notjustone
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Post by notjustone on Jun 14, 2017 11:59:55 GMT -5
I didn't think of that the old baked on enamel or was it laquer finishes. probably lots of non automotive painting operations as most places that repaint cars vs assembly line painting wont have shelves or hanging apparatus for layers to get built up on.
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Post by MrP on Jun 14, 2017 12:41:12 GMT -5
Yes it does, 1 coat over a long period o time. I have been trying to make Fordite for about 3 years now. Spray paint may work the best but at a great cost. Even when the paint is very dry it is not cured. When using a paint brush with liquid paint it takes a loooooong time to dry. I even tried using an oven, paints cooks at low temp, and heat lamps which didn't work so great either. A lot of work and not near the quality as the real Fordite....................................MrP The drying process may be the key MrP jamesp Yes it is. Time & $................................MrP
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Fossilman
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 14, 2017 13:22:42 GMT -5
I have Fordite,didn't know you could tumble it...Never tried I guess,because of the price of the material..... Always great to see someone experimenting materials.That's how we discover things....Two thumbs up
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notjustone
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Post by notjustone on Jun 14, 2017 22:49:00 GMT -5
The drying process may be the key MrP jamesp Yes it is. Time & $................................MrP now with todays paints being 2 part urethanes you take the heat out of the equation with catalysts. but the cost is gonna be through the roof.
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Post by orrum on Jun 15, 2017 8:58:37 GMT -5
Ford used a lot of Emron. It's airplane paint. I had a 1984 4x4 truck that was two tone teal grean. Wanted my horse trailer painted to mstch. Went to the automotive paint p k ace and ordered enough mixed to exactly match the truck by its serial number. Oops!!! LOL. I got a gallon of the dark green and a quart of the lite green. I don't remember the cost but it was way up there!!! Guy said it was Emron. I said man you should told me first, he said I ordered exaxtly matched.
Story gets worse.... A gallon of paintball not paint a horse trailer inside and out ..... Had to get another gallon of dark green and two quarts of lite green. I bought the trsiler as insurance salvage for $300, it jumped the hitch snd hit a tree. I did the work myself and wound up with a grest two horse trailer but it would have been cheaper to buy one used ready to go!!! LOL
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 15, 2017 10:30:46 GMT -5
Ford used a lot of Emron. It's airplane paint. I had a 1984 4x4 truck that was two tone teal grean. Wanted my horse trailer painted to mstch. Went to the automotive paint p k ace and ordered enough mixed to exactly match the truck by its serial number. Oops!!! LOL. I got a gallon of the dark green and a quart of the lite green. I don't remember the cost but it was way up there!!! Guy said it was Emron. I said man you should told me first, he said I ordered exaxtly matched. Story gets worse.... A gallon of paintball not paint a horse trailer inside and out ..... Had to get another gallon of dark green and two quarts of lite green. I bought the trsiler as insurance salvage for $300, it jumped the hitch snd hit a tree. I did the work myself and wound up with a grest two horse trailer but it would have been cheaper to buy one used ready to go!!! LOL Na',it's always better to get a piece of equipment fixed up,like you did... A guy appreciates it more!! Old school,only way to get things done my friend!!! I bet it looked great when you finished the project!
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Post by orrum on Jun 15, 2017 17:51:05 GMT -5
Hey I was hot stuff!!! My trailer matched and so did my pickup topper!!!
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Post by Peruano on Jun 16, 2017 7:00:55 GMT -5
You could skip the Fordite and go straight to bowlerite (bowling balls at yard sales are $1 - 5 apiece).
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 16, 2017 8:19:58 GMT -5
Ford used a lot of Emron. It's airplane paint. I had a 1984 4x4 truck that was two tone teal grean. Wanted my horse trailer painted to mstch. Went to the automotive paint p k ace and ordered enough mixed to exactly match the truck by its serial number. Oops!!! LOL. I got a gallon of the dark green and a quart of the lite green. I don't remember the cost but it was way up there!!! Guy said it was Emron. I said man you should told me first, he said I ordered exaxtly matched. Story gets worse.... A gallon of paintball not paint a horse trailer inside and out ..... Had to get another gallon of dark green and two quarts of lite green. I bought the trsiler as insurance salvage for $300, it jumped the hitch snd hit a tree. I did the work myself and wound up with a grest two horse trailer but it would have been cheaper to buy one used ready to go!!! LOL Been there ,done that a time or two. Never can save money when you are spending money. No two toned trailer then?? And a topper to match.. Bet the horse swere proud to jump in that rig..
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Post by orrum on Jun 16, 2017 10:26:55 GMT -5
Yea that's back in the day, single, horses, boat, snowmobile....Had all them man toys! LOL. Now I got tons of rocks...
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huskeric
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Post by huskeric on Jun 19, 2017 15:36:15 GMT -5
What you're making is technically "Krylonite." I think there are some challenges you're going to face on this. First, true Fordite is created by spray, then bake, repeat. The bake piece is where you're going to probably have trouble. I don't know if you will ever get enough layers to make substantial thickness cured in your lifetime. Next, the Fordite that is my favorite to work with has many variations in shape, etc. That's what gives it all of its patterns, etc. If you're using spray paint that is stuff you already have, then this is a fun experiment, and you're not really out anything, but if you buy six cans of spray paint, and they're roughly $5 each, you'd be money ahead buying some real Fordite on eBay, and you'll save yourself a TON of time.
