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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 12, 2016 19:05:00 GMT -5
I was thinking about you Ed. I know you are in the tire biz. Got back from the hospital 2AM this morn. I will be fine, but may loose the end of my pinky finger, maybe the next one too. I ran into my sister in law. Her Bmw had a flat. I started changing the rear wheel in the parking lot of CVS drug store. The jack did not raise the car quite enough. I reached into the spokes of the wheel to yank the wheel off. Unfortunately I also grabbed the disc brake rotor and pulled the wheel off the lugs but also pulled it off the jack. The rotor landed on the tip of my fingers inside the wheel along with the weight of the car. It took about 5 minutes to get a bunch of people to lift the car off my fingers. Not sure I ever felt so much pain. Got a photo, most of the damage is internal. I was certain that the sharp edged rotor cut all my finger tips off. Please be cautious. morphine feels good but will wear off. gonna be some pain in my future. Doc expects 100% recovery, 40% chance loosing pinky tip. Dude, dude, dude....man, that hurts me...I can only imagine how it felt/feels!!!!!!! Those had to have been some of the longest minutes in your life!!!! Vehicles on jacks are death-traps waiting to happen. Did the jack simply flop over sideways or buckle? Those little jacks just can't take any lateral movement. Good thing it stopped and trapped your fingers rather than sliding off and possibly leaving all the tips behind the rotor. Man, I really feel for you James...that's some pain right there and that pinky looks mighty nasty! I'd rather have creamed all my fingers with the orange villain that have that happen to you. I'm glad the doctor said it looks like a full recovery, just take care of the cuts and keep'em clean...no grunging around in the mud for exotic tubers in some swamp slated for "development". Oh, and Vitamin-C....take enough to give you slight diarrhea and then back off the amount a tad...keep taking that dose until your fingers are healed. Vitamin-C is fantastic for healing. The dosage calculation came from an old college professor back in the 50's (shared with me via one of his students who ended up being an optometrist). Thanks for sharing and the caution refresher. Yeah, I tend to get complacent at times, gotta quit doing that...one tire blowing off the rim or a jack dropping and it's not nearly as fun anymore. I run into problems sometimes where galvanic corrosion will stick a wheel to the hub and it takes a big hammer and *several* swings from the back side to get it off....jack stands come out for those delightful times. Really, I'll heed your warning. I've already said a prayer for healing and will continue to keep you in my prayers. Take care of yourself, James, take it easy for a few days...them ain't paper cuts!!!!! broseph82
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:13:53 GMT -5
I was thinking about you Ed. I know you are in the tire biz. Got back from the hospital 2AM this morn. I will be fine, but may loose the end of my pinky finger, maybe the next one too. I ran into my sister in law. Her Bmw had a flat. I started changing the rear wheel in the parking lot of CVS drug store. The jack did not raise the car quite enough. I reached into the spokes of the wheel to yank the wheel off. Unfortunately I also grabbed the disc brake rotor and pulled the wheel off the lugs but also pulled it off the jack. The rotor landed on the tip of my fingers inside the wheel along with the weight of the car. It took about 5 minutes to get a bunch of people to lift the car off my fingers. Not sure I ever felt so much pain. Got a photo, most of the damage is internal. I was certain that the sharp edged rotor cut all my finger tips off. Please be cautious. morphine feels good but will wear off. gonna be some pain in my future. Doc expects 100% recovery, 40% chance loosing pinky tip. Dude, dude, dude....man, that hurts me...I can only imagine how it felt/feels!!!!!!! Those had to have been some of the longest minutes in your life!!!! Vehicles on jacks are death-traps waiting to happen. Did the jack simply flop over sideways or buckle? Those little jacks just can't take any lateral movement. Good thing it stopped and trapped your fingers rather than sliding off and possibly leaving all the tips behind the rotor. Man, I really feel for you James...that's some pain right there and that pinky looks mighty nasty! I'd rather have creamed all my fingers with the orange villain that have that happen to you. I'm glad the doctor said it looks like a full recovery, just take care of the cuts and keep'em clean...no grunging around in the mud for exotic tubers in some swamp slated for "development". Oh, and Vitamin-C....take enough to give you slight diarrhea and then back off the amount a tad...keep taking that dose until your fingers are healed. Vitamin-C is fantastic for healing. The dosage calculation came from an old college professor back in the 50's (shared with me via one of his students who ended up being an optometrist). Thanks for sharing and the caution refresher. Yeah, I tend to get complacent at times, gotta quit doing that...one tire blowing off the rim or a jack dropping and it's not nearly as fun anymore. I run into problems sometimes where galvanic corrosion will stick a wheel to the hub and it takes a big hammer and *several* swings from the back side to get it off....jack stands come out for those delightful times. Really, I'll heed your warning. I've already said a prayer for healing and will continue to keep you in my prayers. Take care of yourself, James, take it easy for a few days...them ain't paper cuts!!!!! broseph82If you are pointing to Linus Pauling and his Vitamin C advocacy, he has been discredited. By one of his own students, in his own lab. Be careful with high dose vitamin C.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2016 19:25:31 GMT -5
Intheswamp All I can say Ed is someone was looking out for me. Never ever felt such pain. Thanks for your concerns and recommendations. i know you have seen it all. Those cheap jacks DO NOT take lateral movement et al. And I knew that. I was being sloppy. First time in 30 years I ever got hurt bad doing heavy work. I have been working close to 3 that died and a dozen limb losses over the years. I knew better. Oddly, I am on cloud 9 today thankful that my babies are still there.
