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Post by Pat on Jan 29, 2017 16:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe 1Mark should chime in about now.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jan 29, 2017 16:39:14 GMT -5
I've never seen a newsletter since I have been here. Yes, major bummer! Thank you for giving it a shot, Tommy. Mark does not seem to realize the value of this site is it's members. He seems to think it is worth more than it is, typical. What can we do if he won't listen to reason? How about if we devalue it for him, or at least get him to see how important all of us are to the viability of the site? I propose we ALL boycott the site, just for two days, to show him what the loss of the members would do. Without us, it is nothing, and may make it look less attractive to prospective buyers. Two days at first, maybe a week the next time. After that, he may listen to reason, and his price may come down. I have worked for a business that was sold, and I was one of the commodities that went with it. It sucked! Just a thought. -- If we can get the Mods to cooperate, why not purge the members list of the deadbeats ? Those who signed up years ago, and have never contributed or posted a single thing. Start with the earliest members & start working up the list towards the more recent ? Drop a couple thousand deadbeat members & the forums value should drop. Might be worth thinking about.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 29, 2017 16:49:46 GMT -5
I've never seen a newsletter since I have been here. Yes, major bummer! Thank you for giving it a shot, Tommy. Mark does not seem to realize the value of this site is it's members. He seems to think it is worth more than it is, typical. What can we do if he won't listen to reason? How about if we devalue it for him, or at least get him to see how important all of us are to the viability of the site? I propose we ALL boycott the site, just for two days, to show him what the loss of the members would do. Without us, it is nothing, and may make it look less attractive to prospective buyers. Two days at first, maybe a week the next time. After that, he may listen to reason, and his price may come down. I have worked for a business that was sold, and I was one of the commodities that went with it. It sucked! Just a thought. -- If we can get the Mods to cooperate, why not purge the members list of the deadbeats ? Those who signed up years ago, and have never contributed or posted a single thing. Start with the earliest members & start working up the list towards the more recent ? Drop a couple thousand deadbeat members & the forums value should drop. Might be worth thinking about. But, don't the moderators essentially work for Mark?
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Post by captbob on Jan 29, 2017 16:57:54 GMT -5
Uh... this is STILL Mark's forum! WE don't make the rules (yet). Boycotts and revolt and anarchy! Greedy for wanting a reasonable (my opinion) price. A person would have to be insane to want this zoo! After stuff like this, I'd unplug it and walk away, never looking back to admire the pandemonium created. ETA: ya'll may want to pursue that group buy thing . just sayin'
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Post by jakesrocks on Jan 29, 2017 17:03:10 GMT -5
[/quote]But, don't the moderators essentially work for Mark?
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The Mods are all contributing members of RTH with long standing membership first, who I believe volunteered to be Mods. Mark could certainly take away their Mod tools, but if this were done quickly enough the damage would be done. Much of RTH's value is based on the number of members. A few years back the suggestion was made to remove deadbeat members. I believe it was mark who vetoed the idea.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 29, 2017 17:23:06 GMT -5
Greedy for wanting a reasonable (my opinion) price. Do you have inside knowledge of that reasonable price? I haven't heard of one. That's the problem. We don't know. If we did, it would be a lot easier to come up with the commitments to fund it. Also, what you have to consider is that this a proboards owned forum. The purchase is really for the website. The admin rights would just be a handshake deal. So, it's kind of a good faith purchase- an expensive one- for just the board.
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Post by captbob on Jan 29, 2017 18:15:23 GMT -5
I don't believe this. Don is suggesting that the Mods damage what is not theirs and Tela "likes" the post.
Changing the Administrative control on Proboards forums happens daily.
Ya'll want to save the forum or sabotage it?
The ballpark price is out there. Buy it if ya'll want to.
I sure wouldn't want to (anymore), not with a membership that thinks boycotts and what amounts to vandalism is acceptable.
The ends justify the means? Is that it? Who the OOPS does that sound like?
criminy ...
