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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 22, 2017 19:19:00 GMT -5
I have been really happy with the ones I have gotten from toiv0 so I will recommend him as a trusted source. Any time you are just buying lakers by the pound sight unseen you will get a percentage of junk agate. I have purchased over 100 pounds and have only yielded about 35 pounds of keepers that have good color and pattern. The rest have just been tossed into my mixed rock bins. Chuck when you buy agates from the pickers you have to go through them and cast off the jaspers and cherts which are sometimes half the booty. This is the case with the last I bought, this brings their purchase price up to double what you paid. Then as Chuck said even if not sight unseen when you start cherry picking the price goes up again. I just pay a per pound price and take what is offered. When I ship out some to someone its the same senerio, I just dip into the bucket and what comes out comes out, I do try and make sure there is some nice ones in the mix. Well said. There are a couple really good sellers on Ebay that list one pound lots of 10-12 of them with very clear photos of each rock. Those are the highest prices per pound I have paid but it is the only way to get guaranteed 100 percent usable agates. Chuck
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Post by jamesp on Mar 23, 2017 5:40:40 GMT -5
Funny how one unique find like that can capture all the attention. Treasured beyond the whole 2 ton pile sitting in the back yard.
"Where there is one there is more"
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 23, 2017 8:58:31 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think.
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 23, 2017 9:25:32 GMT -5
From the viewpoint of a long time collector: Been a rockhound since I was about ten yeas old. When the wife and I were first married and did not have a lot of money, we used to go on "Rockabout" vacations. Armed with every Gem Trails book we could find and our old VW bus we'd hit as many rockhounding sites as we could do in the time allotted. We quickly became aware that, even fifty years ago, with a few exceptions, ie Lavic or the Cadys, most sites mentioned in the books were pretty depleted and really good material very hard to find. The best hunting areas were usually pretty much staked out and accessed by mainly local folks. That's even more true today. We had to make adjustments and go to four-bys, trail bikes, my AG connections, chancy desert treks etc to really get into good areas. I shudder to think of some of the desert trips I made all by my lonesome when I was young and stupid. Got the VW into a sandstorm one time in the Cadys and it was buried so deep it took me more than a day to dig out. Ran out of water etc....stupid stupid stupid!
Now days one has to make the hounding trips mainly for the fun, scenery, friendship and the hint of a treasure hunt. Then if you do find some dandy material, that's just a big ole bonus. Sadly, the advent of places like E-Bay that have led to commercial exploitation and exhaustion of many good collecting sites and the cost for food, gas etc these days, it is usually much cheaper to simply buy the higher quality materials you need for cabbing. Nothing beats the rush you will get when you make a great self collected find though.....Mel
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 23, 2017 10:02:45 GMT -5
From the viewpoint of a long time collector: Been a rockhound since I was about ten yeas old. When the wife and I were first married and did not have a lot of money, we used to go on "Rockabout" vacations. Armed with every Gem Trails book we could find and our old VW bus we'd hit as many rockhounding sites as we could do in the time allotted. We quickly became aware that, even fifty years ago, with a few exceptions, ie Lavic or the Cadys, most sites mentioned in the books were pretty depleted and really good material very hard to find. The best hunting areas were usually pretty much staked out and accessed by mainly local folks. That's even more true today. We had to make adjustments and go to four-bys, trail bikes, my AG connections, chancy desert treks etc to really get into good areas. I shudder to think of some of the desert trips I made all by my lonesome when I was young and stupid. Got the VW into a sandstorm one time in the Cadys and it was buried so deep it took me more than a day to dig out. Ran out of water etc....stupid stupid stupid! Now days one has to make the hounding trips mainly for the fun, scenery, friendship and the hint of a treasure hunt. Then if you do find some dandy material, that's just a big ole bonus. Sadly, the advent of places like E-Bay that have led to commercial exploitation and exhaustion of many good collecting sites and the cost for food, gas etc these days, it is usually much cheaper to simply buy the higher quality materials you need for cabbing. Nothing beats the rush you will get when you make a great self collected find though.....Mel That is an excellent answer to my question. Thank you for taking the time to actually write it!! The windstorm incident sounds like something I'd get myself into HaHa. Buying and restoring a VW scoobydoo bus is on my bucket list. And yes the "real" best part of a Rockhounding trip is as you stated above! Nothing beats being outside, having great company, seeing new places and getting to bring home a special (to me) piece of it!
