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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 9:49:53 GMT -5
The skeptics are finally figuring out the truth about global warming but the stupid nay sayers that do not have a scientific clue are still going to deny, deny, deny. Maybe we need to use the 2 X 4 on the mules head trick to get their attention. Humans have screwed up just about everything else on the planet yet they can not believe that they could possibly have anything to do with the climate. I'll bet they will believe when they, their children or their grand children starve to death. We are not destroying the planet, it will survive, we are destroying ourselves. Jim news.yahoo.com/former-global-warming-skeptic-makes-total-turnaround-113037588.html
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Post by itsandbits on Jul 31, 2012 9:57:58 GMT -5
Now you've started it Jim; I've seen how the vocal minority snows these discussions in on other forums but I'll say right up front HEAR HEAR, and there is a now old saying; if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, that still applies. It takes 1000-1500 years for the salt cooling cycle that regulates the ocean temperatures to do one circuit so what we are sowing now is unstoppable till then. Many more time bombs are being fused by us right now, we are doing this to our own children!
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Post by parfive on Jul 31, 2012 10:00:49 GMT -5
Kiss my ass. This is a holy site for the polish people. Show some respect. .
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 31, 2012 10:37:17 GMT -5
Well, that's a relief! Glad them fellers figgered that out fer us. When it gets hot, it's Global Warming, when it gets cold or there is a hurricane, it's Climate Change. And as these swings never happened before man had fossil fuels it is obviously our fault, and we should immediately take drastic corrective measures that will crash the world's economies and starve us (the pestilence) out. Now, what to do with the 31,487 American scientists (Heretics) who have signed this petition disavowing the Koyoto Agreement and all similar proposals. (including 9,029 with PhDs) www.petitionproject.org/P.S. Just because I don't buy into the Pseudo-science that was derived from doctored data that does not mean that I am a climate hater. I do believe we need to explore alternate fuels, but via the private sector, and as fuel is closely tied to the economy it seems obvious that we need to stabilize our economies before making any radical changes. And then only after all radical political agendas have been forced out of the process. Though I live in a rural state, I only drive several thousand miles a year. I am frugal with water use, though I live where it all comes from. I believe in living responsibly, and part of that is not being duped into accepting the suicidal proposals being touted as imminently necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -5
quote P.S. Just because I don't buy into the Pseudo-science that was derived from doctored data that does not mean that I am a climate hater. I do believe we need to explore alternate fuels, but via the private sector, and as fuel is closely tied to the economy it seems obvious that we need to stabilize our economies before making any radical changes. And then only after all radical political agendas have been forced out of the process. hahaha And when do you think that is going to happen? Two sides divided will never accomplish anything at any time. I put off changing the timing belt on my mini van. Sure enough, the engine blew up and now I have to drive my Jeep that gets 12 mpg. I have the option of buying gas or another vehicle. Boy, I wish I would not have put that off. My descendants will not have such an easy fix. WHY take the chance. Jim
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Post by itsandbits on Jul 31, 2012 14:54:31 GMT -5
As they are freed to actually speak their minds, more and more people will actually admit there is an issue and because we are the ones creating the problem; we should be taking the hit for it too. Don't pass it on to your children. It's our blind insistance on living beyond the capacity of the planet to support it that is the problem. I will restate my remark about the problem and solution.
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Post by geoff on Jul 31, 2012 15:18:42 GMT -5
It was 84 on Saturday, and 79 on Sunday in Deadhorse, AK. It's been over 70 more days here than Anchorage.
