Don
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Post by Don on Nov 7, 2012 19:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Nov 7, 2012 19:19:37 GMT -5
As if anything I said in the forum was ever considered valid by the righties anyway:). What's it like to be so consumed with hate Don?
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 7, 2012 19:35:45 GMT -5
Today's Secret Word is 'decorum'
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Post by paulshiroma on Nov 7, 2012 20:15:05 GMT -5
Ultimately, what's unfortunate here is that we can't discuss differences of opinions without:
1. Getting personal and attacking each other 2. Respecting each others opinions while agreeing to disagree and leaving it at that 3. Grossly overgeneralizing people
Just because we hold different viewpoints doesn't make the other person less valuable, less intelligent, less American, or less human.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 7, 2012 20:38:56 GMT -5
Helen, You won the bet, I owe you a box of slabs. PM your shipping address and I'll get it headed your way. I have them picked out, kinda had a feeling.
Lee
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Post by helens on Nov 7, 2012 22:26:51 GMT -5
Lee, it's OK:). I would not want a box of rocks under duress, it was a friendly bet jokingly made:).
Don, that was snippy and unkind of me. I implied you were a racist, and you may or may not be. And I think I should probably note that I do not hate racists anyway. I have friends who are racist, and friends who are gay, and friends who are incredibly devout and friends who are atheist.
We are all shaped by our lives and our experiences, and I don't presume to judge things about them that I don't understand. I pick my friends by one criteria, how they TREAT others and how they treat me, and how much I enjoy communicating with them. I know a woman who was raped, and does not trust men... ANY men. She's not gay, she's just fearful and mistrustful. I figure someday, she'll meet someone who will break that door down for her, and she'll learn to trust again. Is she a bad person because she stereotyped 1/2 the human race?
My mom hates the little lizards that run around everywhere in Florida. If one gets in her house, which happens a lot, this being Florida, she howls and calls me to go catch it. Those teeny things actually cause her terror and sleeplessness, even though they cannot hurt her. Will she get over it? I hope so. But if she doesn't, it doesn't change how I feel about her. People fear, hate, dislike things/people/places for reasons of their own, and til I've walked a mile in their shoes, I cannot understand, and so have no right to judge.
That said, there are people here on this forum who do not mind being called a racist, because they are. And even if I know they are, it doesn't change whether I like them or don't like them one bit. So coming from ME, it's not an insult anyway.
That said, you CANNOT pretend that there AREN'T people, maybe not you, who voted for Romney because they are racist. So maybe you should not get defensive about it. It's no more or less appalling for Christians to know that most gay people supported Obama. To some of those people (think Westboro Church), gays are hateful for breathing.
So if it makes you feel better, think of me as a gay person, even tho I'm not. Think of me as a woman who was raped, even tho I have not been. Think of me as a a kid who has no money to pay for school, but are smart enough to go, so I need the public dole to help me get a degree. Think of me as an unemployed person who needs food stamps to eat, and feed my young children. Or a retarded person who cannot tie my own shoes, and need continuous care. Or a cancer patient with no insurance. You know, a leech on society, sucking up money that should go to help corporations make their next trillion to sit in bank accounts gathering moss.
I am not ashamed to be associated with or thought of as any of these people, because I already know that they are part of who supported my side of the politics. And the surmise has been made here that I am, based on past conversations here if you followed them. So what? I chose this association, I'm not ashamed of it. You are the company you keep. Why would it offend me to be lumped with them if I have to be lumped? Why are you offended? You shouldn't be.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 7, 2012 23:39:13 GMT -5
For me there's no duress at all, no Post Election Stress Syndrome. My friend and representative is still in the house, she won by a landslide. The local matching funds levy for federal funding for the bridge to unaffordable tolls defeated by a HUGE margin. My state still has to approve tax measures by 2/3 vote. There's an upside to every election, and if things get too bad here on the left coast I'm sure Mel will let me move in. I didn't expect the guy I voted for to get elected, but he got the highest percentage of the vote ever for a Libertarian, so maybe in 50 or 60 more years... So after Jan20 it's: Post Inauguation Stress Syndrome?!?