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Post by drocknut on Mar 23, 2017 10:07:48 GMT -5
That is a very interesting laker. Glad you cut it to see what surprises it had in store for you.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 23, 2017 10:19:52 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. The most expensive rocks I have are the ones I found myself. My main collecting area is a 700 mile round trip up to my cottage. Lakers are even trickier. They are rarely found on the beaches anymore and the gravel pits and farm fields require permission to hunt so you need to know someone. Hard to put a price on family outings to look for rocks though forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/61625/successful-pudding-stone-huntforum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/60465/flint-ridge-trip-report-heavyChuck
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 23, 2017 10:33:40 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. The most expensive rocks I have are the ones I found myself. My main collecting area is a 700 mile round trip up to my cottage. Lakers are even trickier. They are rarely found on the beaches anymore and the gravel pits and farm fields require permission to hunt so you need to know someone. Hard to put a price on family outings to look for rocks though forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/61625/successful-pudding-stone-huntforum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/60465/flint-ridge-trip-report-heavyChuck Awesome pictures. Looks like both of those trips were so much fun!!! I so wish I would have found my Love of Rocks when my children were young. I would have been a much funner (grammar error intentional) parent!! Thank you for sharing... when the grand babies get a little older I'll get a redo 😂
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 23, 2017 11:06:18 GMT -5
From the viewpoint of a long time collector: Been a rockhound since I was about ten yeas old. When the wife and I were first married and did not have a lot of money, we used to go on "Rockabout" vacations. Armed with every Gem Trails book we could find and our old VW bus we'd hit as many rockhounding sites as we could do in the time allotted. We quickly became aware that, even fifty years ago, with a few exceptions, ie Lavic or the Cadys, most sites mentioned in the books were pretty depleted and really good material very hard to find. The best hunting areas were usually pretty much staked out and accessed by mainly local folks. That's even more true today. We had to make adjustments and go to four-bys, trail bikes, my AG connections, chancy desert treks etc to really get into good areas. I shudder to think of some of the desert trips I made all by my lonesome when I was young and stupid. Got the VW into a sandstorm one time in the Cadys and it was buried so deep it took me more than a day to dig out. Ran out of water etc....stupid stupid stupid! Now days one has to make the hounding trips mainly for the fun, scenery, friendship and the hint of a treasure hunt. Then if you do find some dandy material, that's just a big ole bonus. Sadly, the advent of places like E-Bay that have led to commercial exploitation and exhaustion of many good collecting sites and the cost for food, gas etc these days, it is usually much cheaper to simply buy the higher quality materials you need for cabbing. Nothing beats the rush you will get when you make a great self collected find though.....Mel I got in lots of trouble in my vw buses, the 62 would go about 45 mph on a slight incline with a 45 degree wind. I wish I loved rocks at that time like I do now. At the price of a vw bus now you would have to take out another mortgage. I found this old picture in one of my rock trades and thought I should have one of them. I think maybe a little bus with some a pacer welded on the top. Maybe a jamesp project.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Mar 23, 2017 12:07:17 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. I have to agree with everyone else here. I go to Michigan's U.P. to hunt for Lakers every summer. It's a five hour drive to one place I go and seven to the other. After three days of hunting I come home with a handful of poor quality rocks. If I'm lucky, I'll find one or two decent Lakers. Minnesota is the place to go for Lakers, but you need to know someone with a gravel pit from what I've heard. Some rocks make sense to find yourself if you live close enough to them. I have a pretty good spot to find Petoskey stones about ten minutes from home. I still spend 4-5 hours to find a few good ones and lots of mediocre ones. I can drive about five and a half hours to a huge pile of specular hematite and pick up all I want. As difficult and expensive as it is to find rocks, it's my favorite part about this hobby. I hunt on beaches, so there's scenery and wildlife and fresh air. There's way more satisfaction in finding your own rocks, but it just isn't always practical.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 23, 2017 13:26:44 GMT -5
My thoughts on spectacular are this: As you look back on trips, Peru's over pictures from the past, reminisce about all the laughter; stupid mistakes; friends made an adventures had then the rocks you bring home are spectacular. I also realize that some on here make a living doing this so what the customers buy is what is purchased and made beautiful. So we all play a little part in the Spectacular don't ya think. That is until Real Life gets in the way 😂