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 31, 2012 16:00:55 GMT -5
So I guess one should not let the desire for factually accurate data get in the way of rushing to judgement. This article is 2 days old, irrelevant, I'm sure to the true believers. Devastating blow to temperature records in U.S.; Temp trends 'spuriously doubled' (Spuriously: Lacking authenticity or validity in essence or origin; not genuine; false.) www.examiner.com/article/devasting-blow-to-temperature-records-u-s-temp-trends-spuriously-doubledAnthony Watts, who runs the popular science blog Watts Up With That?, has come out with a breathtaking bare-knuckle press release that will shake the science community's faith in ground-based temperatures to the core: 'New analysis demonstrates that reported 1979-2008 U.S. temperature trends are spuriously doubled'. In short, Mr. Watts et al write, "The new analysis demonstrates that reported 1979-2008 U.S. temperature trends are spuriously doubled, with 92% of that over-estimation resulting from erroneous NOAA adjustments of well-sited stations upward. The paper is the first to use the updated siting system which addresses USHCN siting issues and data adjustments." What Mr. Watts and co-author Evan Jones have shown is that half of the warming trend has disappeared because 92% of the so-called rise was caused by "erroneous adjustments of well sited stations". Dr. Richard Muller et al used an older siting classification system. Muller also wrote a NYT op-ed piece stating the rise in temperatures was caused by greenhouse gas emissions. However, this new classification system shows that siting does have a major impact on the data. Other findings by Mr. Watts et al include, but are not limited to: · Statistically significant differences between compliant and non-compliant stations exist, as well as urban and rural stations. · Poorly sited station trends are adjusted sharply upward, and well sited stations are adjusted upward to match the already-adjusted poor stations. Well sited rural stations show a warming nearly three times greater after NOAA adjustment is applied. · Urban sites warm more rapidly than semi-urban sites, which in turn warm more rapidly than rural sites. · The raw data T-mean trend for well sited stations is 0.15°C per decade lower than adjusted T-mean trend for poorly sited stations. · Airport USHCN stations show a significant differences in trends than other USHCN stations, and due to equipment issues and other problems, may not be representative stations for monitoring climate. Mr. Watts et al promise to continue investigating "other issues related to bias and adjustments such as TOBs in future studies." The "pre-publication draft paper, titled An area and distance weighted analysis of the impacts of station exposure on the U.S. Historical Climatology Network temperatures and temperature trends, is co-authored by Anthony Watts of California, Evan Jones of New York, Stephen McIntyre of Toronto, Canada, and Dr. John R. Christy from the Department of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama, Huntsville, is to be submitted for publication."
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 31, 2012 16:22:04 GMT -5
I never believe a thing coming out of Berkeley but I like the heat better than I like cold anyway so it's all OK by me. Like me dear old pop raised in the hotter than Hell central valley of California used to say, " My ass ain't made out of candy. It won't melt in the heat." *L*....Mel
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Post by Bikerrandy on Jul 31, 2012 17:09:15 GMT -5
I put off changing the timing belt on my mini van. Sure enough, the engine blew up and now I have to drive my Jeep that gets 12 mpg. I have the option of buying gas or another vehicle. Boy, I wish I would not have put that off. My descendants will not have such an easy fix. Hmmmm, so now your burning more fossil fuels than you did before..... I'm sure you see the irony in this. ;D lol
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Post by texaswoodie on Jul 31, 2012 18:13:13 GMT -5
All those mammoths farting caused the ice age to go away.
The sky is falling The sky is falling
Chicken Little
Curt
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Post by helens on Jul 31, 2012 18:41:56 GMT -5
This is hilarious:). The Koch Brothers funded a Global Warming study to debunk it... head scientist was the biggest global warming skeptic, so should have been a no-brainer to debunk right? LOL! They proved Global warming too: www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2011/1021/Climate-study-funded-in-part-by-conservative-group-confirms-global-warmingClimate study, funded in part by conservative group, confirms global warming The latest global warming results confirm those from earlier, independent studies by scientists at NASA and elsewhere that came under fire from skeptics in an episode known as 'climategate.' Here's Discover Magazine's funny article about it: blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/21/new-independent-climate-study-confirms-global-warming-is-real/"The study is called the Berkeley Earth Project (BEP), and what they found was stated simply and beautifully in their own two-page summary: Global warming is real, according to a major study released today. Despite issues raised by climate change skeptics, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study finds reliable evidence of a rise in the average world land temperature of approximately 1° C since the mid-1950s. <...> The big deal is that this was an independent team of researchers who conducted the study (including, interestingly, Saul Perlmutter, who just won the Nobel Prize for co-discovering the acceleration of the expansion of the Universe, and knows a thing or two about data analysis), and whose funding was overwhelmingly donated by the private sector and not from any government. The study was initiated by Berkeley physicist Richard Muller, who was concerned that government researchers weren’t being as open as possible with their methods. He gathered together a team of scientists, and they used data from 39,000 temperature stations around the world, far more than the previous studies. They have put all their data and methodology online for anyone to investigate. And if you’re wondering who these private groups were, they’re listed on the BEP website. The largest single donor? Why, it’s the Koch brothers, über-conservatives who have pumped millions of dollars into climate change denial. I find that… interesting. Anyone claiming that climate scientists are alarmists only trying to protect their grant money will have to think about that one for a while." Isn't that FUNNY:)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 18:42:01 GMT -5
Mel, I think I remember you saying that you are glad that you did not have kids. Nothing to worry about right. Randy, I stated that I have a choice to buy another vehicle that gets better gas mileage. Easy choice for me. Curt, You are not concerned about your descendants? ?!!!!!! But unwanted children are already starving to death all over the world and you want to add to that problem. Your vote does not count. Jim
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Post by helens on Jul 31, 2012 19:24:30 GMT -5
I never believe a thing coming out of Berkeley but I like the heat better than I like cold anyway so it's all OK by me. Like me dear old pop raised in the hotter than Hell central valley of California used to say, " My ass ain't made out of candy. It won't melt in the heat." *L*....Mel ME TOO!!! Can't wait til we are beachfront property in Central Florida!!!
