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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 18:59:37 GMT -5
I keep trying to our fox you guys but you are so smart. Jim
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 12, 2015 19:01:28 GMT -5
Sorry all, I looked into Rodger Reville and he does check out fully. thing is he never stated climate change would not happen, just at a slower rate then predicted. I agree on one thing here for sure, Al Gore is just a greedy dog using false statements and data. Search a little deeper and the science is there? Contrary to George Will's "Al Gore's Green Guilt" Roger Revelle—our father and the "father" of the greenhouse effect—remained deeply concerned about global warming until his death in July 1991. That same year he wrote: "The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time." Will and other critics of Sen. Al Gore have seized these words to suggest that Revelle, who was also Gore's professor and mentor, renounced his belief in global warming. Nothing could be further from the truth. When Revelle inveighed against "drastic" action, he was using that adjective in its literal sense—measures that would cost trillions of dollars. Up until his death, he thought that extreme measures were premature. But he continued to recommend immediate prudent steps to mitigate and delay climatic warming. Some of those steps go well beyond anything Gore or other national politicians have yet to advocate. [...] Revelle proposed a range of approaches to address global warming. Inaction was not one of them. He agreed with the adage "look before you leap," but he never said "sit on your hands en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 19:35:44 GMT -5
Gotta agree about Gore and every other wealthy person that does not have enough money.
Hmmmm, maybe I am so smart. Na, I am not one of the, I know everything because I am a repelican and the big shot repelicans told me it is so, crowd. I am just a neither dumbocrat or a repelican with an OPEN mind. And I am not so bull headed that I can not change my shoes. This leaves me open to jump back and forth from one side to the other. hahahahahahahaha Jim This time I am setting the odds at 51 to 48 with 1 at no answer. This is a fun game.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 12, 2015 22:35:11 GMT -5
Sorry all, I looked into Rodger Reville and he does check out fully. thing is he never stated climate change would not happen, just at a slower rate then predicted. I agree on one thing here for sure, Al Gore is just a greedy dog using false statements and data. Search a little deeper and the science is there? Contrary to George Will's "Al Gore's Green Guilt" Roger Revelle—our father and the "father" of the greenhouse effect—remained deeply concerned about global warming until his death in July 1991. That same year he wrote: "The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time." Will and other critics of Sen. Al Gore have seized these words to suggest that Revelle, who was also Gore's professor and mentor, renounced his belief in global warming. Nothing could be further from the truth. When Revelle inveighed against "drastic" action, he was using that adjective in its literal sense—measures that would cost trillions of dollars. Up until his death, he thought that extreme measures were premature. But he continued to recommend immediate prudent steps to mitigate and delay climatic warming. Some of those steps go well beyond anything Gore or other national politicians have yet to advocate. [...] Revelle proposed a range of approaches to address global warming. Inaction was not one of them. He agreed with the adage "look before you leap," but he never said "sit on your hands en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_RevelleI wonder if it is possible that part of Revelle's call to a more prudent approach may have stemmed from the fact that this "green" movement is about nothing more than folding green. most of the "green stuff" foisted on the public is just more snake oil to line the pockets of the elite environmental oligarchy and take more of our liberties. The environmental movement of the 1970's, the one in response to the coming ice age, had something going for it called the 3 R's. Reduce, use less stuff Reuse, make your stuff last longer Recycle, when it reaches the end of it's life (better yet re-purpose) The new movement is more like the 3 P's Purchase lots of stuff you don't really need Pay more taxes Prostrate yourself before your new masters, obey them without question.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 13, 2015 4:47:13 GMT -5
John Coleman has it figured out. That is a great video bushmanbilly. Never knew the history of how global warming theory came about. I believe I was barely out of grade school when I settled on belief of natural heating and cooling cycles. Started hunted recent ice age mammal bones and various aged native man's artifacts almost 50 years ago as a child and as a hobby to this day. I guess I found too many shark's teeth at 400 feet above sea level, LOL. Never raised a brow to the political impacts and theories of a man made global warming. Thought it was a joke and still do. Only after this thread have I learned about the players of this claim. And the impact of such a rouse. Nothing new, the masses being led astray by a few in power, politics and media. surf's up !! Always figured that sattelite launched nuclear weapons was a real man made threat. In that capacity man darn near has the ability to destroy himself. Pollution is for real. No doubt. Don't think CO2 is the one to target.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 13, 2015 5:58:49 GMT -5
