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Post by captbob on Jun 11, 2015 13:25:11 GMT -5
Looks like a war to me. Bet the south will win this one. Can we get it going already! Not getting any younger... Not so much thinkin' it's gonna be North vs South per se; although a vast number of those pushing the Progressive agenda do live in the north east (and far western states), there are plenty of those entitlement / wealth redistribution types spread about the south as well. Start in Washington D.C. and we might not have to go much further. An uprising of those that are sick & tired of the Government taking from those that work and have and giving to those that won't work because the Government will take care of them would help take care of that pesky population problem to an extent as well. Yes, there will always be those that require help (aid) of some sort, and that's the proper thing to do. But, no way it should be almost half of the population. If you can't work - fine. If you won't work - starve. Pretty sure that Delta Smelt will become a causality of the outcome. How long would there be a water shortage if the Government would get the hell out of the way? Not saying there shouldn't be pollution regulations, but to kill the farming industry in an area to save a 2" fish is beyond asinine.
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Post by parfive on Jun 11, 2015 13:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jun 11, 2015 13:56:15 GMT -5
rockpickerforever The EPA has been watching creeks around here for 20 years. The Corp keeping an eye on any dam over x feet(I think 8), requiring permit. Several pond/lake builders around me that will build if you have no downstream neighbor to report muddy water and have forest enough to hide construction. More engineering goes into not getting caught than building the lake. 100,000 Gallon per day creeks were off the target, so I was safe doing my spot barely. Three small creeks here and that is why I bought the place 30 years ago. My neighbor dammed one of my creeks upstream w/a 21 foot unpermitted dam. It messed me up a bit. Knocked one of my creeks out of the saddle. Had I reported him he would have had to have torn down his $25,000 lake/dam. I dropped it and all was fine. But I experienced the issues of having a supply water cut off. One alternate was that he continue giving me 8 gallons per minute, but his lake would dry up in summer. Yes, they are strict about creeks and tributaries around here. Mostly about creating erosion. Many of the wetland plants I grow are used for erosion prevention. Oh no, that puts me making money on govt regulations. Back when Clinton was in govt I made good money on such plants. Bush changed the rules and that income got nixed. P Obamy got elected and has not put the rules back into effect because he is busy screwing up everything and putting his fires out LOL. Ha, the EPA found out about my operation and gave my name out to many an operation with silt issues or excessive nutrient issues. I even planted a wetland for the Army for nitrogen runoff from an armor piercing tank bomb manufacturing facility. Those guys were pumping the nitrates into the water table during WW2 when they were making other munitions for that war. Check out polluted water table-Milan TN. Pumping ground water via hundreds of wells and treating it. Freaked me out. Govt #1 polluter, back then anyway.
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Post by captbob on Jun 11, 2015 13:59:56 GMT -5
Good for him! The Pope's "business" is more than enough to keep him busy.
Although, with the amount of money to be made by pushing this sham, the Pope may not be above trying to cash in on “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people”.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 11, 2015 14:12:43 GMT -5
It will only take 3 days of thirst and the minnow protection police will be singing a different tune. Same people that live in wood houses that chain themselves to trees to protect them. The oil boycott folks sitting in their petro based kayaks and strapping them to their thirsty SUV's. Met plenty of church girls that were just too good under the covers captbob.
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Post by parfive on Jun 12, 2015 0:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jun 12, 2015 7:15:27 GMT -5
Always wondered why oil rich countries in the mid-east are fond of desalination plants... ""A typical American uses 80 to 100 gallons of water a day, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. The entire country consumes about 323 billion gallons per day of surface water and another 84.5 billion gallons of ground water. If half of this water came from desalination, the United States would need more than 100 extra electric power plants, each with a gigawatt of capacity. Depending on local energy prices, 1,000 gallons of desalinated seawater can cost around $3 or $4. Although that might not seem like much, it is still cheaper in many places to pump water out of the ground or import it from somewhere else."" More, or check out Wiki www.livescience.com/4510-desalination-work.html
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Post by jamesp on Jun 12, 2015 7:20:10 GMT -5
Nuclear powered desalination/small reactor technology:
Water Desalination
Readily available drinking water is out of reach for as much as a fifth of the world’s population, a bar to human development. One solution is water desalination, which extracts salt from seawater to produce drinkable fresh water. Nuclear energy is being used for some desalination efforts, but the potential in this arena is enormous and has multiple benefits over the more common fossil-fuel based desalination.
Desalination – How and Where It Is Done
Desalination plants largely use fossil fuels, contributing to increased greenhouse gas emissions. There are about 15,000 plants producing desalinated water, most in the Middle East and North Africa—the largest is in Saudi Arabia.