Lee
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Post by paulshiroma on Nov 8, 2012 0:24:08 GMT -5
That was good, Lee...
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 0:35:50 GMT -5
The libertarians are really moving up in the political scene... we may well end up with 3 parties over the next 10 years, depending on whether the Republican party keeps going on their current trajectory.
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Post by christopherl1234 on Nov 8, 2012 0:50:10 GMT -5
Helen, I never made the assumption that Obama would force people to join the Union. I have no idea where you got that from. What I mentioned is what happened here where I am at as a consequence of the stimulus package. Non-union construction companies could not bid on government jobs....period...that is what happened....it put me out of work....I found another way to support my family...would have been illogical for me to sell my house and move to find work elsewhere in light that housing prices had hit rock bottom. I just did what a lot of Americans do.....dust ourselves off and continue on the best way we know......I also NEVER seen anywhere the suggestion that every American must join a Union to get a job. Not sure your motive for putting that out there.....as I said before I usually do not comment on political issues because things can get ugly and I really do not like to invest my time in pointless endeavors...have a great day.
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 1:25:20 GMT -5
Helen, I never made the assumption that Obama would force people to join the Union. I have no idea where you got that from. What I mentioned is what happened here where I am at as a consequence of the stimulus package. Non-union construction companies could not bid on government jobs....period...that is what happened....it put me out of work....I found another way to support my family...would have been illogical for me to sell my house and move to find work elsewhere in light that housing prices had hit rock bottom. I just did what a lot of Americans do.....dust ourselves off and continue on the best way we know......I also NEVER seen anywhere the suggestion that every American must join a Union to get a job. Not sure your motive for putting that out there.....as I said before I usually do not comment on political issues because things can get ugly and I really do not like to invest my time in pointless endeavors...have a great day. Chris, I thought you were saying that the stimulus only benefited Unions and that that hurt people who were non-Union. Basically that if you wanted work, you MUST join a Union or get no work from the stimulus, implying that the stimulus only benefited Unions. Apparently, I read more into what you said than you intended. However, I looked it up... and whether you said it or not, it was right. Stimulus money DID mandate the use of Labor Unions in 2009!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Labor_AgreementOn February 6, 2009, President Barack Obama signed executive order 13502,[1] which urges federal agencies to consider mandating the use of PLAs on federal construction projects costing $25 million or more on a case-by-case basis.[28] This act served to revoke the Bush executive orders 13202 and 13208 from eight years earlier that prohibited government-mandated PLAs on federal and federally funded construction projects.[29]
The Obama order states that federal agencies can require a PLA if such an agreement will achieve federal goals in economy and efficiency. According to the terms of the order, non-union contractors may compete for contracts subject to PLAs, but they must agree to the various terms and conditions contained in each PLA in order to win a federal contract and build a project.[15]
A key change from the 2001 order is that by repealing the Bush orders, the Obama order permits recipients of federal funding, such as state, local and private construction owners, to mandate PLAs on public works projects of any size. However, the order does not encourage or mandate recipients of federal assistance to use a government-mandated PLA.[15]
With the February 2009 stimulus bill allocating approximately $140 billion for federal, state and local construction projects,[30][31] battles over government-mandated PLAs on public works projects from 2009 to 2011 have been widespread at the state and local government level.
