RWA3006
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 10:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by knave on Jul 11, 2020 10:21:52 GMT -5
We have Fairburn Friday But Turd Tuesday doesn’t sound quite right.
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Post by knave on Jul 11, 2020 10:22:22 GMT -5
Awesome display sir!
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 11, 2020 10:29:48 GMT -5
Very nice! I see lots of great patterns.
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 11:55:42 GMT -5
We have Fairburn Friday But Turd Tuesday doesn’t sound quite right. LOL, I think I'll endeavor to post a specimen every Tuesday. Before we're done we'll all be petrified poo connoisseurs. I should point out that all the specimens I deal with, to the best of my knowledge came from herbivores. There is no reason for this except it's just what's available to me where I search. As far as I know I could have been walking right by carnivore turds and just not recognized them for what they are. When I'm searching for coprolites my eyes seem to disregard other rocks that I probably ought to be looking at.
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Post by miket on Jul 11, 2020 12:16:21 GMT -5
RWA3006 I have heard the saying about polishing a turd...now I know what it really means. 😁 You have some great specimens!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jul 11, 2020 15:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by RickB on Jul 11, 2020 15:54:12 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that link to the "Poozeum"
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Post by Pat on Jul 11, 2020 16:42:41 GMT -5
Once in a while I find a truly stony turd. This one is extraordinary in the quantity of gizzard stones embedded within and jutting out of the surface. Holy crap! I would have thought that was some kind of pudding stone.
I thought raisin nut bread!!
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 19:37:28 GMT -5
Holy crap! I would have thought that was some kind of pudding stone.
I thought raisin nut bread!! Indeed! When I first saw this after sawing it open I thought I had made a mistake and had cut a chunk of concrete because the gravel was so concentrated. I did some mental back tracking and confirmed that I had picked it up in a remote area (no concrete for many miles) and that in context of where I found it it just had to be coprolite. Coprolites I gather in my little area come from a specific strata where no other similar rocks are found. The only other agatized material within that strata is petrified wood. In other words it tends to be fairly obvious when a person considers the entire context of where they are found. I hasten to mention this is only the case in my particular hunting ground and is probably different in other places.
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Post by EricD on Jul 11, 2020 20:01:32 GMT -5
I thought raisin nut bread!! Indeed! When I first saw this after sawing it open I thought I had made a mistake and had cut a chunk of concrete because the gravel was so concentrated. I did some mental back tracking and confirmed that I had picked it up in a remote area (no concrete for many miles) and that in context of where I found it it just had to be coprolite. Coprolites I gather in my little area come from a specific strata where no other similar rocks are found. The only other agatized material within that strata is petrified wood. In other words it tends to be fairly obvious when a person considers the entire context of where they are found. I hasten to mention this is only the case in my particular hunting ground and is probably different in other places. I only know what I've learned here about dino poo, so please bear with me. I'm interested to know what sets this one apart from a conglomerate? Thanks!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jul 11, 2020 20:36:33 GMT -5
Get the straight poop! Here's links to a few more sites I was looking at: www.areallycrappystory.com/node/39I was checking this site for info on the difference between carnivore and herbivore poops. Wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoproliteThere are some really fresh looking ones here, lol. And lastly, What is a coprolite? | Natural History MuseumAnd I spent several hours out on the patio (where it was 92 degrees) looking through my rock stash. Pulled out a few slabs and chunks of coprolites, will have to get pics tomorrow before it gets hot out. I love the amount of info and pics of coprolites available online!
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Post by amygdule on Jul 11, 2020 21:12:17 GMT -5
Once in a while I find a truly stony turd. This one is extraordinary in the quantity of gizzard stones embedded within and jutting out of the surface. That looks like some of the conglomerate I collected West of the airport by Moab, Utah.
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Post by EricD on Jul 11, 2020 21:36:59 GMT -5
Once in a while I find a truly stony turd. This one is extraordinary in the quantity of gizzard stones embedded within and jutting out of the surface. That looks like some of the conglomerate I collected West of the airport by Moab, Utah. Isn't that concrete 'dule?