Most desalination is accomplished through a process called reverse osmosis, which pressurizes seawater and forces it through a membrane against its osmotic pressure, extracting the salt. A second process, called multi-stage flash distillation, uses a steam-based process to filter salt and other minerals. It has proven less cost-effective than reverse osmosis even though it produces purer water. There are a few hybrid plants that use elements of both methods.
Any process to produce fresh water is extremely energy-intensive, which drives costs up. The cost of water differs significantly in different parts of the world. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates that tap water averages about $2 per 1,000 gallons. The Coquina Coast Seawater Desalination Project in Florida estimates its costs at between $6.27 and $7.74 per 1,000 gallons.
The cost differential is based on fossil-fuel-generated water. Using nuclear energy can achieve exceptional economies of scale, driving the cost down. Tunisia sponsored research on the topic and found that costs for nuclear-powered desalination were about a third to a half less than using fossil fuels, depending on the desalination technology used.
Nuclear Desalination Is Not New
Several countries have implemented nuclear desalination, including India, Japan and Kazakhstan. The latter operated a 750 megawatt thermal facility for over a quarter century, generating not only desalinated water, but process heat and electricity as well. Nuclear-energy-powered water desalination is a well-understood technology, with thousands of man-hours behind it.
Small Nuclear Reactors and Desalination: Perfect Together
More recently, Argentina, China and South Korea have developed small nuclear reactor designs specifically to generate both electricity and fresh water. These run from 5 to 330 megawatts thermal. Russia has designed a barge-like floating nuclear facility, operating at 80 megawatts thermal. Small reactor technology may be key to expanding clean, nuclear energy-based desalination.
Though nuclear energy has not displaced fossil fuels in water desalination projects, it has emerged from the background in the last several years, especially as climate change has become an important concern and small reactor technology has matured.
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Post by gemfeller on Jun 12, 2015 11:31:17 GMT -5
Desalination has been going on for years in CA. Even that bastion of effete liberalism, Santa Barbara, built a plant but decommissioned it when the last drought ended. It's now in the process of being reopened. Even my little coastal town has nearly completed a de-sal plant to process groundwater that's been turned salty by underground percolation from the ocean.
Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant has been desalting ocean water for its own needs for years:
www.sanluisobispo.com/2015/06/03/3663220/diablo-canyon-desalination-plant.html
There's no reason CA and other coastal regions can't supply their own requirements for potable water except for the pathological fear of nuke power on the part of progressive elites like the Sahara Club and its ilk. France gets around 76% of its electricity from nuclear power and has used it for many years. If the French can manage that feat, why can't we?
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/readings/french.html
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 12, 2015 11:55:31 GMT -5
Never used to worry about nuclear power plants, until things started going wrong with San Onofre. It's probably no more than 50 miles north of me. They started getting leaks in their cooling system, then to cut corners, fixed those leaks with cheap, inferior products that failed in no time. Kind of scary, in hindsight, how little regard they had for the environment and people living nearby. The people that run these things aren't out to save the world with "clean" nuclear power, they are out to make a buck.
The plant has been taken off-line, but is still hot, and will be for years. Now they are expecting rate payers to pay for their bad decisions. And, of course, now that this huge source of electricity has dried up, we now have to build more power generating plants, chiefly natural gas burning ones. Oh, and then there are all the solar and wind farms going up everywhere, changing the landscape, killing the wildlife.
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Post by captbob on Jun 12, 2015 12:29:32 GMT -5
FLASHBACK: ABC's ’08 Prediction: NYC Under Water from Climate Change By June 2015newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-juneNew York City underwater? Gas over $9 a gallon? A carton of milk costs almost $13? Welcome to June 12, 2015. Or at least that was the wildly-inaccurate version of 2015 predicted by ABC News exactly seven years ago. Appearing on Good Morning America in 2008, Bob Woodruff hyped Earth 2100, a special that pushed apocalyptic predictions of the then-futuristic 2015.
The segment included supposedly prophetic videos, such as a teenager declaring, "It's June 8th, 2015. One carton of milk is $12.99." (On the actual June 8, 2015, a gallon of milk cost, on average, $3.39.) Another clip featured this prediction for the current year: "Gas reached over $9 a gallon." (In reality, gas costs an average of $2.75.) ... On June 13, 2008, ABCNews.com promoted the special by hyperventilating, "Are we living in the last century of our civilization?" Unlike the 2015 predictions, that suggestion hasn't (yet) been proven wrong.
Seven years later, the network has quietly ignored its horribly inaccurate predictions about 2015. When it comes to global warming claims, apparently results don't matter for ABC. ************************************************************** We're all gonna die!