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 26, 2017 17:55:26 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. Agate picking is a passion in northern MN. Very seldom are you the first one on any site that has known agates after a rain. Lake Superior agates are found from the Canadian border, western WI (alluvial diamonds have been found in WI)eastern and central MN. They are as far south as Topeka KS and west as far as Lincoln NE. I found more Lakers in a pit south of Lincoln one afternoon than I do sometimes up here on a weekend hunt. Some pits are better than others. Lakers bigger than a quarter are pretty rare and 1/2 pounders up extremly rare. If you're here for two weeks you might not find anything bigger than a half dollar. If you live here you might never find a 1 pounder your whole life. My neighbor brings them home pretty regular, I said in another post you have to have your agate eyes on. There are 3 pits in Carlton County MN you can hunt in. All three are in some of the best agate areas in this part of the state. Farm fields and river in southern MN and WI seem to be good. Snorkeling in some of the rocky lakes and Lake superior can be productive. Lake Superior depending where you are is 40 degrees year round once you drop below a thin thermal layer. Wear a wet suit. Here is a link to the Carlton pits. the airport pit is about an hour south of duluth. Edit: so I guess what i am trying to say you might end up with a handful or two by hunting beaches and or pits in an afternoon. www.co.carlton.mn.us/agate_picking_permit
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Post by MrP on Mar 26, 2017 18:51:03 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. Agate picking is a passion in northern MN. Very seldom are you the first one on any site that has known agates after a rain. Lake Superior agates are found from the Canadian border, western WI (alluvial diamonds have been found in WI)eastern and central MN. They are as far south as Topeka KS and west as far as Lincoln NE. I found more Lakers in a pit south of Lincoln one afternoon than I do sometimes up here on a weekend hunt. Some pits are better than others. Lakers bigger than a quarter are pretty rare and 1/2 pounders up extremely rare. If you're here for two weeks you might not find anything bigger than a half dollar. If you live here you might never find a 1 pounder your whole life. My neighbor brings them home pretty regular, I said in another post you have to have your agate eyes on. There are 3 pits in Carlton County MN you can hunt in. All three are in some of the best agate areas in this part of the state. Farm fields and river in southern MN and WI seem to be good. Snorkeling in some of the rocky lakes and Lake superior can be productive. Lake Superior depending where you are is 40 degrees year round once you drop below a thin thermal layer. Wear a wet suit. Here is a link to the Carlton pits. the airport pit is about an hour south of duluth. Edit: so I guess what i am trying to say you might end up with a handful or two by hunting beaches and or pits in an afternoon. www.co.carlton.mn.us/agate_picking_permit melhill1659 toiv0 Or you can spend a weekend and find nothing. We have a few pits around Elk River, MN that can no longer be hunted. Probably about 10 years ago a couple of copper thieves took about $10,000 worth of cable for conveyors. At the junk dealer it was only worth a few hundred. The utility I work for installed cameras and security in some of the pits after that and anybody caught got a ticket. Anyway what I wanted to say is that we are in the pits for meter reading and maintenance so I talk to the operators. For many years they were in a rich LSA area but now an LSA is very rare. Unfortunately I wasn't in to picking when a person could be in the pits and when the picking was good...........................................MrP
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 26, 2017 20:16:15 GMT -5
I have a question... As much as you guys seem to purchase wouldn't it almost be cheaper to plan a vacation there and hand pick your own, soak up the scenery and such??? That's another Forum Group trip that should be planned!!!! Con an I are planning on going into that "area" in August I think. Agate picking is a passion in northern MN. Very seldom are you the first one on any site that has known agates after a rain. Lake Superior agates are found from the Canadian border, western WI (alluvial diamonds have been found in WI)eastern and central MN. They are as far south as Topeka KS and west as far as Lincoln NE. I found more Lakers in a pit south of Lincoln one afternoon than I do sometimes up here on a weekend hunt. Some pits are better than others. Lakers bigger than a quarter are pretty rare and 1/2 pounders up extremly rare. If you're here for two weeks you might not find anything bigger than a half dollar. If you live here you might never find a 1 pounder your whole life. My neighbor brings them home pretty regular, I said in another post you have to have your agate eyes on. There are 3 pits in Carlton County MN you can hunt in. All three are in some of the best agate areas in this part of the state. Farm fields and river in southern MN and WI seem to be good. Snorkeling in some of the rocky lakes and Lake superior can be productive. Lake Superior depending where you are is 40 degrees year round once you drop below a thin thermal layer. Wear a wet suit. Here is a link to the Carlton pits. the airport pit is about an hour south of duluth. Edit: so I guess what i am trying to say you might end up with a handful or two by hunting beaches and or pits in an afternoon. www.co.carlton.mn.us/agate_picking_permitOk you stating LINCOLN, NEBRASKA caught my total attention! I have family that live there. Lots of family! Do you remember anything about your visit there?
