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Post by RWA3006 on Aug 5, 2022 16:06:41 GMT -5
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 5, 2022 16:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Aug 5, 2022 19:52:36 GMT -5
not sure what these people were thinking
they had sharp butchering tools
they could control fire
and beer was plentiful
BB'Q Boys!
why they ever come out of the cave ?
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Post by pizzano on Aug 5, 2022 21:41:06 GMT -5
not sure what these people were thinking they had sharp butchering tools they could control fire and beer was plentiful BB'Q Boys! why they ever come out of the cave ? Because the other neighboring breeds women were better looking......! |
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Post by mohs on Aug 5, 2022 22:30:19 GMT -5
sex, beer & rock and roll
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Post by gemfeller on Aug 6, 2022 13:56:43 GMT -5
Human habitation of the Americas is a huge and slowly-unwinding ball of twine. I've devoted a lot of time to studying published information and have even traveled to Belize and Guatemala to learn about he Mayan culture and links to its antecedents like the Olmecs and earlier. There are proven sites in Brazil and Chile that extend the time-line thousands of years earlier than the long-standing belief that the Clovis culture was the earliest in the Western Hemisphere. My own belief is that most of the anthropological evidence is submerged as much as 300 feet beneath ocean coastlines. I think most of the people who traveled to the West came long before the end of the last ice age when the "big melt" caused oceans to rise significantly, covering much of the proof of their arrival. I have no idea who first arrived in North America but I don't believe it was anyone related to present Indian tribes. I think their ancestors came much later by boat along the Pacific Coast route from Asia and Siberia, avoiding the remnants of ice age glaciers and settling either in warmer coastal sites or inland areas where the ice had already retreated. That's why DNA studies of the New Mexico site seem very important to me. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 7, 2022 9:18:31 GMT -5
Human habitation of the Americas is a huge and slowly-unwinding ball of twine. I've devoted a lot of time to studying published information and have even traveled to Belize and Guatemala to learn about he Mayan culture and links to its antecedents like the Olmecs and earlier. There are proven sites in Brazil and Chile that extend the time-line thousands of years earlier than the long-standing belief that the Clovis culture was the earliest in the Western Hemisphere. My own belief is that most of the anthropological evidence is submerged as much as 300 feet beneath ocean coastlines. I think most of the people who traveled to the West came long before the end of the last ice age when the "big melt" caused oceans to rise significantly, covering much of the proof of their arrival. I have no idea who first arrived in North America but I don't believe it was anyone related to present Indian tribes. I think their ancestors came much later by boat along the Pacific Coast route from Asia and Siberia, avoiding the remnants of ice age glaciers and settling either in warmer coastal sites or inland areas where the ice had already retreated. That's why DNA studies of the New Mexico site seem very important to me. Native man's population in the 48 states. Early American populations present odd distributions in that they existed in thousands of relatively small tribes and individual groups. Yet they never reached high population increases. Granted the settlers came in waves for 500 years, the early American were well distributed from coast to coast during the Paleo-Archaic-Woodland-Mississippian ages for at least 4000 years yet their total population seemed low. It was estimated that 5 to 15 million native Americans were here when Columbus arrived. Comparing today's US population over a 500 year period to the 15 million native Americans over say a 4000 year time frame seems low. Looking at the amount of stone artifacts suggests rather low populations considering the amount of food they had to kill using stone weapons. Apparently they had used methods of birth control or sex was not high on their list of pastimes ? Maybe they understood the monthly cycle of a woman an abstained during that time of the month ? The 1900 population in the US was 79 million, 331 million in 2020. Odd that in 4000 years no population booms happened. Looking at the number of Paleo stone artifacts they are so rare in comparison to Archaic/Woodland/Mississippian artifacts suggesting low populations. I estimated I have collected 3000 to 4000 somewhat identifiable broken/whole points over a lifetime in Ga/Fl/Al and less than 10 could be classified as Paleo. And those were all singular finds, never more than one at any campsite. Commonality of Woodland points signify population acceleration and organized camps as they are common. Organized agricultural activity reduced the demand for stone points during the Mississippian era and they are really not that common. They tend to be small; many are bird points suggesting smaller game. Granted, 3 states is a limited sampling. And there are advanced Mississippian cultures in say Georgia alone like the Etowah, Ocmulgee, Kolomoki but they are quite recent. Minimal mound builders, nothing like the Mayans ! The distribution of native populations across far reaching South America is also mysterious. The Mayan culture sure managed to accelerate their civilization. Why didn't other 1000's of groups of native man in the Americas not advance as say the Mayan's did ? |
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Post by rmf on Aug 7, 2022 9:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Aug 7, 2022 10:54:16 GMT -5
Good questions
Actually my above post doesn’t apply to native Americans
Renown for leaving a light footprint
Always wondered why the native American didn't exploit metallurgy like the European bronze age ?
