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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:20:55 GMT -5
I mucked out my saw and now have a few gallons of muck.
Now what?
What do we do with the spent oil and rock snot?
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Post by Don on Oct 18, 2013 16:25:44 GMT -5
bikini mud wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:29:23 GMT -5
I only need one serious answer and can accept unlimited jokes! ha! That's quite funny.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 18, 2013 16:41:31 GMT -5
Isn't that something you should have thought of before you started? You could ask the guy you bought it from what he used to do with the spent oil.
Since I use mineral oil, I filter it through a bag and reuse the oil. The crud left in the bag goes out in the trash.
What kind of oil are oil/lubricant/coolant are you using, Scott?
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Post by Don on Oct 18, 2013 16:54:48 GMT -5
run the stuff through a cheese cloth and put it in little plastic bowls with a lid. print out a fancy label for them and re-sell it at the flea market as green, organic, all natural miracle mud face mask. You'll make $.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 18, 2013 18:06:26 GMT -5
It may be too late already but here's what I do.
Based on info I got here and other forums, I took a five gallon plastic container and punched a BUNCH of 1/4" holes in the bottom. I put another five gallon pail into that and into that pail I placed a pillowcase and inside that a large grocery bag. The pails are placed under the drain and the contents of the saw empty into the bags and pails. The then just set the pails aside for x number of months -yes moths - until I feel that most if not all the oil has been drained. Then I take the rock snot and throw it in the trash. Typically, it has hardened by this time and there is no harmful oil left. If you are concerned with the environment, you can call your county's harmful garbage disposal center and take it to them. I typically collect about 60% of all the oil I drain and continue to use it over and over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 18:25:03 GMT -5
Come clean out my saw and I will show you.
Sheltie, don't you mean that you put the bucket with the holes into the bucket without holes? I think you made a hypographical error. That is where the brain is thinking one thing and the fingers are typing another thing. Jim
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 18, 2013 18:49:30 GMT -5
I do the same thing Sheltie does only the last few times I have skipped the pillow case part and have not noticed any difference. I get a decent amount in the bottom bucket after a week or so and thats what goes right back in the saw and then the rest stays in the buckets slowly dripping till my next clean out. what ever is left at the next clean out gets put in the household trash. here's the holes in the top bucket and here it is all set up and ready to dump the oil into I have learned to put the buckets on something (like this car floor mat) due to the unavoidable drips. now that you mention it mine is getting pretty thick too. Chuck
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Post by jamesp on Oct 18, 2013 19:12:01 GMT -5
Holy cow Chuck. That is quick sand muck. Will your blade cut that dirty?
I know it is bad but i love my kerosene. I have a 6 hour fire in a steel pot and it leaves the whitest rock dust behind.
When i used real 'rock saw oil' made by Mobil i put it in 5 gallon buckets that i bought it in and capped them. I would leave them tied off in my truck and drive around for a month or two and the rock dust settled a whole bunch more. Then pour off the seperated oil and burn the rock muck with sticks and branches. Pouring it on in small doses. It will burn away if your fire is hot. If you have a machine that vibrates to set the bucket on it will settle so hard it is like dry plaster of paris.
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Post by Mark K on Oct 18, 2013 19:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by Peruano on Oct 18, 2013 20:33:41 GMT -5
I suspect that the muck left after draining even mineral oil would burn, but so too would the tires that you took off of your car last week, but why would you want to inflict this on the world. Bury the muck in your closest arroyo or give it to the garbage man or your local hazmat repository. It will be basically inert but don't try to dispose of it on your spouse's geranium bed. Tom
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 18, 2013 20:52:36 GMT -5
When I clean the saw I first open the drain up and let it drain by itself without doing any more than lifting one end a little. The first stuff to come out will be mostly oil. When the runny stuff is drained I change buckets and start the real cleaning with the scrapers. After a few days the runny stuff is pretty much settled out so I can pour the oil off the top. Whatever is left goes into the filtering bucket, drilled bucket with brown paper bag as others described. After a few days I fold the top of the bag down flat and lay a lid from a smaller bucket on top with rocks for weights to try to force the oil through faster. I made a cider press like setup but it's easier to just use rocks.
Lee
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Post by snuffy on Oct 18, 2013 21:34:01 GMT -5
After filtering the oil,I sink my bags of muck in a large rubber trash barrel containing water.Oil will continue to seep and can be skimmed off. Got 6 or 7 gallons this way over the last couple years.
snuffy
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 18, 2013 23:24:05 GMT -5
I have heard of folks pouring oil/water mix into milk jugs, freezing, then pouring the oil off the top of the ice.