Archeology has a story to tell regarding the recent ice age. Lithic evidence in the form of spear points. By simply digging in layers and classifying ancient man's spear point styles in say 10 states in the SE US. Can't speak for the west, but thousands of such archeological digs in the east have arrived at the same layering of styles of ancient man's points. Spear points don't rot. And the various styles are uncovered from top layer in soil(most recent) to bottom most layer. Establishing a relative chronology. Not age, but chronology. At critical topographical sites that were obvious and for many good reasons occupied by ancient man. Over a long period of time. Range of styles and their chronology is very repetitive in these digs. The latest points being Mississippian and oldest being paleo era. To add to the significance of these style points is 1) in what quantity they are found and 2) what they were found with. Foremost is Daltons, Clovis, Greenbrier, Folsoms, Cumberlands, other paleo style points. They were found at ancient butcher sites of ice age buffalo. They are rare, insinuating a smaller earlier ancient population. They are about always at the deepest level at multi-era occupied site/camp digs. They are found further out in the ocean when man camped under water ha. They are found in great percentages on the bottom of rivers that were mere spring flows during the ice age, along with fire rings. Under water fire rings ha. The other extreme is Mississippian aged tiny bird points for instance. Found on the uppermost levels of the dig. And often in a rich flat fields where the more recent ancients practiced farming. And if a farmer deep discs his fields as normal once every several years up comes woodland and archaic points. Pretty much like clock work. Forensic evidence. Same chronology basically exists on most of the U.S. east of the Mississippi River. The Folsom site, New Mexico: Folsom Site or Wild Horse Arroyo (29CX1), about 8 miles west of Folsom, New Mexico, is the archaeological site that is the type site for the Folsom tradition, a Paleo-Indian cultural sequence dating to between 9000 BC and 8000 BC. The Folsom Site was excavated in 1926 and found to have been a marsh-side kill site or camp where 23 bison had been killed using distinctive tools, known as Folsom points. This site is significant because it was the first time that artifacts indisputably made by humans were found directly associated with faunal remains from an extinct form of bison from the Late Pleistocene. The information culled from this site was the first of a set of discoveries that would allow archaeologists to revise their estimations for the time of arrival of Native Americans on the North American continent. One of the recovered Folsom points, fluted and very similar to the pale points found way over here in the east: Another Folsom site with similar points and extinct ice age buffalo. This time in Colorado. lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/2012marchlindenmeiersitepage1.htmBatch of points way over here in the east from the Suwannee River Arrowheads found at camps now under sea water: ""Many ancient springs and riverbeds now lie offshore , submerged by modern ocean waters as sea level rose after the end of the Ice Age. Underwater archaeologists have located Paleo-Indian sites along these submerged riverbeds in the Gulf of Mexico."" Read more: www.turtleharbormounds.com/about-2/apalachicola-archaeology/paleoindian-period/
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 13, 2015 7:25:28 GMT -5
Hey all I cant say I am an Activist for Global warming and I also dont deny it isnt happening, like Jim mentions , I try to keep an open mind to it all first. I take all this info toss it up in the air,when it falls back down, I start to fish the fact from the fiction and try to weed out the propaganda, like Shotgunner said to me at one time " Google it". I give you all a lot of credit for raising great points clearing up the lies and truth for one particular contributor of this ever growing phenomenon, other then the BS artists like Al Gore and mainstream media who feed us all propaganda and only gain wealth for themselves and in reality, do not support the real problem we "wont" face in our lifetime, but our kids and there kids might be up-against. So keep up the good fight, and dont stop posting the info you all find. It makes it easier for us all to weed out the fiction and the facts. Bushman you opened my mind more with the BS oil has gotten for years. I wasnt trying to pick on you. It isnt just one player that causes the symptoms, many different factors have come together to cause this and natural factors also play a role. Thanks again, to all of you.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 13, 2015 8:20:52 GMT -5
Great to hear the range of opinions spiritstone. Level of conviction, the view points and knowledge. Some clever folks sounding off. Lots of experience.