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 31, 2012 19:33:23 GMT -5
Jim. Yeah, glad I didn't have kids but not because of global warming. It's because I think they would be inheriting a country that is in decline economically, morally and socially. In short, America is slowly becoming a place I would not want to raise kids in. But then, I'm a child of the fifties and grew up on Andy Griffith, Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. Things seem very nice back then even though we were poor. Whole country just seemed a better place....Mel
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Post by helens on Jul 31, 2012 19:36:08 GMT -5
Mel, I know you don't like Somalia... can you tell me the ONE nation on earth that has a political system you like and what you like about it?
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Post by texaswoodie on Jul 31, 2012 21:12:58 GMT -5
Mel, I think I remember you saying that you are glad that you did not have kids. Nothing to worry about right. Randy, I stated that I have a choice to buy another vehicle that gets better gas mileage. Easy choice for me. Curt, You are not concerned about your descendants? ?!!!!!! But unwanted children are already starving to death all over the world and you want to add to that problem. Your vote does not count. Jim For the 1000th time. I do believe there is global warming. What I don't believe is we can do one darn thing about it. The earth warms and the earth cools..........Period. Curt
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Post by parfive on Jul 31, 2012 21:27:16 GMT -5
So Texas ain’t on its way to Somalia, huh?
Consider last year a hint.
Burn, baby, burn.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jul 31, 2012 22:11:04 GMT -5
Ditto what Curt said... Yes, we are in a cycle of global warming - call it natural climate change. Warming and cooling cycles, they've been going on since time began, man or no man. And you can reduce your carbon footprint as much as you like, but a few hours of volcano sneeze is going to undo anything that you just did a thousand fold. Jean
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 31, 2012 22:39:00 GMT -5
Helen, None I can think of. All have faults but America is way head of which ever is in second place. Only thing is we need to get rid of the current administration so we can make it better again. I think in the long run, taxes will have to be raised for "everyone" and entitlements cut for everyone, at least until the budget is balanced but none of these things should take place till we stop government waste, reduce government size, and cut stupid government spending. Obama wants to raise taxes but not do any of those things. He wants to spend more, make government larger, and does nothing to really curtail wasteful or redundant programs.''
Oh wait, what am I thinking. There is a country who's politics I like. It's called Texas *L* Conservative, part time politicians in the legislature, No state income tax, Little intrusion into your business, liberal laws on guns and property rights, polite, strong moral values, friendly, uncrowded. Heck with it, lets secede and make Texas it's own freaking country!
Laugh it up Rich, it's as green as Scotland on the ranch right now and Texas will be the last state in the lower 48 to turn into Somalia. We're doing real fine economically, drought is not very severe here now ( though Texas is defined by periods of heavy rainfall followed by drought) and folks are friendly and watch out for one another. We're also the most well armed, well protected folks you'll see outside the military which is one reason Texans are so polite *L*. Had an eye opening experience when I took my Texas CCL test awhile ago. Huge class, young men and women , oldsters and grannies. I thought I was a pretty good pistolero. Shot a 248 out of 250 on the test and that was one of the lower scores *L*. Most the class shot a clean perfect 250 and most their shots made just one big hole on the target. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy all over being in the company of all them well armed and capable folks.
And Rich, ain't you in Commiefornia or was that someone else? Shoot talk about burn baby burn. My ranch out there was nearly burnt out like three times in the first few years we had it. Plus Calley's unemploymnet is high, it's government Commie and overbearing and failing because they can't dump the jerks they have in office. They've got governor Moonbeam they were stupid enough to elect twice. Businesses are fleeing the state in hoards, illegals are taking over and the economy ain't worth squat. And that's the way Obama wants the whole country, like Commiefornia. Man, Burn baby burn. California is the next Somalia in this country and I'm sure glad I'm now a Texican instead of back there *L*....Mel
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