grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 20, 2013 8:52:32 GMT -5
So, on National Security, These guys came in the FRONT door, the one was given citizenship on Benghazi Day. If our front door allows this, does it not concern you what is coming in "under the radar"?
There are a lot of OTMs, coming over both borders. I am not anti immigration by any means. I want them to be documented, and productive.
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Post by gingerkid on Apr 20, 2013 10:08:49 GMT -5
PS: I cannot believe the price gouging going on in many gun and ammo stores right now. I got my LCR at a pretty reasonable price before the shortage, maybe $50 below suggested retail. Had to pay retail plus $30 for the wife's pistol after the shortage. As you've probably noticed ammo is now ridiculous. I usually pay like $9.75 for fifty 22mag. Downtown they are almost $30 now. LOL, Mel, yes, it's crazy trying to find ammo now and we noticed the price gouging online, especially with the 22 and 223 ammo. We've had to ride an hour to Opelika, Alabama to pick up a box of 5.56 and they would only allow 1 box per person, and they won't allow you to use the same card. We called Gander Mountain in Opelika to check for the ammo, and they give out tickets to people to pick up ammo when the truck arrives with the stock. Had to drive to Newnan, which is 32 miles from here, to purchase 380 ammo. In Georgia, they don't require a background check for purchasing a weapon at a gun show, but they require a background check for purchasing a weapon (handgun or rifle/shotgun) from a dealer (FFL), which you also have to answer inquiries on mental illness, felonies, drug/alcohol-related questions, etc... As a prior certified GCIC/NCIC operator, they can check this info in the system by inserting a certain code while running a criminal history/driver history. To have a carry license in Georgia, you are fingerprinted, photographed, and a criminal history is ran on GCIC/NCIC. Hi, Helen! Rick bought me a Sig Sauer P238 last week. I think it's modeled after the Colt Mustang. I need to practice shooting with it a bit more. It's here: Wanted to share with y'all my new firearms to join my Rem870 12 gauge: Henry Golden Boy Youth Model (Pretty Golden Boy Roy, lol) Sig Sauer P238 (Lil Bug) Wanted an LCR-XS .38, but cannot find one anywhere. Kinda like searching for ammo to purchase...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 10:37:59 GMT -5
Actually... that would be the handgun I'd want if I bought a new one today, Lee. But... I don't need more guns:). Ahhh.... come on Helen. Since when is NEED a factor for determining when we buy a gun? Need?? Pishaw. WANT! WANT is the factor to consider.
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 20, 2013 10:50:01 GMT -5
Just like rocks. You want it, you buy it. I just got beat by seconds on an offer of 42 Fairburn agates for $500.00. They'd of been mine if I had pulled the trigger a couple seconds sooner.
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 20, 2013 11:05:06 GMT -5
I can't really afford the new guns, but I have plenty older ones that for me are just fine. Our small 'belly' guns are a WWII piece, 7.65 Pieper Bayard 1908, and a early 1900's S&W .32 Safety Hammerless (Lemon-squeezer). They work great.
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Post by helens on Apr 20, 2013 12:42:26 GMT -5
So, on National Security, These guys came in the FRONT door, the one was given citizenship on Benghazi Day. If our front door allows this, does it not concern you what is coming in "under the radar"? There are a lot of OTMs, coming over both borders. I am not anti immigration by any means. I want them to be documented, and productive. So, you think we should have more restrictions on privacy? Legal aliens ARE already documented. Those 2 were CITIZENS of the USA. So how do we document better? ohhh... we should apply the documentations to immigrants we apply to citizens... and next, if e don't carry papers, we are subject to arrest. Maybe every man woman and child should be fingerprinted, because obviously, people who weren't previously fingerprinted have committed crimes. And then, we should all be DNA typed, you know, to predict future diseases. You were worried about a gun database, but you have no worries about every inch of you databased? What if a future Admin who possess this database decides to cull people for diseases, and they not only know exactly who you are, they also know exactly where you are (since cell phones and computers are all tracked already, and many people no longer even use landlines for communication). Tracking guns = bad, tracking people = good. Really, Bill?
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Post by helens on Apr 20, 2013 12:50:08 GMT -5
Jan, I like the grip on the 229... but if I were to get one, I'd probably get a 232, because I would like the fingerholds on that grip best. The idea being that if you're shooting someone, your palms will be sweaty and it's easier to hang on to it:). But I don't have a spare G note:).
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 20, 2013 12:54:27 GMT -5
You were worried about a gun database, but you have no worries about every inch of you databased? What if a future Admin who possess this database decides to cull people for diseases, and they not only know exactly who you are, they also know exactly where you are (since cell phones and computers are all tracked already, and many people no longer even use landlines for communication). Tracking guns = bad, tracking people = good. Really, Bill? Ahhh Glassopper, that is indeed the question, is it not? Shall you resign yourself to the current, or will you swim?
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Post by helens on Apr 20, 2013 13:02:12 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not the one who thought increased 'national security' was a good idea, you were. Today the bias is against middle easterners (WHO was it that implied that the Saudi who was deported for his own protection was a suspect? Fox news even published an article about a college kid who happened to be at the Marathon, got his photo in the Daily news as a suspect, and was terrified for his life and praying that the bombers were found... just because he had a middle eastern name...)
Today Middle Easterners... tomorrow the unhealthy? You really want National Security to database all Americans, and you think that's a good thing:)? No Democrat wants that.