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 12, 2016 20:07:25 GMT -5
Intheswamp All I can say Ed is someone was looking out for me. Never ever felt such pain. Thanks for your concerns and recommendations. i know you have seen it all. Those cheap jacks DO NOT take lateral movement et al. And I knew that. I was being sloppy. First time in 30 years I ever got hurt bad doing heavy work. I have been working close to 3 that died and a dozen limb losses over the years. I knew better. Oddly, I am on cloud 9 today thankful that my babies are still there. James, I wasn't going to give you any "you should've's", I figured you've been around the block a time or two. That's the problem we have, we're at the age where we've been there, done that, and we take things for granted and, as you said, we get sloppy. Keep the dirt/grime/crap away from the wounds. You'll naturally keep them clean/covered initially, but after they've been healing nicely keep some heavy bandaids on them when your working...busting a healing scab off isn't good. Yep, be thankful you still got'em! And take the pain meds...that's what they make'em for!!!! Even if they might make you a little .<grin> @shotgunner, thanks for the response. Dang, I guess I need to look into what happens when you take too much Vit-C. Seems it's always helps me with cuts and scrapes. The professor I referred to taught at the University of Alabama @ Birmingham medical school. The optometrist said the professor told him and the students to make a note of any cuts or scrapes and too take the high-dose Vit-C and record how long it took to heal. The following quarter/semester/? the professor told the students not to take the Vit-C but to still record the time it took to heal. It took over twice as long for wounds to heal without the Vit-C. I don't know if somehow it was all in the students heads or what. I guess it's all in my head. But, no, I don't know of the person you referred to but thanks for bringing it up and stirring me to do some more research.
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Post by snuffy on Mar 12, 2016 20:13:01 GMT -5
Dang James,I just got in from out of town.Know that's gonna be painful.Take care.
snuffy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by Jugglerguy on Mar 12, 2016 20:30:53 GMT -5
Holy crap that looks painful. The only thing I've done that comes close to that is hitting my thumb nail really hard with a hammer. I lost the nail, but it didn't look anything like that. I can't believe you're still typing. I'm guessing you're going at about half the speed.
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Post by broseph82 on Mar 12, 2016 21:13:43 GMT -5
Intheswamp All I can say Ed is someone was looking out for me. Never ever felt such pain. Thanks for your concerns and recommendations. i know you have seen it all. Those cheap jacks DO NOT take lateral movement et al. And I knew that. I was being sloppy. First time in 30 years I ever got hurt bad doing heavy work. I have been working close to 3 that died and a dozen limb losses over the years. I knew better. Oddly, I am on cloud 9 today thankful that my babies are still there. Thank goodness you have 5 extras
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 21:25:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the good wishes Scott. Hey, I would prefer a shop press like that but got to have a motor and hydraulic pump. They are made commonly, but get sort of industrial in price. Out of many, cheapest unit on Ebay at $3000 vs $299 for log splitter(must be modified). Go figure. What is the throw on a log splitter? Might be the most excellent way to get all the hydraulic parts needed to convert a saw to hydraulic feed. The only thing important is the soze of the ram and the throw. Hmmm..... Wheels turning. ETA From an eBay listing Horsepower 1.8 hp Maximum Diameter 10 in. Length 38 in. Width 11 in, Tire size 6 in. Travel length 0 to 17 in. Weight 110.80 lbs Travel length seems long for even a 24" saw. But, if the rM is short enough when compressed, a chain can be rigged to turn off impeller when rock is cut. Hmmm....