Metal just leads to more efficient warfare
Perhaps the lack of–the horse- hindered long distant travel
Or the beast of burden to incorporate for labor
Yet it possible the native American's were just to wise
To Create large settled existence
That time frame -1300's to the 1450- is a mystery
Something occurred-- either weather or some other event—
Across the north Americas
It is the Same time frame as the collapse of southwest settlements.
Some claim a comet occurrence happened in the 1400;s
Perhaps an omen
Anyway no idea on the many migration theories
Yet if you speak to natives
And ask them where & how they got here?
They reply:
Always been here.
In many ways, I think, we should just leave it there...
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Post by pizzano on Aug 7, 2022 12:45:23 GMT -5
Human habitation of the Americas is a huge and slowly-unwinding ball of twine. I've devoted a lot of time to studying published information and have even traveled to Belize and Guatemala to learn about he Mayan culture and links to its antecedents like the Olmecs and earlier. There are proven sites in Brazil and Chile that extend the time-line thousands of years earlier than the long-standing belief that the Clovis culture was the earliest in the Western Hemisphere. My own belief is that most of the anthropological evidence is submerged as much as 300 feet beneath ocean coastlines. I think most of the people who traveled to the West came long before the end of the last ice age when the "big melt" caused oceans to rise significantly, covering much of the proof of their arrival. I have no idea who first arrived in North America but I don't believe it was anyone related to present Indian tribes. I think their ancestors came much later by boat along the Pacific Coast route from Asia and Siberia, avoiding the remnants of ice age glaciers and settling either in warmer coastal sites or inland areas where the ice had already retreated. That's why DNA studies of the New Mexico site seem very important to me. Native man's population in the 48 states. Early American populations present odd distributions in that they existed in thousands of relatively small tribes and individual groups. Yet they never reached high population increases. Granted the settlers came in waves for 500 years, the early American were well distributed from coast to coast during the Paleo-Archaic-Woodland-Mississippian ages for at least 4000 years yet their total population seemed low. It was estimated that 5 to 15 million native Americans were here when Columbus arrived. Comparing today's US population over a 500 year period to the 15 million native Americans over say a 4000 year time frame seems low. Looking at the amount of stone artifacts suggests rather low populations considering the amount of food they had to kill using stone weapons. Apparently they had used methods of birth control or sex was not high on their list of pastimes ? Maybe they understood the monthly cycle of a woman an abstained during that time of the month ? The 1900 population in the US was 79 million, 331 million in 2020. Odd that in 4000 years no population booms happened. Looking at the number of Paleo stone artifacts they are so rare in comparison to Archaic/Woodland/Mississippian artifacts suggesting low populations. I estimated I have collected 3000 to 4000 somewhat identifiable broken/whole points over a lifetime in Ga/Fl/Al and less than 10 could be classified as Paleo. And those were all singular finds, never more than one at any campsite. Commonality of Woodland points signify population acceleration and organized camps as they are common. Organized agricultural activity reduced the demand for stone points during the Mississippian era and they are really not that common. They tend to be small; many are bird points suggesting smaller game. Granted, 3 states is a limited sampling. And there are advanced Mississippian cultures in say Georgia alone like the Etowah, Ocmulgee, Kolomoki but they are quite recent. Minimal mound builders, nothing like the Mayans ! The distribution of native populations across far reaching South America is also mysterious. The Mayan culture sure managed to accelerate their civilization. Why didn't other 1000's of groups of native man in the Americas not advance as say the Mayan's did ?That is an interesting question.......the likely accepted understanding of modern indigenous population reductions after the late 1400's throughout the North, Central and South America's, are disease and slaughter brought on by the European influences that invaded those cultures. But, since most of what we know about populations prior is based on Archeological findings and physical evidence, those cultures that existed in Central & South America's left more to examine than those natives in North America. As a matter of example, no two Archeologist can even agree as to what the population numbers of indigenous North Americans were prior to the 1400's........very little physical evidence was left behind and nothing as sophisticated as that of the Mayan, Aztec, Hopi cultures, all of which appear to have been influenced by outside intelligent & sophisticated influence, (pyramids, temples, established agriculture, water systems, the use of fire, artistic creativity, medicine, astronomy, mechanics, land surveying), of