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 20, 2013 13:10:49 GMT -5
I have never said any such thing, quite the opposite, and you know that.
I think we have us natural born citizens well accounted for, so obviously we need to concentrate on knowing who is coming here, any less is sheer stupidity.
The fact that these legal immigrant bombers got in due to our willingness to accept refugees, and subsequently our govt. decided the Russians warning about the older brother was enough to deny him citizenship, but decided to let him stay here indicates a bit of a problem, no? Unless you want this to be the new normal, that is.
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Post by helens on Apr 20, 2013 13:20:37 GMT -5
We already know who's coming here. Legal immigration is very very rare and hard to accomplish. It's the illegals, and by nature, they are hard to 'track', they didn't do anything legally.
The only thing that increasing 'national security' does is invade citizens privacy and rights. To have changed what happened with those 2 would mean changing asylum and refugee grants for immigration... which is how a HUGE amount of Americans arrived in the US in the past. Irish escaping from the potato famine, English searching for religious freedom, germans fleeing Nazi.
To change that changes what this nation is, and spits in the face of every single American's ancestors.
That's not all... the only way to ensure that you KNOW who illegals are is to KNOW who citizens are. THERE is the intrusion into privacy and the beginning of tracking every man woman and child in the US. In the name of paranoia and hate, we give up our own rights... sort of like drinking poison and waiting for the other guy to die?
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 20, 2013 22:06:31 GMT -5
Helen: I hear what you're saying but I don't believe the current administration that is arming all it's many government agencies to the teeth with hollowpoint rounds, machine guns ( real ones), high capacity pistols they don't want us having, and armored vehicles has quite the same ideas you do about intrusion into our private lives *L*. Which is of course why they aim to eventually try to divest the rest of us folks of any weapons that have a chance to stand up to them. I don't even see this as a Dems vs Repubs issue. I see it as a rich and powerful elite vs the everyday Joe type issue.....Mel
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Post by helens on Apr 20, 2013 23:21:39 GMT -5
Mel, we've actually all been on the same page for a long time. What we see as the answer is where we differ. I don't see it as arming gov't agencies to the teeth in Obama's interest, he's only going to be around for 3 more years no matter what. And the arming I see as potentially justified by replenishing stock that's been depleting and ageing, and keeping larger munitions contractors in business. If you want guys who make armored vehicles to stay in business, and they can't sell them to anyone else, you have to buy some every now and then or they go out of business, and when you want them, no one makes anymore. I don't see anything sinister in that, despite the figures. Gov't buys stuff by ordering, not typically taking old inventory on hand. All that stuff they've been buying probably won't even all get delivered til Obama's out of office.
I agree that it's a rich and powerful vs everyone else issue completely. That's what I've been saying and saying since all the political discussion began. I don't see the answer for preserving our rights by voting for those who want to take those rights from us, which today are more Republicans than Democrats. And how do you tell which is which? Which side wants to take more from the 'common joe', to give to the rich? Not the Democrats.
The smoke and mirrors of the gun issue is just that, not even the MOST draconian Democrat proposal includes taking all of people's guns. Yet the least draconian Republican budget proposals want to take away people's Medicare. It's so obvious to me where the fight has to start, I just don't get how you guys can't see it.
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 21, 2013 18:53:41 GMT -5
Again, I'm not saying this is just an Obama issue, though much for it is occurring under his watch. I agree there is a cadre of folks in government agencies and congress that want to take our rights from us. I don't agree it's more Republicans than Democrats. I think you've got that backasswards and Democrats are more of a threat because so many of them are globalists and far from libertarians. They think government knows best whats good for us and that we should be a better member of the global community. Dems think we should change the way we are and are happy to tell us how to change.
To me the question is which side wants to take from the "common Joe" to give to the "common freeloader"---Dems and which side wants to reward success instead of punishing it and wants you to keep more of what you've worked hard for---Repubs
Cracks me up how you keep coming around to medicare. Dems are going to have to go after that too. Think Obamacare has already cut into it and will more. You're dreaming if you think entitlements, especially medicare, will not have to eventually be tackled. We have more older folks going into it all the time more folks filing disability, and more folks going into the medical pool. No way this will not have major effects.....Mel
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 19:44:37 GMT -5
Mel, here is the crux: Who are you calling 'freeloaders'?
To you, a freeloader is someone who can work but gets free money so refuses to work.
To a Republican Politician, anyone who's spent their lives paying into Medicare and Social Security is a freeloader because they can't work. This IS the legislation they are proposing... the irony being that they don't want to cut Medicaid or foodstamps for the people YOU think of as the freeloaders, they want to take it from YOU.
You project your definitions onto them because you use a different one for the same term they do. And you do not read the legislation they want to pass, so you are unaware of what it means to you and yours. READ IT. READ the Ryan plan. Then tell me who the Republicans think are the freeloaders, and it ain't your definition of it, because they will not lose a thing.
That's the difference.
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 19:47:22 GMT -5
If the Dems controlled Congress, what they'd do is tax Corporations at the same rate they tax PEOPLE. The only reason we are running a deficit is because instead of paying 30% on profits like secretaries do, Corporations now pay 0-14%. As PEOPLE, being taxed as PEOPLE on billions in profit means Gov't solvency, just like that.
Suddenly, there won't be any reason to go after Medicare or Social Security... because it will be paid for again. A stunningly simple solution, and ONLY stymied by the Republicans today.
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