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Post by mohs on Jun 13, 2015 9:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 13, 2015 9:23:12 GMT -5
Hey all I cant say I am an Activist for Global warming and I also dont deny it isnt happening, like Jim mentions , I try to keep an open mind to it all first. I take all this info toss it up in the air,when it falls back down, I start to fish the fact from the fiction and try to weed out the propaganda, like Shotgunner said to me at one time " Google it". I give you all a lot of credit for raising great points clearing up the lies and truth for one particular contributor of this ever growing phenomenon, other then the BS artists like Al Gore and mainstream media who feed us all propaganda and only gain wealth for themselves and in reality, do not support the real problem we "wont" face in our lifetime, but our kids and there kids might be up-against. So keep up the good fight, and dont stop posting the info you all find. It makes it easier for us all to weed out the fiction and the facts. Bushman you opened my mind more with the BS oil has gotten for years. I wasnt trying to pick on you. It isnt just one player that causes the symptoms, many different factors have come together to cause this and natural factors also play a role. Thanks again, to all of you. The fossil fuel industry is the best to pick on. Everyone knows about it. Its part of everyone's life. Yes even the greens who hate it use it EVERY DAY. Big oil is made out to be the biggest thieves because of the huge money involved. Even though their profits per gallon are the lowest of most products on the market today. www.forbes.com/2011/05/10/oil-company-earnings.htmlIndustry profit margins are cyclical too. But on average, between 2006 and 2010, the largest oil companies averaged a profit margin of around 6.5%. This pales in comparison to profit margins in just about every other industry. The pharmaceutical industry, for example, routinely averages a profit margin of about 16%. The soft drink market is even more lucrative.
At the gas tank integrated oil companies make about 7 cents per gallon. Meanwhile, the government extracts more than 48 cents, on average, per gallon. That’s right: Uncle Sam takes nearly seven times more out of drivers’ wallets via taxation than “Big Oil.”Another great interview about the GW CO2 scam. He says a mouth full at the 18:30 mark.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 13, 2015 9:28:22 GMT -5
Who would have thunk it? CO2 is plant food! Maybe the real goal of the GW alarmists is population control!!! Less CO2 means less food produced for the world. What an easier way of control the people. Take their food away.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 13, 2015 12:14:28 GMT -5
There’s nothing in that cartoon, James, that differed to any degree from IPCC’s reports. The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report described studies that estimated sea level rise for the 20th century between 0.5 and 3.0 mm a year. The most likely range, according to the IPCC, was between 1.0 and 2.0 mm a year. 1970 emissions levels are irrelevant, by the way, unless you’re interested in mitigation by particle pollution. : ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauna_Loa_CO2_monthly_mean_concentration.svg
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Post by mohs on Jun 13, 2015 12:25:37 GMT -5
is that a polar bear taking a dump
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Post by mohs on Jun 13, 2015 12:27:43 GMT -5
some solutions:
sow the oceans with iron to trigger plankton blooms, which would absorb carbon dioxide, die, and settle to the sea floor; send a trillion mirrors into orbit to deflect incoming sunlight; launch a fleet of robotic ships to whip up sea spray and whiten the cloud ; mimic the planet-cooling sulfur-dioxide miasmas of explosive volcanoes, either by an artillery barrage of sulfur-dioxide aerosol rounds fired into the stratosphere or by high-altitude blimps hauling up 18-mile hoses...
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 13, 2015 12:42:28 GMT -5
is that a polar bear taking a dump mostly? No..........that's a polar bear recycling a Dolphin!
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Post by mohs on Jun 13, 2015 13:32:22 GMT -5
we could say that polar bear did that on porpoise ?
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 13, 2015 19:06:54 GMT -5
Hey all I cant say I am an Activist for Global warming and I also dont deny it isnt happening, like Jim mentions , I try to keep an open mind to it all first. I take all this info toss it up in the air,when it falls back down, I start to fish the fact from the fiction and try to weed out the propaganda, like Shotgunner said to me at one time " Google it". I give you all a lot of credit for raising great points clearing up the lies and truth for one particular contributor of this ever growing phenomenon, other then the BS artists like Al Gore and mainstream media who feed us all propaganda and only gain wealth for themselves and in reality, do not support the real problem we "wont" face in our lifetime, but our kids and there kids might be up-against. So keep up the good fight, and dont stop posting the info you all find. It makes it easier for us all to weed out the fiction and the facts. Bushman you opened my mind more with the BS oil has gotten for years. I wasnt trying to pick on you. It isnt just one player that causes the symptoms, many different factors have come together to cause this and natural factors also play a role. Thanks again, to all of you. The fossil fuel industry is the best to pick on. Everyone knows about it. Its part of everyone's life. Yes even the greens who hate it use it EVERY DAY. Big oil is made out to be the biggest thieves because of the huge money involved. Even though their profits per gallon are the lowest of most products on the market today. www.forbes.com/2011/05/10/oil-company-earnings.htmlIndustry profit margins are cyclical too. But on average, between 2006 and 2010, the largest oil companies averaged a profit margin of around 6.5%. This pales in comparison to profit margins in just about every other industry. The pharmaceutical industry, for example, routinely averages a profit margin of about 16%. The soft drink market is even more lucrative.