which, none have ever been identified in any numbers here in North America. The common accepted thought or what proof that can be identified here in NA, is that indigenous populations were nomadic, small in number (relative to the others) due to the lack of food, lack of technology, and lack of some kind of intelligent sophisticated influence (the American Hopi being the exception, but they migrated to the North from the Central America's).....it (so far), appears the NA natives are an enigma of sorts, due to no established farming of any scale, no permanent physical structures built from stone (many cliff dwellers), no permanent aqueduct systems.......these folks followed food sources, waterways, lived for the most part unsheltered in temporary huts, all of which kept population numbers down due to low birth rates, lack of food and natural element survival rates.....to add to that, the indigenous North American did not play or communicate well with others, lacked a written language, did not appear to have a very good understanding of astrological occurrences other than weather/sun/moon events.........Again there seems to be a lack of sophisticated intervention experienced, no outside influences dictating evolution..........very much like those few Amazon tribes that still exist today deep in the jungle. It is my belief that these indigenous people were left to their own means for a purpose........intentionally left to evolve just as the other life around them had/was......that is until modern man intervened. It may well come to pass, that a discovery of some kind, will determine that these folks did not migrate from any known region. They are a stand alone species of mankind that was meant to be pure and innocent. Even though modern technology today has determined their DNA to be a mixed hybrid of other regions peoples, some of the recent studies I have read have Identified an element(s) within the oldest remains that can be determined so far (as indigenous), that no other outlying population contains.......: www.science.org/content/article/ancient-dna-confirms-native-americans-deep-roots-north-and-south-americaAnd, I'm more than certain that many if not most of the ancient cultures that existed in the other America's, experienced, like many other regions on this planet, knowledge and technology that did not originate from indigenous peoples of this world.........The Christian, Judaism, Hindu, Buddhism and even Islamic religions support certain facets of that theology..........and science will soon come to "kneal" to that opinion out of no other explanation, when the proof is revealed. |
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Post by mohs on Aug 7, 2022 13:59:43 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is
The climate in NA wasn't conducive
To long term settlement
The northern parts get bitterly cold
The Hohokam attempted a settlement
In the brutal arid water scarce desert
.... well... just because....
Perhaps the temperate zone in Meso
was more conducive to large settlements?
Moisture, mosquitoes, masa, mold
Better than stick & stones
Trying to keep dry canals flowing...
Maybe the meme virus
in Europe was stronger ?
once some one stumbled on
large scale stone work projcts
as a collaborative unifying work program
the idea just became to capitalistically infectious
and building settlements became the new thing
of course the collaborative & unifying part
soon took a dark turn..
Over in the America’s
the indigenous
were to wise for that foolishness...
it took European influence to
ruin a good thing
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Post by gemfeller on Aug 7, 2022 19:27:18 GMT -5
My interest is focused on possible human habitation of the Americas long prior to the diffusion of paleo Indians after the end of the last ice age. That's why I'm very interested in seeing DNA results from the New Mexico "bone pile" that introduced this thread. There's intriguing new evidence of human incursions on the Atlantic side of the U.S. but I'll have to do some digging to come up with citations. And very intriguing is the discovery of Australasion genes in several South American populations. The possibility of direct diffusion from that region of the world is shrugged off by the following article but I'm a little skeptical of that conclusion. After all, it's known that Australia was populated some 50,000 years ago by people who migrated to it, presumably by boat. So I think it's reasonable to speculate that people with a similar genetic haplogroup could have accidentally (or deliberately) reached the Americas. Anyhow, here's the article. Judge for yourselves: www.livescience.com/south-american-australian-dna-connection.html |
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Post by pizzano on Aug 7, 2022 23:53:10 GMT -5
Gemfeller.......I too find the aspect of human population existing in the North America's, just after the last ice age, to be intriguing. Given what we understand the age of the Mayan, Aztec, Hopi to be much later than that of Paleo inhabitants. What caused the rise and fall of the civilization, where did their linage spread to, was it a one and done period of mankind evolution....it seems the deeper we dig, the more technology advances, the more questions are answered.........and even more questions arise...!
