors all over me in a matter of hours. This isn't a build, just repairs, right jamesp ? This property is located on the rural tip of a large Fulton county. Fulton county encompasses most of Atlanta. Apparently the county is too busy to deal with minor offenses like un-permitted structures. Especially on white owned large pieces of agriculturally zoned land with long driveways. As a matter of fact it appears they show favoritism to their what appears to be 'token' whites out here in the rural section. Or they fear us, not sure. When I built this house over 30 years ago I was amazed that the building inspectors would rarely sign off on my construction. Many of them never made on site inspections and had me come to the planning and zoning office to pick up my permits. This behavior surprised me. I had moved here from suburb Atlanta where new construction was heavily policed. Over the years this county has continuously been attacked by law suites related to unscrupulous activity. Perhaps this issue effects their behavior ? No matter, permitting has never seemed a concern to them in this section of the county. Works for me lol.
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Post by NRG on Jan 18, 2019 11:18:19 GMT -5
Plot twist
or they are afraid your neighborhood will go all Sandy Springs on them.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 18, 2019 12:46:39 GMT -5
Plot twist or they are afraid your neighborhood will go all Sandy Springs on them.There is a big battle and always has been in this county. A wealthy restauranteer organized a bunch of rich folks to convert most of S Fulton county into a liberal tree hugging land preserving annexation called Chattahoochee Hills. These people are great for this hood because they do keep the county beautiful and have put old forests in conservation and saved them from the timber industry. They also increased the land values a bunch with liberally expensive weekend housing for city dweller get-aways. Ha, they even liberalized the building codes allowing non-conventional buildings !! The good ole boys down here humbled their new police department by killing one of the policemen and they started giving warnings instead of a ticket for every minor offense. Crazy stuff... The north side of this county(Sandy Springs for instance) has a lot of money and resent paying big taxes and having so much of it spent on us less financially comfortable south siders. One of the big county politicians even had our low traffic scenic south side streets paved with expensive super flat roads called 'The Silk Sheets' because he was a bicyclist. Making South Fulton a big bicycling destination. A constant battle ensued with the cyclists and red neck pick up trucks fighting over who owns the road, and complaints from North Fulton about cost. Then there is the section of Fulton county that is Atlanta city proper that requires a great deal of policing. Add the large East Point industrial district to Atlanta city and you have a messy central Fulton county zone. Combine these for the Zoo. For years South Fulton was #1 in Georgia for marijuana growing zone because of the high percent of secluded rural farms. In conclusion, due to the mass chaos in this 70 mile long county there is not much the county government can control very well. I believe you can even bond out of jail with a credit card making it a criminally desirable location for them to conduct business. Love this location. My 30 acres is located in a 4000 acre tract owned by a mix of foreign investors, timber companies and old families. For over 30 years we have romped on the 4000 acres as if we own it. Even grown crops on portions of it.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 18, 2019 13:18:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the WIP! You must start your mornings with a double shot of caffeine! If I tried building something like that around here w/o a building permit, I would have the county inspectors all over me in a matter of hours. This isn't a build, just repairs, right jamesp ? This property is located on the rural tip of a large Fulton county. Fulton county encompasses most of Atlanta. Apparently the county is too busy to deal with minor offenses like un-permitted structures. Especially on white owned large pieces of agriculturally zoned land with long driveways. As a matter of fact it appears they show favoritism to their what appears to be 'token' whites out here in the rural section. Or they fear us, not sure. When I built this house over 30 years ago I was amazed that the building inspectors would rarely sign off on my construction. Many of them never made on site inspections and had me come to the planning and zoning office to pick up my permits. This behavior surprised me. I had moved here from suburb Atlanta where new construction was heavily policed. Over the years this county has continuously been attacked by law suites related to unscrupulous activity. Perhaps this issue effects their behavior ? No matter, permitting has never seemed a concern to them in this section of the county. Works for me lol. Sounds like the county to the north of me where I grew up, pay the permit fee and pretty much anything goes, electrical was the only exception, If you didn't have a union electrician there with you when the inspector came by they always found something. mossyrockhound you must live in one of the Seattle area counties, they have a reputation. Clark county has taken after Portland lately and decided property ownership is imaginary as well. jamesp I like what you're doing, you can never have too much/enough work space...
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Post by captbob on Jan 18, 2019 15:41:24 GMT -5
Interesting project - as always. Panels look similar to what was used for the roof of our sun room - steel sandwiching foam. Lay a linoleum floor on the top side to cover seams and totally weather proof it.
Happy New Year ...
