robsrockshop
has rocks in the head
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Post by robsrockshop on Apr 21, 2013 10:02:00 GMT -5
Sad to say but I don't trust anyone. Let's be realistic here, over 100k dead in Iraq for what? There's major global crap going on. I don't want to piss anyone off here I just don't think it's a bad idea to consider ideas other than fox news.
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 11:34:50 GMT -5
Oh go ahead and piss everyone off... I do:P. hehehe
(just don't get PERSONALLY insulting - what's the fun of arguing if you can't argue:P)
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 12:25:36 GMT -5
Ed, I doubt they'd tell us that... but facial recognition software works instantly. So if they had a database that included those kids, the FBI would have it in minutes.
The problem with having everyone in a database are cases of circumstantial evidence...
ie., IDing that Saudi guy who happened to be watching the marathon... then having the news post his pix as a 'suspect', then the US gov't being contacted by the Saudi Embassy demanding to meet with Obama so their citizens aren't subject to witchhunts and lynching in the USA because of that mistaken identity pix, then shipping the poor guy home so no one kills him.
And because they shipped him home, Obama must be 'covering up' for the Saudis. Had the 2 chechens not been caught... what would the fallout have been with Saudi Arabia?
Imagine being a guy standing at the finish with a backpack full of water bottles to give the runners... and dropping that when the first bomb went off... and EVERYONE was looking at news footage of who had a backpack... and they got a nice clear shot of you dropping your bag... right near where the 2nd bomb went off. What would happen to you?
That's the risk.
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 12:31:04 GMT -5
This young kid must be bullet immune or at least antifragile gets in a major gunfight escapes with a wound hides in a boat boat gets riddled with bullets worse than Bonnie & Clyde then might have tried to shoot himself and all missed a major artery
lucky kid in an unfortunate way
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 12:32:42 GMT -5
Or we are all fortunate, because now we can find out if there was a greater involvement with terrorist organizations...
And, I am very glad they did not read him Miranda rights, because he SHOULD be interrogated as an enemy combatant.
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 13:01:19 GMT -5
I guess we could have all been more fortunate had they intercepted these kids sooner they seemed to have the intel to do the inquiry Ed
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 14:06:51 GMT -5
I have the bad habit of calling anyone under 30 'kids'. But a 19 year old that can kill 3 people and maim well over 100 with no remorse, is no normal 'kid'.
I hope that no one kills him at the hospital, he's got a lot of questions to answer first. Those kids grew up here... what could possibly have led them to have such little regard for life and other people's suffering?
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 14:43:18 GMT -5
welll I have an ethical question for you
it looks like he's going to have a long recovery--. do you give him morphine for the severe pain?
Or do you rather use that new homeopathic, all natural, placebo mixture on this little monster? just for experimental mind you mostly h2O
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 14:48:12 GMT -5
Ed, I don't think we should put health care workers in an ethical dilemma. They are dedicated to saving lives and that's what they should do, not play God. They should never be put in that position. If they would give anyone else morphine, they should give him morphine.
Once he's able to answer the question and he's out of health risk? Would *I* condone torturing him to get the information out of him, NOT as a health care worker? Yes I would, because the families of the victims deserve answers, we all deserve answers, and he's the only one who can provide them.
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Post by Toad on Apr 21, 2013 14:51:22 GMT -5
Was the young one a citizen or the old one?
If the young one, how can he arrested in America for crimes committed in America and not be read his rights?
If he's not a citizen, moot point...
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 14:55:56 GMT -5
they can abdicate the Miranda rights if they believe citizens are at imminent threat or so I'm told
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 15:02:03 GMT -5
I don't want to put health care personal in an ethical dilleme but the Hippocratic oath only states do no harm so after the patient is stabilized
they ought to try the new placebo pain killer it promises to be a scientific breakthrough untested --but promising and this just might be the patient to empirically test it on. mohstly
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 16:06:26 GMT -5
He IS a citizen, but he was arrested under the Miranda Exception as a 'Public Safety Threat'.
"At the other end of the spectrum, some conservatives have called for treating terrorism-related cases — even those arising on U.S. soil or involving citizens — as a military matter, holding a suspect indefinitely as an ‘‘enemy combatant’’ without a criminal defendants’ rights. Two Republican senators, John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, called for holding Tsarnaev under the laws of war, interrogating him without any Miranda warning or defense lawyer."
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 16:07:43 GMT -5
LOL! Ed, test painkillers on him:)? I think the last thing anyone should want right now is to kill him... and I think all that protection around him now is to prevent him from killing himself. We need/deserve answers first I think.
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Post by helens on Apr 21, 2013 16:11:12 GMT -5
Was the young one a citizen or the old one? If the young one, how can he arrested in America for crimes committed in America and not be read his rights? If he's not a citizen, moot point... Toad, if your question was directed at wanting to give him Miranda rights, despite what he did (yes, he's a citizen, who grew up in the US)... that's more Democrat than the Democrats, and incredibly unRepublican, since the Republicans want him held as an enemy combatant (and subject to the full range of torture).
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 21, 2013 16:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah, we think he should have to go on Oprah.
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 16:21:00 GMT -5
well he's lucky ObamaCare hasn't taken affect cause they would have called in the death panel...
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 21, 2013 16:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Apr 21, 2013 16:23:59 GMT -5
all I'm saying is save the morphine for those in real pain
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bushmanbilly
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Post by bushmanbilly on Apr 21, 2013 17:44:40 GMT -5
My :2cents: They should have spent $2 on him. Or 250 grains of lead. This creep has cost your country millions in damages and law enforcement. How many millions has it cost the economy of Boston? Shut down a whole city!!!!(personally I think this was Barry's idea, make up for the Benghazi screw up) And that does not account for lost wages. And now you're going to spend millions more prosecuting him. Because somewhere out there is a bleeding heart liberal that will think its America's fault that made him do this.
I think you should strap him to a chair. Place a pressure cooker under him and set the timer. Film it all and broadcast it live to ALL MUSLIM countries. Nuff said, I have to go and clean aa tumbler now.
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