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Post by gemfeller on Aug 8, 2022 3:23:19 GMT -5
Gemfeller.......I too find the aspect of human population existing in the North America's, just after the last ice age, to be intriguing. Given what we understand the age of the Mayan, Aztec, Hopi to be much later than that of Paleo inhabitants. What caused the rise and fall of the civilization, where did their linage spread to, was it a one and done period of mankind evolution....it seems the deeper we dig, the more technology advances, the more questions are answered.........and even more questions arise...! I've spend a lot of time studying the Olmec culture in Mexico. Not a lot of structures remain because they built with wood in a moist tropical climate and most have deteriorated. But their temple areas, jadeite carvings and colossal head sculptures remain along with their other stone work. They were clearly the antecedents of the Maya. There are many similarities but the Olmecs were much earlier. The thing that interests me most about them is they're the first fully-developed culture we know about in Mesoamerica. Somehow they just sprang into existence, fully-formed and functional -- as least as far as we know. Of course that isn't possible. They had to come from somewhere and clearly had a long period of cultural development. Another intriguing aspect is that their colossal head carvings made of basalt have distinctly Negroid characteristics. Anthropologists have tried to explain that away. I've read many of their arguments but I'm not fully convinced. There are large areas in the Brazilian rainforest that were clearly occupied by unknown people. I've seen aerial images of them but as far as I can learn little is yet known about them. And there are other intriguing sites in Peru and elsewhere in S.A. that are being studied. I'm pretty well convinced that some of those cultures were ancestral to the Olmecs and probably a number of other groups. I agree with you that advances in technology and greater interest in studying such things just reveals more and more unanswered questions. I remember flying from Guatemala to Belize after visiting the great Mayan city of Tikal. Below us was a seemingly unending carpet of dense rainforest. With the recent development of a new type of radar that can "see" through those forests and show human developments on the ground, it's been learned that Tikal is astonisingly larger than the parts we visited. Some previously unknown huge structures are just a few hundred yards from the main square but have remained hidden by dense cover for centuries. It's a bonanza for archaeologists. And it makes me realize how pitiably little we really know about the past and the peopling of North and South America |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 8, 2022 8:13:06 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is The climate in NA wasn't conducive To long term settlement The northern parts get bitterly cold The Hohokam attempted a settlement In the brutal arid water scarce desert .... well... just because.... Perhaps the temperate zone in Meso was more conducive to large settlements? Moisture, mosquitoes, masa, mold Better than stick & stones Trying to keep dry canals flowing... Maybe the meme virus in Europe was stronger ? once some one stumbled on large scale stone work projcts as a collaborative unifying work program the idea just became to capitalistically infectious and building settlements became the new thing of course the collaborative & unifying part soon took a dark turn.. Over in the America’s the indigenous were to wise for that foolishness... it took European influence to ruin a good thing ,,mohs Florida is an excellent location for progressive civilization Ed. Perhaps one of the most desirable on earth. pizzano gemfeller This is related to your posts above. "Geologists estimate there are more than 700 freshwater springs in Florida — the largest concentration on Earth — and most are located north of Orlando. The springs listed here were selected for easy access to swimming and snorkeling, and a few allow scuba diving in the underwater caves that channel to the springs." Thirty three of these springs flow over 100 cubic feet of water per second at 72F with river like outflows. Fountains of youth, De Soto. Well distributed across the state. There is easy harvest of natural food supplies that are practically infinite. shellfish, crabs, palm hearts, berries, and many more. Even a city slicker can survive in the forests with little effort. Lots of fugitives living comfortably there. Modern populations are challenged harvesting the the various fish populations out of existence. Fish alone is a food that supplies any and all nutrients needed for near perfect human health. Mineralized bones suggest a dense population of slow moving edible split hoof mammals to serve as food sources for earliest of inhabitants. Even modern man could not remove the native peoples from Florida. Thick vegetation helped protect them but easy food sources were key to easy survival when being pursued. They were comfortable during the ice age too. Many camps were well off shore when Florida was a much larger land mass. The springs during Paleo times were well occupied judging from the commonality of Paleo artifacts at springs and along spring outflows. Slow moving waterways connecting large bodies of fresh water were common to serve for easy travel routes not to mention extensive food rich ocean beaches. Sewage was unlikely a problem with so