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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 28, 2021 12:51:25 GMT -5
So, this is the last of a hodgepodge of material I got off eBay awhile back. Most of this material was scraps or endcuts. A few I recognize, but most I don't have a clue. A lot of these have issues with the surface...but I worked them the best I could...so I'm blaming the material! LOL If anyone as an idea about the IDs of any of these, I'd appreciate the input. Even if it's not a specific ID, some of these I don't know what to call them (like as in general terms such as fortification agate - although that one I kinda know! LOL) Thanks for taking a gander - and a stab at the IDs if you're so inclined. Pic 1: Unknown Moss Agate? (EDIT: Horse Canyon Agate) Pic 2: Unknown Jasper? Pic 3: Unknown Fortification Agate? (EDIT: Potentially Luna Agate) Pic 4: Unknown Fortification Agate? (EDIT: Potentially Luna Agate) Pic 5: Unknown Sagenite Agate? Pic 6: Moss Thunderegg with Opal Pic 7: Unknown Sagenite Agate? Pic 8: Unknown Sagenite Agate? Pic 9: Marcasite in Quartz Pic 10: Eden Valley Blue Forest Petrified Wood (I think) Pic 11: Unknown? (EDIT: Potentially Mexican Flame Agate) Pic 1 Pic 2 Pic 3 Pic 4 Pic 5 Pic 6 Pic 7 Pic 8 Pic 9 Pic 10 Pic 11
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 28, 2021 12:54:07 GMT -5
Wow! I'm so bowled over by your polish and pictures! I think I like the sagenite best but the first one is really nice, too.
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Post by perkins17 on Dec 28, 2021 13:09:30 GMT -5
Woah! Those are great! Nice job on them. Sorry I'm not a big help on the id's. That Kingsley North cabber must be on for like 6 hours a day!!! (The same goes for my Poly! 😂)
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Post by miket on Dec 28, 2021 13:35:59 GMT -5
Numbers 1,5,7 and 8 are my favorites, but 2,3,4,6, 9 and 10 are a close second!
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 28, 2021 16:05:21 GMT -5
Wow! I'm so bowled over by your polish and pictures! I think I like the sagenite best but the first one is really nice, too. Thanks Tela! I think that first one is my favorite out of this batch...followed by #3. That third one has an interesting effect with the fortification that I can't capture in a picture. You can actually see the "side" of the fortification going toward the back of the cab. In the pic, there's just an off-white "hint" that it's there... Woah! Those are great! Nice job on them. Sorry I'm not a big help on the id's. That Kingsley North cabber must be on for like 6 hours a day!!! (The same goes for my Poly! 😂) Thanks Perk! Sometimes 6 hours...sometimes more! LOL Numbers 1,5,7 and 8 are my favorites, but 2,3,4,6, 9 and 10 are a close second! Thanks Mike! That's about how my favorites get lined up in this batch! LOL
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 28, 2021 21:38:19 GMT -5
Gorgeous!
#1 is my favorite, but only by a smidge, and it looks like some green moss we have from Idaho, I believe. #11 looks like Mexican Flame Agate maybe.
The sagenites are killing me, too, especially #5.
#3 & 4 maybe Luna Agate from New Mexico?
Outstanding job on all of these, Jason!
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 28, 2021 21:55:19 GMT -5
Gorgeous!
#1 is my favorite, but only by a smidge, and it looks like some green moss we have from Idaho, I believe. #11 looks like Mexican Flame Agate maybe.
The sagenites are killing me, too, especially #5.
#3 & 4 maybe Luna Agate from New Mexico?
Outstanding job on all of these, Jason!
Thanks so much Robin! I think there were some pretty amazing materials in this "hodgepodge". I can see #11 being Mexican Flame...I just Googled it. Good call on the Luna Agate! I had another piece that was an outside cut. So, I had to try and cab the "husk" side rather than the interior. The interior looked just like the Luna Agate pics I just looked up...so I could see #3 and #4 coming from them as well! Yeah...that #5 is really something amazing. I wish I knew for sure what that one was. I've got some "sagenite agate" in my shopping cart at the moment...I just don't think it's going to be as nice as this one! LOL
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Post by stewdogg on Dec 28, 2021 23:42:27 GMT -5
Well, if we're saying our favorites... 5, 7 and 1, but that's a badass bunch of material!