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Post by fernwood on Jan 19, 2019 7:47:44 GMT -5
jamesp Your above description of the area is very enlightening. I moved to where I am from an area where property rights ruled. Most of the time, owners could dredge lakes, fill in creeks (or run manure lines from their barns to them), fill in wetlands to make roads, etc. Lots of people who would feel it was their right to do anything on the lands of others. Posse comatatus had regional headquarters about 10 miles from me. I was actually friends with some members, as I knew them from HS. Even law enforcement there were a little scared when receiving complaints from some. One officer was killed for checking on someone with an outstanding warrant who went off the road and ended up in a corn field with his truck. When I left the area, law enforcement would be finding meth labs weekly in remote locations. Lots of brothels and other undesirable things. All construction there required permits and inspections, depending on who you were. I moved to one of the most progressive counties in WI. But, I moved to the SE corner, which is full of Rednecks. Fortunately, most of those which are neighbors embrace the neighbor help neighbors policy and that the land is open for everyone to explore. All but one of my neighbors have long driveways. I am stuck next to a busy, 2 lane highway, which is utilized by overloaded semi's or those wishing to drive fast. Too many prying eyes for me, but adjusting. Many very outspoken people here, who are not afraid to let people know they disapprove of anything done. A good example was when I let the eventual winner of the race for County Executive place a large sign on my barn. He was running as an independent. Owner of a small, organic farm which offered farmshares. Long time resident. Several people stopped by telling me to remove the sign if "I knew what was good for me". Let police and him know about that. Made sure my trail cams were operational. To me, this person was the perfect balance to lead the County. Many others agreed, as he won in a landslide. Not a Dem or a Rep, but a combo of both, just like me. He has made good on many promises, so far. How many in politicians do that? I live near some very expensive homes/ranches/farms. Those owners often are trying to change the rules to benefit themselves. Almost all of the rural water wells here are contaminated, due to a combo of farming and natural elements in the water table. Many high capacity wells for farming. Had some people complain when I had logging done on my land last year. It was mostly selective cutting, with a few plantation trees and clear cutting of undesirable species. I feel everything was done perfect. I walked the land with the Forester who did the survey and marked trees. He is a good friend of my daughter and her husband. Had also been to my property in the past. Love that most of my neighbors and I have the same priorities and beliefs. Love my little chunk of this beautiful area. Have about 120 acres of connecting tails to roam, ATV or horseback ride on. So, I understand very well the area you live in. Agree that some may find the lack of regs unbelievable. Who would have thought that rural America is rural America, no matter how close one is to a metro area.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 19, 2019 8:06:37 GMT -5
This county was chosen intentionally for a home base Rockoonz because of it's chaotic government and negligence of this out lying section of the county. Douglas to the west, Coweta to the south, and Fayette county to the west will all likely deny you a final if there is not a licensed contractor on site. Your reference to imaginary property ownership is dead accurate and a sobering fact in this country. There is certainly a place for covenants and restrictions for those that want a standardized suburbia environment. But properties that are not bound by such rules should be free from strict code scrutiny. I was making a request to divide this 43 acres into 13,17 and 13 acre lots off of the 320 feet of road frontage. Meeting county requirements of 100 feet frontage per lot. This minority employee in the planning and development department approached me about serving as a(white) front man for purchasing property for him in this area. Ha, he ain't supposed to be making such requests from citizens. I pretended I did not hear his request and he apparently denied my request to subdivide this property. I'll never forget this lawyer's name - John McCarter. I was given this man's name by a real estate agent. He had dealt with this county's crooked dealings for years. McCarter asked for $200, to make an appointment with that county employee, pick him up and have him escort me in to the appointment. We entered that room and you could see fear written all over the county employee's face. My subdivision request was signed in 2 minutes. That crazy lawyer laughed all the way back on the return trip home. He gave me $150 back, said the experience made his year. I guess I did not find it so funny as I had spent $3500 on a survey so that I could make the subdivision request and bought a second($5000) property for added road frontage. I still remember that SOB county employee's name.