At the gas tank integrated oil companies make about 7 cents per gallon. Meanwhile, the government extracts more than 48 cents, on average, per gallon. That’s right: Uncle Sam takes nearly seven times more out of drivers’ wallets via taxation than “Big Oil.”Another great interview about the GW CO2 scam. He says a mouth full at the 18:30 mark. You werent supposed to give away my identity? LMAO Excellent Vid!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 13, 2015 21:22:28 GMT -5
John Coleman had it figured out. That is a great video bushmanbilly. Never knew the history of how global warming theory came about. I believe I was barely out of grade school when I settled on belief of natural heating and cooling cycles. Started hunted recent ice age mammal bones and various aged native man's artifacts almost 50 years ago as a child and as a hobby to this day. I guess I found too many shark's teeth at 400 feet above sea level, LOL. Never raised a brow to the political impacts and theories of a man made global warming. Thought it was a joke and still do. Only after this thread have I learned about the players of this claim. And the impact of such a rouse. Nothing new, the masses being led astray by a few in power, politics and media. surf's up !! Always figured that sattelite launched nuclear weapons was a real man made threat. In that capacity man darn near has the ability to destroy himself. Pollution is for real. No doubt. Don't think CO2 is the one to target. Loved to watch John Coleman's weather forecasts. If I wanted to know what the weather was really going to do, I watched him. Other "meteorologists" couldn't hold a candle to him. He was network material, but worked for an independent station in San Diego for 20 years. He did not hide how be felt about "global warming," he was pretty outspoken about it. In April of last year, he just disappeared off the radar (pun intended). He announced his retirement one afternoon, then was never on the air again. Although he was past retirement age (80 or so), I really think differences of opinion between him and the station on this topic is why he left how he left. I know he rubbed some people the wrong way, but I thought he was great! EDIT to add - Right after he made his announcement to retire, the local ABC affiliate ran a story, and had this to say about him: "He has also been politically active over the years as a booster of H. Ross Perot's Reform Party in the 1990s and a critic of the science behind global warming."Really? The science behind global warming? Sorry, not buying it. Used to be the media would report the news, not bend it and tell you their opinion of it, what they want you to hear!!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 14, 2015 0:02:31 GMT -5
we could say that polar bear did that on porpoise ? Definitely a porpoiseful act. If they have a seal shortage problem I would love to send them like half a million salmon gorging sea lions. Save the porpoises and all...
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Post by jamesp on Jun 14, 2015 6:22:16 GMT -5
Mr. Coleman sure nuff spelled out global warming as a normal cycle of the earth about as clear as could be done rockpickerforever. Ha, driving across the western U.S. makes you wonder how much CO2 was created by the vast lava flows you guys have out there. How many volcano shafts and square miles of lava covers the ground out there ? You would think that all that lava production dwarfed modern man's impacts. Look at the energy, heat and dust generated by Mt. St. Helen. Imagine 100's(1000's) of Mt St Helen's spewing. Ex. Dumb Georgia boy goes to Woodward ranch. Sees a volcanic pinnacle standing high in the air on the ranch. Walks around for a mile or two on red looking basalt. The owner mentions that geologic tests says it(the basalt) is 750 feet deep. She tells me to look for biscuits . Ah, biscuit shaped agates formed in bubbles of basalt. I get it. Got to thinking, basalt(basically lava) 750 feet deep ? That is a lot of lava. How much heat and gases were produced from so much molten rock ? Just the volcano on that one ranch probably produced enough heat/energy to provide for the entire modern world for a period of time. Looking off to the SE are a whole series of similar pinnacles(Big Bend). Add their input to the gas production. Dust/heat/other type gases. Doesn't a large portion of your agates come from bubbles in lava flows ? Like from Texas to Calif to Canada and back down to Texas ? Then traveling down to S. Texas and the area is covered for miles with same agate biscuits washed down from Mexico, TX, NM. Marfa, Mexican, Woodward, Big Bend, Richardson, all identified agates from the volcanic hillsides over looking the Rio Grande River. Just saying, that is a lot of heat and energy production compared to what ever man is doing this day. Like X1000-X10,000, X100,000, more ??
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