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2017 18:28:34 GMT -5
I did not call for sabotage, only a peaceful boycott.
Desperate times call for desperate measures...
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 29, 2017 18:31:31 GMT -5
I don't believe this. Don is suggesting that the Mods damage what is not theirs and Tela "likes" the post. Changing the Administrative control on Proboards forums happens daily. Ya'll want to save the forum or sabotage it? The ballpark price is out there. Buy it if ya'll want to. I sure wouldn't want to (anymore), not with a membership that thinks boycotts and what amounts to vandalism is acceptable. The ends justify the means? Is that it? Who the OOPS does that sound like? criminy ... I like the idea of trimming the member list of the non participating members. It just makes sense. If for no other reason than it frees up some cool screen names. Plus, it gives a more realistic idea of how many people are using the site. That gives US, as potential buyers, a better idea of value, too. Not value to us, but a fair value in general. I have told a few people that I know about the drama going on, they remarked that if it is a labor of love, a forum stemming from a fun hobby and not making a profit or living, then it seems like he would be happy to pass on the baton for it to carry on as something he built. Now, I'm not saying that he doesn't have a right to sell or make a profit. I just think he could be doing this in a way for the board to carry on with his blessings. Like set a fair price and give the members a chance to buy it before putting it up for silent auction. But, in the end, the website is his to do with as he wishes. However, a lot of bad feelings are being made with people that, should they make the purchase, would be expected to accept a handshake for the forum. You can make of the comments what you want. I just think people are frustrated and concerned about something that they also had a stake in building.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jan 29, 2017 18:31:39 GMT -5
I don't believe this. Don is suggesting that the Mods damage what is not theirs and Tela "likes" the post. Changing the Administrative control on Proboards forums happens daily. Ya'll want to save the forum or sabotage it? The ballpark price is out there. Buy it if ya'll want to. I sure wouldn't want to (anymore), not with a membership that thinks boycotts and what amounts to vandalism is acceptable. The ends justify the means? Is that it? Who the OOPS does that sound like? criminy ... What's vandalism about removing members who joined way back in 2003, Never posted a single thing, & who haven't logged in again since the day they joined ? What's vandalism about removing members who joined way back then & only posted once to try to sell something, & haven't logged in since ? There must be 100 deadbeats in the first 10 pages of members alone who joined between 2003 & 2006, & haven't been back since.
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Post by captbob on Jan 29, 2017 18:45:27 GMT -5
What's vandalism about removing members who joined way back in 2003, Never posted a single thing, & who haven't logged in again since the day they joined ? What's vandalism about removing members who joined way back then & only posted once to try to sell something, & haven't logged in since ? There must be 100 deadbeats in the first 10 pages of members alone who joined between 2003 & 2006, & haven't been back since. I understand that Jean. But "sabotage" was also brought up. Don, it is not yours or anyone else's decision to make. This is Mark's forum. The new owner(s) may do as they wish. "desperate times" "people are frustrated" And the inmates are trying to run the asylum! So come up with a couple/few thousand and buy the darn thing and have a nice day. That was the plan less than a week ago. It's an auction type sale. We deal with them daily on eBay and don't raise a stink. It ain't gonna take anywhere near 5,000 bucks to walk away with this thing. Half that probably. Not that tough. Betcha wishing that you had taken my offer huh Mark? Sorry, I'm out. No way I'd touch this now.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jan 29, 2017 18:52:18 GMT -5