I don't want to stifle creativity by any means, but I don't want you to waste time unnecessarily.
As for auto body shops, they probably do build up SOME Fordite over time, but real Fordite is (was) formed by the overspray when auto bodies were mounted onto rail cars, rolled into paint booths, then baked. When you think about the number of cars that are manufactured, the scale is so much greater in a manufacturing facility than in ANY auto body shop, even if it's in near-constant operation.
I don't want to have anyone go out and buy all of the Fordite that I may some day want to purchase, but just go out onto eBay and spend $30, you'll get enough to make some cool stuff, and I promise you won't regret it.
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Post by huskeric on Jun 19, 2017 15:43:25 GMT -5
You could skip the Fordite and go straight to bowlerite (bowling balls at yard sales are $1 - 5 apiece). I have done both a good bit, and I agree. HOWEVER... Cutting up a bowling ball into chunks is no small task. I have done about 5 or six and doing the rough cut isn't bad, except for the GIGANTIC mess it makes, but then you have wedges that are 80% core and 20% cover, and separating the two is hours of work. If you have a bandsaw, that would make the task much simpler, but I've tried an angle grinder, circular saw, any number of hand saws, and even just a big hammer, and it is a LOT of labor to get to where you have usable slabs of bowlerite. That said, if you don't mind the work (and the mess), you can get into it very economically, and I would venture that you could sell/trade enough material to make it worth your while. You can make about 3,000,000 cabs, keychains, pendants, etc. from one bowling ball, and you will very likely get bored working with the same color long enough to use an entire ball. I would say about 1/4 of a ball will give you PLENTY of material to make just about everything you would want from any given color. Have fun!!! Some photos of my bowlerite, Fordite and surfite rough
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Post by 1dave on Jun 19, 2017 17:01:18 GMT -5
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huskeric
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Post by huskeric on Jun 19, 2017 17:06:17 GMT -5
You can find a TON of awesome bowling balls on eBay, but the shipping will KILL you. I bought one and it was $13 plus $27 shipping.
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notjustone
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Post by notjustone on Jun 19, 2017 22:46:12 GMT -5
another thing to think about is that each color layer may have been days of shooting that same color over and over. so you would have to shoot each color for days to get the thickness in the bands.
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 19, 2017 22:53:00 GMT -5
You could skip the Fordite and go straight to bowlerite (bowling balls at yard sales are $1 - 5 apiece). I have done both a good bit, and I agree. HOWEVER... Cutting up a bowling ball into chunks is no small task. I have done about 5 or six and doing the rough cut isn't bad, except for the GIGANTIC mess it makes, but then you have wedges that are 80% core and 20% cover, and separating the two is hours of work. If you have a bandsaw, that would make the task much simpler, but I've tried an angle grinder, circular saw, any number of hand saws, and even just a big hammer, and it is a LOT of labor to get to where you have usable slabs of bowlerite. That said, if you don't mind the work (and the mess), you can get into it very economically, and I would venture that you could sell/trade enough material to make it worth your while. You can make about 3,000,000 cabs, keychains, pendants, etc. from one bowling ball, and you will very likely get bored working with the same color long enough to use an entire ball. I would say about 1/4 of a ball will give you PLENTY of material to make just about everything you would want from any given color. Have fun!!! Some photos of my bowlerite, Fordite and surfite roughThink freezing a ball and then dropping it onto concrete might work? Freezing one and hitting it a couple times with high velocity 30 or 50 caliber?
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Post by toiv0 on Jun 20, 2017 2:23:11 GMT -5
wait until January and its 45 below.
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Post by MrMike on Jun 20, 2017 4:10:52 GMT -5
wait until January and its 45 below. Don't want to drop your balls when it's that cold, would even scare the brass monkey.
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Post by huskeric on Jun 20, 2017 8:38:29 GMT -5
wait until January and its 45 below. Don't want to drop your balls when it's that cold, would even scare the brass monkey. I don't like where this is headed... Wait, yeah, I kinda do. =) I'm not sure you could freeze that material enough to make it brittle enough to shatter or break apart. Even more, you would freeze the cover and not the core, and while you could use that to break off shards, you would likely end up wasting most of the bowling ball. A REALLY large bandsaw would probably be the best, simply because the blade would be so thin and you wouldn't have nearly as much dust, etc. as you do when using a 3/8" circular saw. Even a jig on a tile saw with a thin diamond sintered blade would work pretty well. Oh, and one other cautionary tale, I have tried multiple times and ways to try to heat and then flatten out the parabola in the material, and I have only succeeded in breaking it. I think you would have to take it pretty much back to its liquid state and then pour it into a form, and at that point, you've more or less created something that isn't bowlerite any longer.
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 20, 2017 9:22:14 GMT -5
Good advice Huskeric. LMAO at all you other guys too, Mike, Toivo, et.al.
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