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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:02:56 GMT -5
totally badass!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:21:30 GMT -5
The next part of the project. Repair kits should be here today or tomorrow. Couple of days to clean and repair then I can start installing them.
The weather is supposed to go to H E double L Monday so I have to hurry. I quit working outside in the cold quite a few years ago and I really do not want to do it again. My friend has a big boat that he is repairing in his shop so I am SOL as far as using that. Hurry, scamper, hurry, scamper, hurry, scamper. Jeeze, I have started to hate winter. Maybe not hate, takes too much energy to hate. Maybe just dislike it a lot and that way I can still live with it. Next winter "look out somewhere south, here I come". Jim
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Post by jamesp on Oct 25, 2013 12:01:38 GMT -5
Look who is talking Mr Energy. That is a professional install. I live for bulletproof designs like that last for 600 years.
It is one of the things that will set you free-reliability
And that is also sexy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 18:27:21 GMT -5
Woh ho, sexy? Do you have a female pickup that wants to snuggle.
Thanks for the compliments. I wanted to anchor it down good in case of a head on accident. The tank weighs something over 100 pounds and the fuel will weigh 250 pounds when full so I do not want 350 to 400 pounds ripping my upper torso off of my lower torso when it pushes the back of the cab forward to the steering wheel. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Oct 25, 2013 19:11:31 GMT -5
I guess you could strap it or attach it to the frame some how. This may help w/the snuggling situation Jim thesnugglehouse.org
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 25, 2013 20:37:02 GMT -5
I do not want 350 to 400 pounds ripping my upper torso off of my lower torso when it pushes the back of the cab forward to the steering wheel. Jim Yeah... That sounds like it could be painful. Would pretty much ruin your day. Looks like it is coming along great, Jim. This will be finished in time for Quartzsite in January?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:27:55 GMT -5
I guess you could strap it or attach it to the frame some how. There are 12 one half inch bolts holding it down to the box. I don't think I need to worry. The box would probably rip off the frame first. Jim
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 25, 2013 21:41:53 GMT -5
Very cool, Jim! Dandy looking tank. Love that truck. I was wondering, what happens if someone takes a pot shot at your truck and hits that tank?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:46:02 GMT -5
It should be ready in a week or two depending on the weather but I am not sure if I will be able to get the whole box full of "need to do's" before then. I hate to go without a generator and a few other high dollar things like filling the damn tank. I am bumping up against the weather now. I have a huge tarp that I could throw over the pickup and put in an electric heater.
I just happened to think about having to T off the feed line so I can run a hose from that tank to the camper. In Arizona I could probably heat my camper all winter on a tank of propane. I can see now that I am going to have to get some quick disconnects and check valves. money, money, money
I should be able to get there on a tank and a half though. lol I am not sure if the 70 gallons is the total capacity of the tank or if it is the 80 percent line where it has to be stopped filling. I need to check that out. I could definitely go all the way if I was full of propane and two tanks of gas. I can carry 36 gallons of gas too. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Oct 25, 2013 23:20:24 GMT -5
I like your confidence. I f i did all that mechanical stuff i would be worried about a mistake. I suppose you will drive it a good bit before you make a big trip.
Or your just that dang good of a mechanic. Oh, that's right you rebuilt the transfer case. If you can do that, you can do anything. You have approached hero status Jim.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 26, 2013 0:57:21 GMT -5
A gallon is 231 cubic inches, but with pressurized LP gas I believe the volume conversion doesn't work. Cool project.
Lee
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Post by jamesp on Oct 26, 2013 9:14:01 GMT -5
You can calculate the volume.
It is 3.14 X diameter X diameter divided by 4 and all that times the length.
It looks about 20 inches around and about 50 inches long.
so 3.14 X 20 X 20 divide by 4 = 314. Then 50 X 314 = 15,700 cubic in. As Lee said, 231 cu.in. / gallon. So 15700/231=68 gallons
The next most common tank diameter is 24. But 22 may exist...
So if tank is 24 x 50 then volume should be 98 gallons
If that tank is 24 inches in diameter it is probably a standard 100 gallon tank-boom(bad choice of words)bang(also bad choice)shazamm - much better
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 11:25:11 GMT -5
You were close James. The tank is 20 by 60. We were using an extendable fork lift with a single strap to install it and I had to jump on it to get it past the sides of the pickup box. Once it was below the lips on the box it was a snap. And I was pushing it in with one end lower than the other so the rounded ends must extend past the 60 inches a little bit. I am not sure if you could get a 24 X 60 to go in unless it was a true 60 because the rounded ends would hit right at the lip on the box.