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 28, 2021 23:54:49 GMT -5
Well, if we're saying our favorites... 5, 7 and 1, but that's a badass bunch of material! Thanks Jesse! Yeah...1,3, and 5 are my favorites from this batch. I hate picking favorites...I know it makes the rest of them feel inadequate...but what can you do! LOL
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Post by amygdule on Dec 29, 2021 2:06:44 GMT -5
Nice work jasoninsd#1 might be a Horse Canyon Agate from California. I've seen similar moss from Oregon too.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 29, 2021 9:01:47 GMT -5
Nice work jasoninsd #1 might be a Horse Canyon Agate from California. I've seen similar moss from Oregon too. I think you may have nailed it, 'Dule!
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 29, 2021 9:08:14 GMT -5
I was gonna say horse canyon, too. Your cab is top notch, for sure.
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 29, 2021 9:28:51 GMT -5
Nice work jasoninsd #1 might be a Horse Canyon Agate from California. I've seen similar moss from Oregon too. Thanks 'Dule! I'm definitely stoked to know the ID on that one! This piece was a thick edge cut. The dome side was so gnarly, I couldn't even predict what it was going to look like when it was done...but I'm lovin' the looks of this material! Nice work jasoninsd #1 might be a Horse Canyon Agate from California. I've seen similar moss from Oregon too. I think you may have nailed it, 'Dule! Thanks Robin! Thanks for putting a second motion in on this one! I was gonna say horse canyon, too. Your cab is top notch, for sure. Thank you so much Tela! I think the "ayes" have it!
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 30, 2021 4:10:42 GMT -5
jasoninsdAnother great batch. The sagenite are my favorites. I want to offer something more constructive than just telling you that these cabs are beautiful (which they are.) Here's the thing -- you have mastered the fundamentals, and I can't see any way you could have turned this set of preforms into better cabs. So... I am interested to see how you will continue to develop your skills. A few ideas. 1. I would love to see you try some cab shapes that really stretch your skills (like your cat cab . Perfect circles are hard for me, but can be gorgeous when well executed (think picture jaspers). Inside curves can be challenging and beautiful as well. I am sure that you are still working through your treasure chest of preforms, and I know you cut shapes compatible with your slant cabber. When the time comes to cut more preforms, I don't want to see any tear drops. Just joking. The tear drop is one of the best cab shapes. The thing is -- you've mastered it. If you want to make a bunch of cabs to sell, I would say -- pump out a bunch of tear drops. Yours are very good, and no doubt people would buy them. But I want to see how good your cabbing skills can become (and learn something from you in the process). 2. Have you tried any really low domes? I know that might have been tough on the slant cabber, but it is very doable with you cabbing machine. Slab thickness comes into play, obviously. You may decide that you like how high domes look on most material, but mastering the low dome could give you another option. 3. There is always room to improve, or at least experiment, with composition. I don't have any specific ideas here, but I'll share something I did recently: I laid out all of my crazy lace cabs side by side and looked at them as a group. I thought about which ones I like best, and why. By viewing a bunch of similar cabs side by side, I started to noticing things like the relationship between the shape of the cab and the shape / orientation of the bands. I think it I would have marked out some crazy lace preforms right after that, they would have been good ones. 4. Some of your best cabs have come from capturing the most difficult parts of slabs, like druzy vugs and druzy holes. I am thinking of a few of your TeePee Canyon cabs. If you're like me, your instinct, however, is to cab the most solid / stable parts of a slab. There is another approach, which is to cab the most interesting part of the slab, regardless of flaws, and just deal with the flaws the best you can. The final result might be a free form with a funny shape, or a cab with a fracture or vug on the surface... but if what you capture is interesting enough, the funny shape or surface imperfections won't matter much. I am not good at this, but stephen and others do it all the time with success. 5. There is always room to experiment with new and challenging materials. I mostly cab hard agates and jaspers because they are forgiving in a lot of ways. When I try to cab materials with mixed hardness (things like quartz / chrysocolla / malachite mixed up in a single rock) I often end up with a funky shaped cab with a poor dome. One of the things that I admire about Tela's ( rockjunquie) cabs is that she uses a lot of gorgeous but uncommon and challenging materials. Hers almost always turn out good, though. You have already done more experimenting than me in this regard (lots of good obsidian cabs recently), but I'm sure you can do even more. How about some granite cabs? That's all I've got. I'm in not position to be giving advice, but sharing ideas can't hurt. Don't feel the need to respond to all of this.
