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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 13, 2013 17:54:41 GMT -5
I got this really cool old Scott Murray tumbler from Ed (Sgt. Edmo Rock'n Hearts, mostly ) last August. He told me that it needed some new bearings, and since Mr. rockpickerforever is a machinist, he figured he would be able to come up with a way to make that happen. I'm happy to say that a solution was found to get it up and running again! First photos, the tumbler as it arrived A little too much age and AZ sun! After measuring and calculating the size of it, I figured that it was equivalent to a Thumbler model B, 15 pounder. I picked up a new barrel liner (and lid liner) from the Rock Shed ($30 plus shipping). Other than the liner, this was the other problem (I hate those plastic "bearings!") Someone had installed an oilite bushing, trying to get a few more miles out of it. It was a good temporary fix, and once I had the new liner in it, I turned the shafts around 180 degrees, wedged a shim up under the bushing to lift it back into place (so that the driven shaft was not rubbing on the sheet metal plate beneath it), and ran it for a week of coarse tumble that way. As you can see, the hole was pretty oblonged, probably from years of overtightening the belt. The shafts were pretty well worn, too. This was the worst one. But after the barrel stopped turning a few times, I was afraid that the motor would burn out on me, and then it would have just one more thing wrong with it. So, I decided to make it right! Sorry I didn't take pics of the whole process, but what we did was buy about three feet of 5/8" cold rolled steel round rod, and cut it into two pieces - total price, less then $4. I bought a couple feet of 5/8 ID vinyl hose from Lowes (total price with tax was $3.55), and slid it onto the new shafts. "Slid" sounds too easy... Actually, it was a tight fit, and my husband had to chuck up the shaft in his lathe, and with it turning, was able to push the hose on. I picked up a quantity of ten bearings (I know, it only needs four, but these are a very commonly used size, like for saws) for $19.20 with free shipping, so less than $8 for four bearings. Since we were making the bearing housings, they could have been any size that had a 5/8" ID. Since the wall of the tube was a tad thicker, I think the tumbler speed increased just a little bit. An aluminum plate to hold the new bearings was made for both ends. Each plate is held in place with four screws, screwed through the sheet metal and into the block. Since we replaced the shafts with new ones, making them a little longer to accomodate the additional width of the blocks was not a problem. The shaft on the motor was long enough as well, didn't have to make any alterations, just slid the pulley out a little bit. On the road again! It's tumbling away right now with some found agates and jaspers from Quartzsite last month. Used all the same pulleys, same drive belt on the motor, and the same o-ring for the idler shaft. Thanks again, Ed, for giving me the opportunity to give this old classic a new life! Jean
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Post by colliel82 on Feb 13, 2013 18:27:13 GMT -5
Great job!!!
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Post by Mattatya on Feb 13, 2013 18:37:10 GMT -5
Great refurbish job. I am unfortunately not that handy with fixing this up. I lucked out and found a brand new older Scott Murray two barrel unit online a while back and it is so much quieter then my double Lortone model. I was worried I couldn't find barrel liner replacements and I'm happy to see they are still available. I have a few years on my current ones but will order replacements from Rockshed to be safe if they become hard to find later. Thanks for posting.
Matt
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Post by Peruano on Feb 13, 2013 23:28:26 GMT -5
cool restoration. Enjoy. Tom
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Post by electricface on Feb 14, 2013 1:12:40 GMT -5
I love it when someone breathes life back into old worn out machines instead of just throwing them out. Great job!! ;D
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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 14, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone! Matt, I didn't get any instructions or paperwork with the tumbler, so just measured the barrel, and was pretty certain it was the same size as the Thumlers Model B. It was. Did Scott / Murray make more than one size of tumbler? If so, not sure which one you have, but here's a link to the Rock Shed website with the replacement liners for the Model B: www.therockshed.com/tumbler2.html#PartsLooks like the price went up just a little, but still a good value. Tom, I will enjoy it! I am going to have to get some more 80 grit, though. It is going to be used for coarse grit only, the subsequent courses will be done in a vibe tumbler, and I've already got lots of finer grits and polishes. I know what you mean, electricface. I just hate throwing things away, when they can be fixed. We've bvecome such a "throw away" society. Jean
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Post by catmandewe on Feb 14, 2013 11:56:41 GMT -5
I like the way you put new bearings in there and got away from the plastic bushings. Nice fix.
Tony
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Post by mohs on Feb 14, 2013 12:54:21 GMT -5
O double Wow Jean! that really made my day that going to roll and polish like better than new!! really cool! Ed
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Post by mohs on Feb 15, 2013 11:35:27 GMT -5
That really a fabulous fix Jean sturdy!
a long story of how I received that tumbler but the man who imparted it to me is smiling too! Ed
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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 15, 2013 11:42:34 GMT -5
I certainly think it was worth fixing, it's rolling rock right now! Replacing those bushings with some real bearings was the thing to do.
I don't know if it was this way before you sent it to me, or if it happened in shipping (like PO dropped it or something?), but the metal of the drum actually got tweaked a little bit, so when it rolls, it kind of does a little shimmy side to side. But it's all good, just puts that extra little touch into the tumbling action!