When figuring the volume it is a bit tough because of the rounded ends. When I figured the volume again I am pretty sure that the 69.1 gallons stamped on the tank is the true volume of the tank. That would make a usable space of 55.25 gallons. At 4.23 pounds per gallon the weight would be 235 pounds.
I thought that was a little light but I just checked and water is 8.35 pounds per gallon so if it was filled with water it would weigh 461 pounds. I did not realize that propane was that much lighter than water. I am concerned about weight because I am going to be pulling a 4600 pound (empty weight) trailer and the pickup is just an F150. I need to crawl under the pickup and check the ratio of the rear end because that determines the gross weight that the pickup can handle. (up to a point) There is a gross vehicle weight and a gross towing weight. I am not sure if it is possible to max out both and still roll down the highway.
The hitch weight on this trailer is about 360 pounds (empty) so it is very important to load the trailer without getting too much weight in the rear of the trailer. I have an equalizer hitch to use so that will help the stability. The pickup that I pulled the tank out of has a sway bar mounted on the rear end so I may go and get that also. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Oct 26, 2013 12:19:14 GMT -5
I have dealt w/towing a good bit of stuff 400 miles to Florida camp many times. Your concerns are in line. Those presure tanks usually have a serious stamp on their volume(maybe ASTM standards too). I forgot what that stands for. I just know those tanks are built like brick sh*t houses. I have cut a few up and am amazed out the heavy dutiness...
As far as weight distribution the center where you put it is perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 18:40:30 GMT -5
Very cool, Jim! Dandy looking tank. Love that truck. I was wondering, what happens if someone takes a pot shot at your truck and hits that tank? Unless it is a pretty high powered rifle it will just make a dent. Plus they would have to hit it almost straight on at the up and down center of the tank to keep from having a glancing blow. If it does puncture it you just stop, get out and walk away before it catches fire. They are not that dangerous. If it was punctured and set on fire I think it would just spray fire. Then again, it might be an early cremation. My kids will figure out what to do with the ashes if they find any. I do not have any nightmares of my steering column laying in the highway with my intestines wrapped around the steering wheel. lol 15 seconds of fame when it hits the news. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 18:47:04 GMT -5
WOOHOO THE PROPANE SYSTEM IS INSTALLED AND READY TO GO. Down side is that I got to the propane store yesterday at 2:30 and they closed at one o'clock so I can not test it until tomorrow. Pics to follow.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 3, 2013 18:52:22 GMT -5
This is not even funny but it is. Since you have a great since of humor Jim...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 20:27:39 GMT -5
Time to start the rebuild. There is a mixer and a regulator that had to be rebuilt because the system had been sitting for many years and all the gaskets were dried up and icky. First photo is the regulator on lower right and the mixer on upper left. The regulator is the part of the system that turns the liquid propane to a gas. Engine coolant travels through the regulator and heats up the gas because when the liquid changes to gas the pressure drop will cause everything to freeze up. Then in turn the warmer gas will burn better. This is an interior look at the regulator with all the engine coolant and gas channels. The liquid propane enters just about dead center through the cover. The two hose barbs closest to you are for the engine coolant and the 90 degree hose barb on the right is where the gas comes out. The other side is boring so I did not show it. I had a hard time paring it down to ten photos. The mixer with the air filter sitting on it. The air cleaner sitting down over the mixer this way keeps everything pretty low on top of the engine. In a later photo you can see where the mixer opens up to allow air to enter the carburetor when it is in the gasoline mode. This is what attaches the mixer to the carburetor. The mixer attached to the top of the carburetor. near the top you can see where it is opened up so air can flow in. During propane mode that gap will be closed. The air cleaner attached to the top of the mixer. If you must know the color is "grape". I had white and grape on hand so it got grape. The regulator mounted on the fender well. The fender well is plastic so I bolted down a plate first to try to keep the bracket bolts from tearing out. The propane shut off for when the pickup is running on gasoline. There is a gasoline shut off on the front of the carburetor also so no gasoline enters when in the propane mode. The whole system installed. I had to use the old propane gas hose that carries the low pressure propane from the regulator to the top of the mixer because I "oh my" ordered the wrong hose. A new hose is on the way. The controls in the cab. The knob opens and closes the mixer air control and the switch is pretty self explanatory. I thought I would throw in a photo of my ceder and floor mat foam arm rest also since I am here anyway. First thing tomorrow I will be at the propane house loading up for a test run. Damn I hope this works. Thanks for stopping by. I will keep you posted on whether or not you should convert. lol Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 20:31:31 GMT -5
This is not even funny but it is. Since you have a great since of humor Jim... That would be funny if it was your pickup. You know that I am kidding right. lol Jim
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Post by jamesp on Nov 3, 2013 20:37:01 GMT -5
You should have the tank filled with nitrous oxide for speeds over 300 MPH
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