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Post by amygdule on Jul 11, 2020 21:49:18 GMT -5
That looks like some of the conglomerate I collected West of the airport by Moab, Utah. Isn't that concrete 'dule? Natural Concrete That conglomerate was from a layer of sediment laid down millions of years ago
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Post by EricD on Jul 11, 2020 21:53:53 GMT -5
Isn't that concrete 'dule? Natural Concrete That conglomerate was from a layer of sediment laid down millions of years ago The base looks aweful light grey, just like concrete. Monotone light grey I'll take pictures of dad's conglomerate tomorrow. Hope it's not a dino turd, it would take a pretty large dino (or constipated one) to pass this one.
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 22:07:34 GMT -5
Good and valid question Eric. I wrestled with that question when it came off the saw. Fortunately I had access to a deep knowledge base from several old timers who have years of experience in the subject.
Not only do we look for clues within the specimen, we look for clues within the formation where it came from. In this scenario we not only learn from what is present within the specimen and it's host formation, but we also learn a lot from what is NOT in the specimen and it's host rock. I like to call this the "context" of where a specimen is found.
The layer I gather from is a fairly homogeneous strata of sandstone with alternating layers of petrified banks of quartzite beach gravels mixed with sand. The different layers in this locale are consistent in the components with very little variation that make up their whole. Because of this consistency it's fairly easy to spot anything out of place. I rely upon this heavily.
There are no agates in these layers except for coprolites and agatized wood. In this area if you want to identify if a rock is coprolite you knock a chip off with the hammer and look inside for agate because almost all other candidates will be sandstone inside.
Do this enough times and you begin to see there is a definite phenotype to coprolites and to continue hitting them with a hammer is unnecessary. Within a short time almost any novice can readily identify a coprolite in this locale just by the appearance of its exterior.
Now concerning the specimen in question ... I relied much on its exterior shape. There is virtually nothing within its host strata, or superior strata that has this distinctive shape except for other coprolites. This was my first and most compelling clue. In years of searching through miles of this strata I had never before seen anything resembling it except for other coprolites, thousands of them.
My second clue was when I polished the cut faces on a flat lap it produced undercutting around the perimeter of each gastrolith which was consistent with other specimens containing gastroliths. The gastroliths are almost always made of the tough cobbles of quartzite that seem universally tougher than the agate surrounding them.
The next clue was when I put the cut surface under the microscope it became apparent that each of the many gastroliths was surrounded by agate instead of sand. This clinched it for me because I know that in this place the sole source of agate is where plant or animal tissue absorbed silica probably from the surrounding sand or later ash falls superior to that level. I should add that I occasionally find dino bone associated with coprolites and it's agatized to a very similar nature.
Finally, I showed the specimen to my old timer friend Denzil Hammer, who has published numerous articles on coprolites and has sold many tons worldwide ... he looked at it and said "yep, it's crap." I suppose it might be.
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 22:11:04 GMT -5
Once in a while I find a truly stony turd. This one is extraordinary in the quantity of gizzard stones embedded within and jutting out of the surface. That looks like some of the conglomerate I collected West of the airport by Moab, Utah. Yes, I've also found almost identical conglomerate near Hanksville and Green River. I thinks it's scattered all over that country.
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Post by EricD on Jul 11, 2020 22:16:57 GMT -5
Good and valid question Eric. ...[snip]... "yep, it's crap." I suppose it might be. Thanks. That cleared up my question and any other questions I may have had! Excellent information
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Post by RWA3006 on Jul 11, 2020 22:26:18 GMT -5
Good and valid question Eric. ...[snip]... "yep, it's crap." I suppose it might be. Thanks. That cleared up my question and any other questions I may have had! Excellent information There are other bits of evidence within these guys that they are actually fossil poo. Some of the most compelling is when you cut one in half it's not uncommon to find cross sections of undigested twigs, etc that are identifiable. I've found quite a few tree branches about the diameter of my finger and I can even count the rings in them if the cut is perpendicular to the axis of the twig.
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