Government officials and legislators have clashed over using PLA mandates on projects in states including Iowa,[32] Oregon,[33] Ohio,[34] California,[35] and others.[36][37]
Individual communities have voted on whether to prohibit mandatory PLA use for government projects, including ballot initiatives in Chula Vista, Oceanside,[38] and in San Diego County, California in 2010, which resulted in officials being prohibited from mandating or prohibiting the use of PLAs for government projects.[39]
In 2011, contractors filed bid protests with the Government Accountability Office against government mandated PLAs for construction projects in New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. These protests led to federal PLA mandates being removed from project solicitations in each case.[40]
As of July 2011, through legislation or by executive order issued by the state governor, the following states have banned the requirement that PLAs be used for government funded construction projects: Arkansas, Arizona, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Tennessee, and Utah.[41][42][43]
States with executive orders, or that have enacted legislation authorizing or encouraging the use of PLAs on public projects include Illinois,[44] New Jersey,[45] New York and Washington State.[46] I had never heard of this issue before. Based on what happened to you, and the fighting over it, it seems an incredibly stupid idea. We don't see it here in Florida because our Republican Governor refused all stimulus from the Fed. That's why we had 84,000 homeless children sleeping in public parks while our Republican Governor was sending 1.5 billion stimulus dollars back that could have employed those children's parents, and saved the Gov't the food stamps and welfare they had to survive on. Thanks for bringing this up, I didn't know a thing about it. AND, I don't agree with it at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 8:49:17 GMT -5
Don and Don, since you personally attacked me I am going to have to say that the first Don is stupid and the second is a stupid follower. The republicans have said that they are willing to work with the president to try to fix things. I said nothing about falling in line like sheep. I said that we need to work together no matter who is president. All you want to do is sit and piss and moan about the outcome and fear monger that we are all about to die. It sounds to me like you are the ones that want to go out and commit mass murder to get what you want. All I can say is that it is a damn good thing that you are not as charismatic as Hitler was so you could pull us down into nothing but a warring nation. You do not want America to be "One Nation Under God". You want America bow to your commands good or bad. I am wondering how you got so damn intelligent that you are positive your way is the best way. Hate will get you no where unless YOU ARE HITLER and you can see what road he ended up going down. Too bad you are not a 1941 Jew so you could experience first hand what hate is all about.
Get yourself some of that really nice smelling incense, surround yourself with flowers, relax in an easy chair, breath deeply "BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL IN A COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN STILL DO THAT".
Too bad that stupid is not reversable. Jim 432 1st Ave N Greybull WY 82426
If you want to start by killing people there is your chance. Just leave the women and children out of it because they are not responsible for my actions.
I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.
I just thought that repetition might cure your affliction. Jim
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 8, 2012 9:30:56 GMT -5
LOL Mr. Brown! You are Ballsey, but I would encourage you to remove your address ASAP.
You may get on a few mailing lists . . . and you have made it easy for people to invade your privacy.
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 9:50:15 GMT -5
Everyone that wants it can get my address anytime they want it. My email address is not hidden because who ever wants it can get it anyway. There are no secrets on the internet. If you want to become anonymous now days you have to go back to snail mail. If you want your business to do good it is pretty much necessary to be on the internet and post your address. Someone can buy something from you and get a return address. My post office will not take a package without a return address. If you have a return policy someone can buy, complain and you have to send a return address to stay in business. The only secrets are between you and your wife if she is a good one. lol I had one on the other side of the fence. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 9:58:07 GMT -5
By the way Bill, I have your address. It was easy because someone trusted me. Just about anyone can gain someone's trust. But rest assured that the trust was honest and will go no further. A long time ago I said I was going to send something to you and I had forgotten. Maybe it will be a Christmas present. lol Jim
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 8, 2012 10:15:47 GMT -5
Jim, I know that you have it, and whom gave it to you. She also has my cell number. I had to give up my personal info to someone I normally would not, to participate in a forum function hosted by said person.. However, I like her as a person, and made a judgement call at the time. Life is full of risks, and to live well it is true that sometimes we must trust in good faith. In this case, I am unconcerned, as I make my calls based on what I think lies beneath a persons facade.
Bill
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 11:45:26 GMT -5
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 11:48:30 GMT -5
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 11:55:36 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 12:34:21 GMT -5
Um... Jim, we're just arguing on the forum, and I honestly don't think anyone here is going to harm anyone else. It really is post-election disappointment. Over time, we will see what happens. NONE of us are directly responsible for what happened. And whether any of us like it or not, no one got 100% of their side voted in anyway. The House ended up Republican obstructionist AGAIN, with the same obstructionists back in office. For the Republicans, that's a victory I guess, more fiscal fighting.
But I think Bill's right, you should remove your address. NOT because anyone who wanted to look couldn't find it, because they can. But because there's robots that crawl forums for emails and addresses to dump spam on you!!
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