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Post by parfive on Jun 12, 2015 13:20:02 GMT -5
Actually, the underwater part showed up thirty-one and a half months early.
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Post by captbob on Jun 12, 2015 13:46:08 GMT -5
Gonna blame hurricane Sandy on "global warming" too?
Hurricanes happen...
grasping for straws ain'tcha?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 15:49:30 GMT -5
I didn't write it, I didn't film it but thought it might be significant because, well, it was sponsored by The Weather Chanel, you know, the people that study the weather. Jim You will have to go to the trouble of copy and paste. Maybe. weather.climate25.com/about/There are are only a few issues more contentious than climate change in American political life. But while the climate change debate rages in some quarters, in others, most notably among those who study the climate, there is wide consensus. It’s for this reason that The Weather Channel has adopted a position on climate change that can generally be summed up as follows: we report the science, and the science consistently says climate change is real, humans are causing it, and we must prepare for its effects.
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 12, 2015 15:55:05 GMT -5
Polar Bears Eat Dolphins as Arctic Warms by Wochit 0:52 mins Norwegian scientists have seen polar bears eating dolphins in the Arctic for the first time ever and blame global warming for the bears expanding their diet. Polar bears feed mainly on seals but Jon Aars at the Norwegian Polar Institute has photographed dolphins being devoured by a bear and published his findings in the latest edition of Polar Research this month. Aars said, “It is likely that new species are appearing in the diet of polar bears due to climate change because new species are finding their way north.” The first incident he documented was in April 2014 when his team came across a polar feeding on the carcasses of two white-beaked dolphins. screen.yahoo.com/polar-bears-eat-dolphins-arctic-081429707.html
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 12, 2015 17:58:03 GMT -5
I didn't write it, I didn't film it but thought it might be significant because, well, it was sponsored by The Weather Chanel, you know, the people that study the weather. Jim You will have to go to the trouble of copy and paste. Maybe. weather.climate25.com/about/There are are only a few issues more contentious than climate change in American political life. But while the climate change debate rages in some quarters, in others, most notably among those who study the climate, there is wide consensus. It’s for this reason that The Weather Channel has adopted a position on climate change that can generally be summed up as follows: we report the science, and the science consistently says climate change is real, humans are causing it, and we must prepare for its effects. I didn't write it or produce it. But this guy founded the Weather Channel.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 12, 2015 18:10:00 GMT -5
you know, the people that study the weather.
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Post by captbob on Jun 12, 2015 18:15:25 GMT -5
You know, the people that are owned by the same turds that own NBC. No liberal bias there! Discovery channel is just as bad. If a flea bites a dog on a Discovery program it's probably going to be attributed to "global warming".
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Post by jamesp on Jun 12, 2015 18:37:44 GMT -5
Desalination has been going on for years in CA. Even that bastion of effete liberalism, Santa Barbara, built a plant but decommissioned it when the last drought ended. It's now in the process of being reopened. Even my little coastal town has nearly completed a de-sal plant to process groundwater that's been turned salty by underground percolation from the ocean.
Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant has been desalting ocean water for its own needs for years:
www.sanluisobispo.com/2015/06/03/3663220/diablo-canyon-desalination-plant.html
There's no reason CA and other coastal regions can't supply their own requirements for potable water except for the pathological fear of nuke power on the part of progressive elites like the Sahara Club and its ilk. France gets around 76% of its electricity from nuclear power and has used it for many years. If the French can manage that feat, why can't we?
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/readings/french.html Interesting that they shut them down in wet periods. Use only as needed. Does de-sal water taste good gemfeller ? A lot of bottled water around here has gone through reverse osmosis, buffered, etc. Most of it tastes great. I own an artesian well that has great tasting water. it is rich in minerals and has a tint of salt in it. It even effects my stomach and digestive system positively.(TMI) And I drink that water for 2 months out every year for the past 15 years. Same benefits every year. The next property over had his well tested and tried to start a bottling plant till the neighbors tripped out and nixed it. Coca Cola was interested in partnering with him. To be sold as 'designer water' due to it's desirable mineral content. A lot of bottling operations receiving tremendous opposition from adjacent land owners. Ha, land owners opposing that own free flowing artesian wells that let them run 24 hours a day into the lake or canals. But moving a few miles away the water has sulfa, and bubblers have to be installed. Uh, rotten egg water. So it is a small area. The guy that drilled these wells also drilled test well in Silver Springs FL. Water tested excellent. So the proprietor had a 12 inch well drilled via commercial permit and dropped a high output 3 phase pump in the well. Water required minimal treatment and became a serious water bottling operation.
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