I don't believe this. Don is suggesting that the Mods damage what is not theirs and Tela "likes" the post. Changing the Administrative control on Proboards forums happens daily. Ya'll want to save the forum or sabotage it? The ballpark price is out there. Buy it if ya'll want to. I sure wouldn't want to (anymore), not with a membership that thinks boycotts and what amounts to vandalism is acceptable. The ends justify the means? Is that it? Who the OOPS does that sound like? criminy ... I like the idea of trimming the member list of the non participating members. It just makes sense. If for no other reason than it frees up some cool screen names. Plus, it gives a more realistic idea of how many people are using the site. That gives US, as potential buyers, a better idea of value, too. Not value to us, but a fair value in general. I have told a few people that I know about the drama going on, they remarked that if it is a labor of love, a forum stemming from a fun hobby and not making a profit or living, then it seems like he would be happy to pass on the baton for it to carry on as something he built. Now, I'm not saying that he doesn't have a right to sell or make a profit. I just think he could be doing this in a way for the board to carry on with his blessings. Like set a fair price and give the members a chance to buy it before putting it up for silent auction. But, in the end, the website is his to do with as he wishes. However, a lot of bad feelings are being made with people that, should they make the purchase, would be expected to accept a handshake for the forum. You can make of the comments what you want. I just think people are frustrated and concerned about something that they also had a stake in building. I used to have a site that taught juggling. I made around 60 short, looping videos to demonstrate various tricks. Before YouTube got popular, I was getting a little over 100 hits per day from people all over the world. There was no forum, just my videos and instructions. I spent a ton of time making those videos, but I had fun doing so. I'd get a couple emails a month from people who wrote to tell me how much they appreciated the site. Many of them said that it was the best site on the Internet to learn juggling from. I had Google ads for a while and then ads from a juggling prop vendor, but they never came close to covering my expenses. I was only paying about $100 a year. Eventually, I lost interest in juggling and we had a big pay cut at work, so I decided to stop paying for my web site. About a month after I pulled the plug, someone tracked me down to ask if he could put my videos on his site. I was very happy to hand all of my hard work over so that people could still use it. The thought of trying to make a buck off of the site never even occurred to me. The site is old and uses QuickTime video, but here it is if anyone wants to learn to juggle: Wildcat JugglersI feel like this situation is very similar to that.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2017 20:08:46 GMT -5
Maybe 1Mark should chime in about now. Pat, you tagged one of those people Don jakesrocks was talking about, someone who became a member long ago, and has not been online in ages. Inflated member numbers! I agree, people that have not been active in a long time should be purged. I don't see a problem with that. I am on my tablet, so don't have the numbers at hand. A couple weeks ago, I went through the member list and got some numbers. Of the 8000+ members, around 1000 have been online in the last year. There are less than 200 people that post regularly, what I consider the core. Actually, less than abput 150. Not counted in the tally are people that are logged in invisibally, they don't show up as logged in members. I don't always log I when I go to the forum. I may be on my desktop computer, laptop, tablet or phone, like I'm sure many others are. Sometimes I even log in at my dad's on his computer. All having different IPs, so that can quadruple the number of assumed hits! I am not an anarchist, just would like some answers, and open communications.
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Post by captbob on Jan 29, 2017 20:14:36 GMT -5
1Mark is Mark. Changed his original forum ID name. There are others here that have done this and when you try to tag their current name it reverts back to what they used when they joined.
I am not saying the membership might oughta be purged of "dead" user names. But it's not our call at this point.
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RTH SALE
Jan 29, 2017 20:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by Pat on Jan 29, 2017 20:23:20 GMT -5
rockpickerforeverI had typed in just plain at sign Mark several times. Always reverted to what you see. Captbob explains it. Easier if folks just stick to one name.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2017 21:35:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Pat. I read what captbob said, not your fault. For the record, his screen name is admin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 21:52:15 GMT -5
This,thread is silly.
Im glad I missed it. Nothing to,contribute. Sorry.
As you were.
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Post by parfive on Jan 29, 2017 21:56:11 GMT -5
admin? What’s wrong with Mark?
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Post by parfive on Jan 29, 2017 21:56:57 GMT -5
Bonus question:
WhoTF is andy in . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
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Post by spiceman on Jan 29, 2017 22:00:34 GMT -5
Tommy, your a stand up guy. Either way it goes, you did it right. Thank you
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