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Post by fernwood on Jan 19, 2019 8:34:21 GMT -5
OMG. That is quite the experience. I have never had to pay for any appointments. Just the usual survey, meeting fees.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 19, 2019 8:35:16 GMT -5
Interesting project - as always. Panels look similar to what was used for the roof of our sun room - steel sandwiching foam. Lay a linoleum floor on the top side to cover seams and totally weather proof it. Happy New Year ... Happy New Year and good health to you Bob. Insulation for a sunroom or even an open wall shed roof gets hot below especially where you are without a lot of insulation. Polyurethane foam is about as good as insulation gets per inch of thickness and is more expensive than most. Most metal clad insulating panels use polyurethane since it is also structural strong when sandwiched with steel. Come out to play more often, certain you are missed.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 19, 2019 9:08:41 GMT -5
OMG. That is quite the experience. I have never had to pay for any appointments. Just the usual survey, meeting fees. And of course the fee was for the lawyer fernwood. I was getting screwed by the county till he entered the picture. Glad to hear other locations in this country get treated in a similar fashion. You sound like you know your way around these county governments too. This was the first of about 8 agriculturally zoned land divisions utilizing simple road frontage rules I invested in. All properties subdivided were in similar rural settings with focus on minimal government scrutiny in Georgia and Florida. Focus was on free spirited buyers and had intentions of using the land as they saw fit. Hired a hot red head local agent gal to do the selling. Feisty high producer that had no fear. One lot was 30 acres in notorious Hog Valley Florida on Lake Rodman and was divided into 7 lots. The first 2 buyers found out about the freedom from regulations they had on these lots. These 2 clients sold 4 of the other 5 lots for the agent by telling friends and family with like mind sets about their freedoms at this location. Hog Valley sorta got it's beginning when they moved all the squatters there from the Ocala National Forest years ago. Ill tempered bunch. Last place on earth revenuers and permit officers would want to visit. Perfect investment location !!! Has one bar called the Frontier and was said they issue you a knife at the door ha. A joke I hope... In recent years the area had begun to be settled by families and a more civilized bunch.
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Post by fernwood on Jan 19, 2019 9:41:33 GMT -5
No lawyer. I did everything on my own. Fees were for filing, survey, and county meeting fees. Every-time a subdivide on lake-shore property happens, it had to go before the Zoning committee. Charge for that was $200.00. Surveys were inexpensive compared to yours. I had 15 acres subdivided into 4 lots. Total cost was $800.00. Filing fees were about $100.00. So, I subdivided and sold the 15 acres with 4 lots for $200,000.00. Contained over 700' of lake frontage. Sold to a long time family friend who was purchasing local land to keep natural. All of the land was Ag zoned. He wanted it for a buffer zone on his other 200 acres.
That sale allowed me to mostly purchase my new property with cash. Used some savings for the purchase.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 19, 2019 11:30:07 GMT -5
No lawyer. I did everything on my own. Fees were for filing, survey, and county meeting fees. Every-time a subdivide on lake-shore property happens, it had to go before the Zoning committee. Charge for that was $200.00. Surveys were inexpensive compared to yours. I had 15 acres subdivided into 4 lots. Total cost was $800.00. Filing fees were about $100.00. So, I subdivided and sold the 15 acres with 4 lots for $200,000.00. Contained over 700' of lake frontage. Sold to a long time family friend who was purchasing local land to keep natural. All of the land was Ag zoned. He wanted it for a buffer zone on his other 200 acres. That sale allowed me to mostly purchase my new property with cash. Used some savings for the purchase. Awesome. You tasted some easy money. Hard to go wrong with water front. In the next life it would be wheeling and dealing in real estate. It is fun and generates easy money. But risky.... Most of the properties had Native camps on them - yes bring the tractor and plow those artifact rich areas !! I just received a contract on my last piece of Florida property to close in 3 days Monday. Totaling 12 Florida properties sold. No more Florida land taxes to pay !!!
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Post by 1dave on Jan 19, 2019 12:39:43 GMT -5
This county was chosen intentionally for a home base Rockoonz because of it's chaotic government and negligence of this out lying section of the county. Douglas to the west, Coweta to the south, and Fayette county to the west will all likely deny you a final if there is not a licensed contractor on site. Your reference to imaginary property ownership is dead accurate and a sobering fact in this country. There is certainly a place for covenants and restrictions for those that want a standardized suburbia environment. But properties that are not bound by such rules should be free from strict code scrutiny. I was making a request to divide this 43 acres into 13,17 and 13 acre lots off of the 320 feet of road frontage. Meeting county requirements of 100 feet frontage per lot. This minority employee in the planning and development department approached me about serving as a(white) front man for purchasing property for him in this area. Ha, he ain't supposed to be making such requests from citizens. I pretended I did not hear his request and he apparently denied my request to subdivide this property. I'll never forget this lawyer's name - John McCarter. I was given this man's name by a real estate agent. He had dealt with this county's crooked dealings for years. McCarter asked for $200, to make an appointment with that county employee, pick him up and have him escort me in to the appointment. We entered that room and you could see fear written all over the county employee's face. My subdivision request was signed in 2 minutes. That crazy lawyer laughed all the way back on the return trip home. He gave me $150 back, said the experience made his year. I guess I did not find it so funny as I had spent $3500 on a survey so that I could make the subdivision request and bought a second($5000) property for added road frontage. I still remember that SOB county employee's name. Should top the news of the year!
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