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 12, 2016 21:40:18 GMT -5
Are you at least playing it for extra attention from the wife? I would be if I had one. Knowing your work ethic you will be out making fire pits tomorrow.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 13, 2016 0:15:54 GMT -5
Thanks much bushmanbilly. Oilpatch saying adds to caution awareness. Fingers do sting. There is a 1000 ways to lose your fingers on a rig. Pitch points are the leading cause of injuries in the oilfield.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2016 4:34:44 GMT -5
Holy crap that looks painful. The only thing I've done that comes close to that is hitting my thumb nail really hard with a hammer. I lost the nail, but it didn't look anything like that. I can't believe you're still typing. I'm guessing you're going at about half the speed. Index finger escaped injury Rob, typing speed unchanged. Still pecking away as usual. Seen people smash their finger with a hammer and loose their nail. Those guys were in intense pain. The doc said smashing fingers is absolute pain. But cutting them off is relatively painless since it severs the nerves.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2016 4:42:06 GMT -5
Thanks much bushmanbilly. Oilpatch saying adds to caution awareness. Fingers do sting. There is a 1000 ways to lose your fingers on a rig. Pitch points are the leading cause of injuries in the oilfield. That drill connecting operation looks like a hand/finger eating operation. And handling chains like y'all do. Looked like a lot of timing concerns, rotating machinery and pinch points are bad combo.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2016 4:48:09 GMT -5
Dang James,I just got in from out of town.Know that's gonna be painful.Take care. snuffy I think the fingers are going to be OK snuffy. Just angry that I was careless enough to put my hand in a situation like that. When the nurse asks you what happened and turns pale when you describe the accident you know it had to hurt LOL.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2016 5:32:26 GMT -5
@shotgunner
I guess log splitters are high competition import item. Motor + hydraulic pump + control valve + cylinder for $299 is insanely cheap. Easy to spend that much on any one of those components.
Me not a hydraulic master. Must look at that log splitter and see if TEE's can be installed for pressure gauge and flow control(if not supplied). Log splitters are made to operate under all kinds of side and impulse loads. Way overbuilt allowing welding of additional work surfaces. Darn sure don't need 20 tons for intentions. Hopefully it has a pressure bypass adjustment. My wife wants me to cold form elliptical/parabolic/spherical copper and brass lamp shades, light canopies, ceiling pans, etc. So have other uses for it.
I knew a guy that had a couple of old punch presses and spit penny parts out at a rate at like 1 part per second. At a penny profit per second is $36/hour. He rarely checked on those machines. They are low maintenance. He made good money with 2 presses. Funny business that guy had.
As far as a good saw cylinder:
Surplus Center-small (1.75")diameter cylinder, 1" rod with 23 inch stroke $70. item 9-7158 They have some 1" cylinders too.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2016 5:39:22 GMT -5
Intheswamp. Using these fingers as much as possible. They wrapped them too tight and cut circulation. Worse thing to do. Off with their bandages immediately. Vitamins supplied by eating well. Traditional gumbo mix. Tuna and herring. Fruits, milk.
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Post by radio on Mar 13, 2016 7:51:08 GMT -5
Intheswamp . Using these fingers as much as possible. They wrapped them too tight and cut circulation. Worse thing to do. Off with their bandages immediately. Vitamins supplied by eating well. Traditional gumbo mix. Tuna and herring. Fruits, milk. Gumbo? This summer I plan on making my own Filé powder. You want some?
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 13, 2016 8:23:51 GMT -5
Intheswamp . Using these fingers as much as possible. They wrapped them too tight and cut circulation. Worse thing to do. Off with their bandages immediately. Vitamins supplied by eating well. Traditional gumbo mix. Tuna and herring. Fruits, milk. Gotcha on the bandage being too tight. "Is that ok?" asks the nurse as you're sitting there somewhat in shock, in pain, and not sure how tight is too tight.<duh> Yeah, it's odd when you put something as simple as a bandaid on and start feeling a throbbing that you didn't have before...there's your sign!!! Good to use it, but be careful about reopening the wounds. Your bowl of vitamins look delicious...that'll work, beef up on the Vit-C goodies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 9:20:25 GMT -5
@shotgunner I guess log splitters are high competition import item. Motor + hydraulic pump + control valve + cylinder for $299 is insanely cheap. Easy to spend that much on any one of those components. Me not a hydraulic master. Must look at that log splitter and see if TEE's can be installed for pressure gauge and flow control(if not supplied). Log splitters are made to operate under all kinds of side and impulse loads. Way overbuilt allowing welding of additional work surfaces. Darn sure don't need 20 tons for intentions. Hopefully it has a pressure bypass adjustment. My wife wants me to cold form elliptical/parabolic/spherical copper and brass lamp shades, light canopies, ceiling pans, etc. So have other uses for it. I knew a guy that had a couple of old punch presses and spit penny parts out at a rate at like 1 part per second. At a penny profit per second is $36/hour. He rarely checked on those machines. They are low maintenance. He made good money with 2 presses. Funny business that guy had. As far as a good saw cylinder: Surplus Center-small (1.75")diameter cylinder, 1" rod with 23 inch stroke $70. item 9-7158 They have some 1" cylinders too. It just means hydraulic parts are overpriced. Yeah, I'm considering the concept of using another RAM. 23" stroke prolly too long for a 24" saw. At class they use a basic brass bypass valve and have a pressure gauge on the RAM side of the bypass valve. They marked the bezel where it runs good. 8" cut of jasper like 10-12 minutes. Marble faster. same pressure no matter material asks diamonds to easily work within limitations.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 13, 2016 11:17:08 GMT -5
James if you want a press, buy the real deal. Your not splitting wood. The pressure that the ram puts on your work material also applies to the structure holding the ram. A good press is one of the handiest tools in any shop. From replacing U-joints to removing a seized pulley from a shaft.
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