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Post by fernwood on Dec 30, 2021 4:21:33 GMT -5
Great cabs. # 5 and 7 are my favs.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 30, 2021 6:16:49 GMT -5
holajonathan - That was one of the greatest constructive criticism posts I've ever read. Good job!
jasoninsd Your cabs are perfect, but you know how to make them even better now.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 30, 2021 10:43:34 GMT -5
holajonathan - That was one of the greatest constructive criticism posts I've ever read. Good job!
jasoninsd Your cabs are perfect, but you know how to make them even better now.
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 30, 2021 12:04:03 GMT -5
jasoninsd Another great batch. The sagenite are my favorites. I want to offer something more constructive than just telling you that these cabs are beautiful (which they are.) Here's the thing -- you have mastered the fundamentals, and I can't see any way you could have turned this set of preforms into better cabs. So... I am interested to see how you will continue to develop your skills. A few ideas. 1. I would love to see you try some cab shapes that really stretch your skills (like your cat cab . Perfect circles are hard for me, but can be gorgeous when well executed (think picture jaspers). Inside curves can be challenging and beautiful as well. I am sure that you are still working through your treasure chest of preforms, and I know you cut shapes compatible with your slant cabber. When the time comes to cut more preforms, I don't want to see any tear drops. Just joking. The tear drop is one of the best cab shapes. The thing is -- you've mastered it. If you want to make a bunch of cabs to sell, I would say -- pump out a bunch of tear drops. Yours are very good, and no doubt people would buy them. But I want to see how good your cabbing skills can become (and learn something from you in the process). 2. Have you tried any really low domes? I know that might have been tough on the slant cabber, but it is very doable with you cabbing machine. Slab thickness comes into play, obviously. You may decide that you like how high domes look on most material, but mastering the low dome could give you another option. 3. There is always room to improve, or at least experiment, with composition. I don't have any specific ideas here, but I'll share something I did recently: I laid out all of my crazy lace cabs side by side and looked at them as a group. I thought about which ones I like best, and why. By viewing a bunch of similar cabs side by side, I started to noticing things like the relationship between the shape of the cab and the shape / orientation of the bands. I think it I would have marked out some crazy lace preforms right after that, they would have been good ones. 4. Some of your best cabs have come from capturing the most difficult parts of slabs, like druzy vugs and druzy holes. I am thinking of a few of your TeePee Canyon cabs. If you're like me, your instinct, however, is to cab the most solid / stable parts of a slab. There is another approach, which is to cab the most interesting part of the slab, regardless of flaws, and just deal with the flaws the best you can. The final result might be a free form with a funny shape, or a cab with a fracture or vug on the surface... but if what you capture is interesting enough, the funny shape or surface imperfections won't matter much. I am not good at this, but stephen and others do it all the time with success. 5. There is always room to experiment with new and challenging materials. I mostly cab hard agates and jaspers because they are forgiving in a lot of ways. When I try to cab materials with mixed hardness (things like quartz / chrysocolla / malachite mixed up in a single rock) I often end up with a funky shaped cab with a poor dome. One of the things that I admire about Tela's ( rockjunquie ) cabs is that she uses a lot of gorgeous but uncommon and challenging materials. Hers almost always turn out good, though. You have already done more experimenting than me in this regard (lots of good obsidian cabs recently), but I'm sure you can do even more. How about some granite cabs? That's all I've got. I'm in not position to be giving advice, but sharing ideas can't hurt. Don't feel the need to respond to all of this. Thank you so much for your well thought out and very time consuming post. I've come to realize over the years the biggest "gift" anyone can give is their time...it's the only thing in this life that can't be reacquired in one way or another. I appreciate the compliment of "mastering the fundamentals"...I'm not sure I'd categorize myself as a master of anything...but I feel I'm definitely getting better at the basics. I definitely would like to respond to what you wrote... 