much slowly moving water. There was a shell mound at the massive Silver Glen Spring that was likely the largest shell mound in NA that was hauled off as underlayment for Hwy 19 back in the 40's. The site was occupied for many years but the encampment shows no signs of extreme populations or advancement in civilization. They had the presence of mind to dump the smelly shells south east of their encampments to assist the north west winds to blow the smell of rotting flesh away. For some reason Florida never did advance and people remained rather primitive over a long period of occupation. Is it that a simple lifestyle was enough ? Easy living ? Perhaps it takes a great leader(s) or brilliant mind(s) to be born into the population ? Obviously the Mayans seemed to have some type of influence, but from where ? Some countries have excelled due to the intelligence or creativity of their peoples. Such advancement is totally related to the qualities of the people in the given population. Wouldn't this be true for early populations ? Japan for example does quite well with limited resources. Japan being a people that once preffered to die than be fired from their job. Early man like the Egyptians in a desert accomplishing incredible feats had to have powerful drives. The desire to utilize broad scale slavery had a great effect on early civilization's advancement. Forcing slavery takes a certain type of humanity. Something to consider. Paleo occupation was clearly evident in Florida. IMO the earliest man since the last catastrophic natural disaster of which I am not allowed to divulge due to restrictions(i.e. Cave talk) placed by our modern culture. It sure seems apparent that Florida has plenty of human archeological evidence from the very beginning of man here in NA. Perhaps it is narrow minded to base early man's existence in NA by the Paleo spearheads but these spearheads continue to be on the bottom layer of archaeological digs at obviously desirable and unique sites from coast to coast. What else do we have for evidence from that period ? Man had to kill to live. He left a lithic record. He had leave such evidence to to survive at most locations. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 8, 2022 9:46:18 GMT -5
Gemfeller.......I too find the aspect of human population existing in the North America's, just after the last ice age, to be intriguing. Given what we understand the age of the Mayan, Aztec, Hopi to be much later than that of Paleo inhabitants. What caused the rise and fall of the civilization, where did their linage spread to, was it a one and done period of mankind evolution....it seems the deeper we dig, the more technology advances, the more questions are answered.........and even more questions arise...! After reading gemfeller's article about the trail of DNA things get real complex when understanding the distribution of humanity in early times. And this article does not address so many other peoples (distributed/travelled/created?) across the face of the world. It really is a puzzle that gets more complicated with research. Not to mention the physical attributes of various races of color, facial structure, stature, etc related to location that further complicates timing of migration if migration was in fact was the method of distribution. No DNA testing required to raise that question... Even Native North Americans have signature facial structures and stature that vary widely. One can look at the genealogical table of the descendants of Noah and find a variety of racial features and a distribution of migration directions/locations these different 'races?' of men travelled to. But how would the native people way over in the America's come into existence ? From the MidEast across Russia across the Aleutians all the way down to the tip of S America and become so variable in their various appearances ? Tough travels considering an ice age was likely involved. It is all very mysterious no matter how it is looked at as if it was not meant to not be figured out. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 8, 2022 10:05:12 GMT -5
The Mound Culture was impressive rmf and more so than most are aware. High intelligence levels does not necessarily leave evidence records behind. Is it intelligent to force slavery and spend time and effort building massive stone pyramids ? Hey, if you don't need a structure why build it ? There are much better ways to pass time and maintain a happy culture. Perhaps the Egyptians learned how to convert the highest percentage of their population to slaves than any civilization on earth. What type of living conditions and society could that produce ? Probably not so good excepting royalty(that has one concerned eye on that massive slave population lol) |
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Post by mohs on Aug 8, 2022 10:19:17 GMT -5
Excellent points made !
It is as much a mystery of why large agrarian settlements weren’t successful in NA;
as is the origins of those peoples
It really is strange
I’ve wondered about it for along time
The lack of metallurgy & beast of burden as been one hypothesis put forward
Was it the lack of the iron plow, and those beast of burdens to pull that plow that hindered an agrarian existence ?
Or was it just peoples
Accepting & being satisfied with a minimalist attitude towards just what the land offers?
Gobekli Tepe is a really contrast.
What caused those peoples—
which we what we assumed were hunter gathers—
to coalesce and cooperate to do major stone work?
Or even the cave art?