Lee
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Post by jamesp on Oct 19, 2013 7:40:46 GMT -5
I stored several 5 gallon buckets of dirty saw oil in my greenhouse because it was convenient. It basically heated the oil and the settling process was much improved due to the heat. So i started doing the passive pillow case filtering and the 100-110F oil was very thin and filtered much quicker. So a warm spot will speed things way up. I stopped using the Mobil brand cutting oil and use kerosene like the Brazilians use in their mass production saw shops.
I know you are not supposed to use fuel oil or kerosene but i do. And i mix 25-30% well settled used motor oil mixed in for lubrication and fire hazard reduction. And i am amazed at the settlement. The muck is gone. The oil is always clear a few hours after sawing and stays about clear when sawing. The rock dust is compressed into a thick mat and almost peels off instead of being suspended in the oil. I mean it is like a sheet of soft rubber made of compressed rock dust.And the inside of the saw has no rock dust slung all over it. Have been using this mix for 2 years and i get great cuts and clean diamond presentation. I can turn the saw off in the middle of a 6" x 10" hunk of agate and restart effortlessly w/out backing the carriage away. I started using it for budget reduction.
When using the other oil i was amazed also at how fast the rock dust would settle and compress in the bottom of the container(say 5 gallon bucket) sitting strapped in the back of the truck. That would be forced settlement. Instead of waiting for oil to seep by gravity thru a low pressure filter like a brown bag or pillow case. Like a cheap centrifugal separator but it is a vibratory separator. If you have a place that vibrates like a table w/a vibratory tumble or an outside A/C unit w/an off balance fan you can give it a try on a smaller sample of muck. Well, the good side of vibrating it out is never having to ever touch a filter again and reusing the same nasty buckets and just pouring off the top until time to get the paste off the bottom of the bucket.
I thought about bolting a little vibratory tumbler motor to the outside of the saw belly pan to settle and compress the rock dust right there in the dang saw. But since switching to the kerosene/oil mix the vibration of the saw(i guess) settles and compresses the rock dust. It has been cutting for 2 years and is crystal clear. But has a dense putty stuck to the belly. And my little 1/2 HP 18 inch saw cuts with no effort. The dirty oil uses a lot more electricity due to friction. It's all about clean diamond presentation and of course alignment.
Doing the separation right there in the saw is as clean as it gets. I wish they would build a saw with 2 sumps. One to remove from and one to dump into. And keep oil management inside the saw for as long as possible. A .75 liter motorcycle engine has a 4 quart sump like a 2.5 liter car engine because it is hard on the oil.
Cutting agate cast in concrete also motivated me to get better lubrication. Concrete releases a lot of sand particles and is hell on saw oil and the sides of the saw blade and the power bill.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 19, 2013 8:25:27 GMT -5
Come clean out my saw and I will show you. Sheltie, don't you mean that you put the bucket with the holes into the bucket without holes? I think you made a hypographical error. That is where the brain is thinking one thing and the fingers are typing another thing. Jim At 72, I'm surprised that I even remembered how I did it! Brain phart! Thanks for catching it Jim.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 19, 2013 8:29:16 GMT -5
While on the subject of oil, I just went to my Austin distributor yesterday and bought 10 gallons of Chevron Brightcut NHG for $62 per five gallons plus tax. It's the lowest I've seen it in at least two years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 22:51:17 GMT -5
My bad. I should have specified. I do not want to clean this muck. It stinks so bad I wanna gag after I am done cutting. I needed a solution for disposal. Ima dumbass! I "treated it" with kitty litter and put it in yard waste for compost. Maybe I shoulda grown mushrooms on it. jamesp - nice essay! Thanks. Can you simply peel up the rubbery rock mat and toss it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 22:52:21 GMT -5
While on the subject of oil, I just went to my Austin distributor yesterday and bought 10 gallons of Chevron Brightcut NHG for $62 per five gallons plus tax. It's the lowest I've seen it in at least two years. TODAY in CALI= gasoline = $3.57 gallon best price since Obama took office. He's on the downhill slide. Market rebounding.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 21, 2013 7:29:05 GMT -5
While on the subject of oil, I just went to my Austin distributor yesterday and bought 10 gallons of Chevron Brightcut NHG for $62 per five gallons plus tax. It's the lowest I've seen it in at least two years. TODAY in CALI= gasoline = $3.57 gallon best price since Obama took office. He's on the downhill slide. Market rebounding. I paid $2.97 yesterday here in central TX. Just one more reason NOT to live in CA.
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