1. I've talked about it before and you even touched on it. I'm in a position right now to have an "overload" of the basic teardrop shape. It was one of the easier shapes to do on the flat lap - and quite honestly, it's one of my favorite shapes from a visual sense - it very much is a "classic" design. Because I'm not able to utilize either of my saws any time soon, I'm stuck with what I have. I have every intention...when I'm able to...to "venture out" into other shapes. That being said, I did get one last chance to get some more preforms cut before the weather took a dump and was able to choose some shapes I've never done before - some with an inside swoop. Problem I'm going to have, is they're in obsidian. I would have much preferred to have the new shapes out of an agate or jasper so there was some allowance for errors. However, with it being in obsidian, I have one shot to get it right...no added pressure or anything! LOL 2. Of course I've done low domes...I don't like them! I am kidding on that. From a visual standpoint (for me), I prefer a cab with a higher dome. Quite a bit of my material was cut thick. When I first started cutting, I didn't control the saw like I do now, so I'm stuck with material that allows for a higher dome. I don't plan on dome height most of the time...I go off the thickness of the slab. However, I have taken domes lower than what the preform is cut for...for various reasons. Sometimes it's WAY too high...other times I'm trying to get past vugs...and other times I just want a lower dome rather than a higher dome. Take number 3 for example. It's a low dome. The cab measures 46mm x 28mm x 5.38mm. I think this one is a very low dome on a very large cab. I didn't have any issues with trying to work out a "flat spot" in the middle of this cab. I think I'm very conscientious with regards to seeing the slope of the dome as I'm shaping on the coarse grit wheel...and I think that's due to the magnification I'm using while working the wheels (magnifying lamp, optivisor, and reading glasses). Being able to see the curvature of the dome in this first step enables me to cut out the "fix it" time in the next step. (That being said, I'll probably mess this up all day now! LOL) 3. For me, I think the only "artistic" part of cabbing is the selection of where to take the cab from on the slab. I actually find it fun to pick out where on the slab the "best" cab is going to come from, whether it contains imperfections or not...and then choosing the secondary or tertiary locations. I've started wasting more material with my latest ones. 4. Refer to #3... 5. I do believe I have "branched out" with regards to more challenging materials - when the opportunity presents itself. However, I will be doing more so as time goes on. My entire cabbing experience has been just over a year...so my acquisition of material is only in its "infancy"...when compared to some people... I really do thank you again for putting your thoughts down...it definitely is how ideas are sparked and new ways to look at things are encountered. Great cabs. # 5 and 7 are my favs. Thanks Beth! Yeah...number 5 is definitely a material I wish I knew the exact ID on...I'd love to have about 50 more pounds of that one! LOL holajonathan - That was one of the greatest constructive criticism posts I've ever read. Good job!
jasoninsd Your cabs are perfect, but you know how to make them even better now. Thanks Tela! Definitely a lot of thought and time was put into his post. hummingbirdstones - Thank you Robin!
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Post by victor1941 on Dec 30, 2021 13:01:13 GMT -5
You make them the way I like 'em.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 30, 2021 14:54:29 GMT -5
jasoninsdI know I didn't say anything you haven't already thought about (or already tried). With your combination of motivation, work ethic, and technical skills, however, you ought to be able to create something so amazing that I can't even imagine what it might be. I have no specific advice in that regard. I'm just encouraging you to figure it out for yourself. (Then I will copy your innovation. Just joking. Sort of.) A final way of looking at it... your cabs are so consistently good it looks like it's become too easy. Make some ugly free forms (I've got a ton I can show you), and I'll think you're trying harder to push your limits.
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