What possessed those people to go into dark caves with torches and create wall paintings?
All I can figure is they came to cognitive state of mind and wanted to leave a lasting records of their anceststor struggles
If were to accept the long evolutionary view that mankind first inundated & settled in the fertile crescent
Then that long long history may be the reason for wanting to record a historical record of those struggles.
It takes a long long time of inhabiting the land, plus just the right ecological conditions to congregate and build
Which then raises question about the America's?
Why didn’t those condition coalesced?
Which lends credence to the idea that these inhabitant were newcomers.
However they originated…
Altho the MesoAmerican civilizations kind of blow up my theory
Search on man
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Post by jamesp on Aug 8, 2022 11:48:07 GMT -5
Excellent points made ! It is as much a mystery of why large agrarian settlements weren’t successful in NA; as is the origins of those peoples It really is strange I’ve wondered about it for along time The lack of metallurgy & beast of burden as been one hypothesis put forward Was it the lack of the iron plow, and those beast of burdens to pull that plow that hindered an agrarian existence ? Or was it just peoples Accepting & being satisfied with a minimalist attitude towards just what the land offers? Gobekli Tepe is a really contrast. What caused those peoples— which we what we assumed were hunter gathers— to coalesce and cooperate to do major stone work? Or even the cave art? What possessed those people to go into dark caves with torches and create wall paintings? All I can figure is they came to cognitive state of mind and wanted to leave a lasting records of their anceststor struggles If were to accept the long evolutionary view that mankind first inundated & settled in the fertile crescent Then that long long history may be the reason for wanting to record a historical record of those struggles. It takes a long long time of inhabiting the land, plus just the right ecological conditions to congregate and build Which then raises question about the America's? Why didn’t those condition coalesced? Which lends credence to the idea that these inhabitant were newcomers. However they originated… Altho the MesoAmerican civilizations kind of blow up my theory Search on man The earth's history brings about so many questions but mankind's history presents another whole plethora of questions. It is amazing how broad people's opinions are on both subjects, telling that both subjects possess great complexity. Funny that one man with the right answer trumps the the knowledge of a panel of a 1000 brilliant scientists. But sad that the truth can rarely be proven when it come to ancient history. Especially when variation in time scale opinions are considered. Geology of the earth is particularly subject to varying opinions of wide time scale variations. It is so hard to prove long term epochs or was there a single short term catastrophe since we cannot prove accurate dating methods without time benchmarks to compare dating to. Fossil records can be interpreted in many different ways. How much time and energy has been invested in these subjects ? As of 1750 we have accumulated great faith in the epoch theories based on possibly nebulous dating methods. Sorry, another subject... Man's ancient history in NA as compared to man's ancient history around the world seems analogous in complexity as comparing earth's ancient history to that of the universe's ancient history even though we have the advantage to touch and analyze man's remains. |
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Post by pizzano on Aug 8, 2022 11:57:46 GMT -5
I am of the school of thought that upright walking, two legged intelligent and creative beings have populated "habitable" regions of this planet, long before what evidence we have found thus far, can indicate. If climate, natural resource and terrain could support and sustain animal life, two legged creatures may well have left foot-prints......regardless of the geological time frames that/those lives existed in......and physical, on foot, by land or sea migration, was not the only means by which these creatures traveled......simply following food sources, climate and traversable land or sea paths from continent to continent over/during great periods of time, makes no sense at all to me.........another subject for the Cave...?
As for the evolution of, or lack there-of, tools, structures and craft's of any sort, being left behind by theses travelers, as far back as mankind's history can be traced, necessity has always been the mother of invention............I don't believe it was any different for intelligent and creative two legged, upright beings, ages ago. Intervention was and has been inspired by influence and need all through mankind's history.......be it by the 1% over achievers of a particular tribe or outside influencers that were much more highly advanced, that took advantage of or exploited those manpower resources for their own benefit & needs.
I'll probably not be here long enough to have many of my questions answered by discovery, analysis and argument (which there will be plenty to come)........but those questions I have gained knowledge and insight into, thus far, have convinced me that much of the history of mankind's evolution, we can thus far identify, has many periods or gaps of acceleration and pause, that does/do not follow many of the natural event "time-frames" we have labeled. Leading me to believe that either our scale of time and occurrence needs to be re-tooled, or outside influence other than that of our own making, has played a major part in our evolution.......The later being more and more convincing to me.
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