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 26, 2017 21:11:30 GMT -5
Agate picking is a passion in northern MN. Very seldom are you the first one on any site that has known agates after a rain. Lake Superior agates are found from the Canadian border, western WI (alluvial diamonds have been found in WI)eastern and central MN. They are as far south as Topeka KS and west as far as Lincoln NE. I found more Lakers in a pit south of Lincoln one afternoon than I do sometimes up here on a weekend hunt. Some pits are better than others. Lakers bigger than a quarter are pretty rare and 1/2 pounders up extremely rare. If you're here for two weeks you might not find anything bigger than a half dollar. If you live here you might never find a 1 pounder your whole life. My neighbor brings them home pretty regular, I said in another post you have to have your agate eyes on. There are 3 pits in Carlton County MN you can hunt in. All three are in some of the best agate areas in this part of the state. Farm fields and river in southern MN and WI seem to be good. Snorkeling in some of the rocky lakes and Lake superior can be productive. Lake Superior depending where you are is 40 degrees year round once you drop below a thin thermal layer. Wear a wet suit. Here is a link to the Carlton pits. the airport pit is about an hour south of duluth. Edit: so I guess what i am trying to say you might end up with a handful or two by hunting beaches and or pits in an afternoon. www.co.carlton.mn.us/agate_picking_permit melhill1659 toiv0 Or you can spend a weekend and find nothing. We have a few pits around Elk River, MN that can no longer be hunted. Probably about 10 years ago a couple of copper thieves took about $10,000 worth of cable for conveyors. At the junk dealer it was only worth a few hundred. The utility I work for installed cameras and security in some of the pits after that and anybody caught got a ticket. Anyway what I wanted to say is that we are in the pits for meter reading and maintenance so I talk to the operators. For many years they were in a rich LSA area but now an LSA is very rare. Unfortunately I wasn't in to picking when a person could be in the pits and when the picking was good...........................................MrP
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 26, 2017 21:13:42 GMT -5
MrP...I know the Plaisteds from past work, might be able to get into their pits in Elk River, maybe pull in a favor. I also have another connection on the other side of St. Cloud who said I could come hunt their pits also.
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 26, 2017 21:18:24 GMT -5
melhill1659 I said the pit was on the south side of Lincoln, I believe its on the north side of Lincoln. I will email the old plant manager we had in Juniata and get the information on it. Their is also sloth, horse and nummerous fossils in the gravel also. I just went in on a saturday, parked my car on the road and walked in. We did business with them 15 years ago but have sold our plant there and have no more connection. But will get the info if the guy still has it.
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 26, 2017 21:23:56 GMT -5
MrP I work in gravel pits all over the states and copper theft is a pretty common occurance. I went to set up frac sand classifier a few years ago by Marshfield WI and was waiting for my operator to show and something didn't quite look right. All our cable had been cut and hauled away. 20 000 to replace and we did the work. I think the junk yards are just as guilty as the thieves. None of the old farms around here have any wiring left.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 26, 2017 21:26:06 GMT -5
melhill1659 I said the pit was on the south side of Lincoln, I believe its on the north side of Lincoln. I will email the old plant manager we had in Juniata and get the information on it. Their is also sloth, horse and nummerous fossils in the gravel also. I just went in on a saturday, parked my car on the road and walked in. We did business with them 15 years ago but have sold our plant there and have no more connection. But will get the info if the guy still has it. Thank you, that would be much appreciated.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 27, 2017 17:01:24 GMT -5
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