Thanks, again, Ed. It'll be rolling for some time to come. I know I'm a happy camper. Jean
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Post by mohs on Feb 15, 2013 12:38:37 GMT -5
o it seems like everything I got shimmies to side or is tilted one way or another...mostly
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Post by Mattatya on Feb 27, 2013 21:22:48 GMT -5
Hi Jean, I'm placing an order tonight with Rockshed for some Lortone parts. I picked up a screaming deal on a QT6 new in box but the older version. It was missing brackets to keep the barrel from rubbing. I'm also getting more crazy lace from them I'm tumbling some in my Scott Murray and the stuff they sent me last is crazy cool and hoping to get some more of the same. I'll pick up a barrel too for the Murray. I wish I had more pics but here is the unit. I have questions about your rotation speed. It doesn't have a model ID anywhere and when I bought it it was never used either way so I searched right away before I started to put wear on it. I'll try and take pics of the barrels. One is just like yours in your pics and the other is 2 sided with 2 6# barrel inserts side by side. There are wing nut lids on boot ends. In wondering if anyone has seen this unit before and if it was built and manufactured this way by design or retro fitted but never used. The other question how fast does yours rotate? I counted mine and it only rotates 18 times a minute. Seems slower then my Lortone 12 & 6 pounder but I haven't tried counting it. From looking at tours these build looks more custom and not the original design but the guy I bought it from kind of remembers that is how the unit came. I am running it now and will see if it chews up 60/90 grit like the Lortone. Matt Attachments:
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 2, 2013 9:52:47 GMT -5
Hey Matt, sorry I missed your last post until now. I went outside last night and plugged the tumbler in (no rocks in it right now), and counted the revolutions. Looks like it turns at about 24 per minute. BUT, when I put the new roller shafts on, the tubing I used made them a little bit larger diameter than what it had been. So I'm thinking this would have sped it up just a little. I have no model number for this Scott-Murray, in fact, have no info at all other than the name on the end of the barrel. By measuring the size of the hex drum, and then guessing, I was able to find that it correlates to the Thumbler Model B, so that's what I bought the liner for (from Rock Shed) and it fits like a glove. Having no info, I used instructions for the Model B. Apparently, this is a 15 pounder, and they suggest using 1 lb (= 1 cup) of grit for a load. This might seem a little light, but it did the job just fine. I've only ran it three times now, each time with 80 grit. I intend to finish with a vibe tumbler. I recently saw a barrel for this on eBay, I think it was, and for only about $20 plus shipping. But it must have sold, as I can't find it now. However, there are a couple more on there right now. One is just the barrel, grey - not green www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Rock-Tumbler-Barrel-Lapidary-lot-123-/251237277230?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7ee89e2e (a little over priced) and the other one (one of the double ones you mentioned, that opens on both ends) is the whole machine www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rock-Tumbler-Lapidary-Dual-Double-Barrel-Works-/261176064718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccf4e7ace. So these split barrel ones were actually manufactured and sold, it wasn't something someone retrofitted. The bidding for this one ends in a day and a half. Hope this helps! Jean Edit to add - Found the other barrel I was talking about www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Vintage-Rock-Tumbler-Drum-Barrel-Lapidary-Rock-Hound-/271160336314?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f226a5fba. It did sell a couple days ago for over $50! Just the barrel!
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Post by Mattatya on Mar 5, 2013 1:14:41 GMT -5
Hey Jean, thanks for the links. As it turns out the next day I was searching craigslist and a guy was selling 10 3 pound barrels, 4 Chicago tumblers with only one still working (go figure), 2 15# & 1 6# Scott Murray barrels as well as what he called a homemade tumbler. The homemade tumbler was actually the same as your tumbler. In its condition it looks homemade. I haven't turned it on but I was excited to find decent rubber barrels out of the sale. Happy rolling, Matt
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Post by Noosh9057 on Mar 5, 2013 6:33:39 GMT -5
Great work.
Roger
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Post by custommike on Mar 18, 2013 15:45:13 GMT -5
Bravo!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 18, 2013 19:55:51 GMT -5
Thank you, Mike! For my next rough tumble in the S/M, I'm got a bunch of slabs, so thought I'd make some pre-forms and tumble them. Plus I just found the missing second box of 80 grit I had. Sometimes you just have to stop and clean up! Jean
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Post by willieboat007 on Sept 19, 2013 15:20:36 GMT -5
Hello.... Great Job on re-furbishing the Scott Murray. I have the same model and wondering about parts like the belt replacement.
Can you help me out?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 20, 2013 9:42:30 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, willieboat. I have not yet replaced the belt on this tumbler, so not sure what/where to get one? The replacement liner I got was from the Rock Shop, for a Thumler Model B - 15 lb. Capacity. Chances are, the drive belt may be the same as well. You can contact them, the friendly folks there should be able to help you.
The Rock Shed 515 1st Street Keystone, SD 57751
Hours: Monday - Saturday 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM Toll Free Order Line: 1-866-354-0894 Sunday 1:00 to 6:00 PM Information: 605-666-4813 email: info@therockshed.com
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Post by jamesp on Sept 20, 2013 9:48:08 GMT -5
You guys are the best tumblerenovatorsonearthinc
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