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Post by xenaswolf on Feb 26, 2006 16:31:25 GMT -5
I kept what I knew under wraps until this final incident. I didn't figure it was my place as I wasn't the victim. However, you can only push this wolf so far before she comes out fighting. Not only do I think what she has pulled is bull pucky, but its self preservation. I'll be danged if I lose MY reputation on this board because I called her friend. ( Lol ok so maybe my reputation isn't all I THINK it is, but I've heard no griping so I'm gonna assume the best  ) All that were involved with both cases tried to work it out privately first. I want to stress that. Sometimes this sort of thing needs the light of day shined onto it to get it fixed. |
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Post by Cher on Feb 26, 2006 16:36:44 GMT -5
maybe mark should do a better job of screening the members here - lol I know you meant that as a joke but there is NO WAY to screen members or people who join at all. Mark has nothing to do with it except for the fact that he gave us all a place to hang and gives us God names. There is just no way on the internet to know what kind of people you're dealing with. We've been very very fortunate here in that we've only had a couple of members that turned out to be real chitheads but we had no way of knowing. There is no one at all who could have foreseen what was going to happen. I think it's a good thing to let our members know when they've been screwed over, be it by another member or someone we don't know. It just hurts a lot more if it's someone you thought was a friend. Unfortunately that's also one of the things the great internet has brought us, an easy way to be evil. |
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thehawke
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Post by thehawke on Feb 26, 2006 16:51:02 GMT -5
Yeah cher, but the internet also brought us an easy way to be good too. Case in point is the resurrection of the box after that *(&$ person got done with stealing from it. Case in point is everyone who sent dandylyon rocks for her class. Case in point is the well wishes I see floating about whenever someone is under the weather or undergoing some major life change.
In the short time I have been here, it seems the community is rock-solid and knows how to take care of its own. And no intervention by uber-rockgods has really been needed.
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Post by xenaswolf on Feb 26, 2006 21:34:16 GMT -5
This is the email I just received via ebay from her.
before you go online and say something about some one you should have your facts straight.. or your libal to get sued for slander.. look at my feedback comments and you'll see i bought them here on ebay.. I'm in the middle of buying a house and have been busy so it took a bit to get to the po but I maild petes dvd.. You guys all better learn the law before slandering someone.. as for edog he's full of bs.. and as for the rth box well i paid for the rocks i put in there and thought i was doing a good thing. I'm new and had no ideal.. I asked to make it right and they said they didn't want my crappy rocks.. so i decided i don't need the drama.. But this is getting old fast.. edog needs to quit emailing me through ebay and that thread needs to be deleted or I'll contact the athorities about it>
So obviously she is here hidden.
I just looked up the definition of slander....
Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone
Peoples opinion of someone is NOT slander. And before you go throwing any stones about calling the law there missy, well just remember you admitted to a few things they might not wanna know about. No one has threatened you, just given their honest opinion of what you are doing.
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earthdog
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Post by earthdog on Feb 26, 2006 22:15:04 GMT -5
Yeah!
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Terry664
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Post by Terry664 on Feb 26, 2006 22:39:11 GMT -5
Earthdog, I was bidding against you on this item, very sorry you won, but not sorry I lost. So sorry this happened to all of you. Sorry to know it happened on this site, because this is one site, I feel you can really trust all the folks, but then again I am not naive enough to believe you can trust everyone. I agree with you she may be among us now.
Terry
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Post by akansan on Feb 26, 2006 23:56:01 GMT -5
In theory, what a person could be sued for off the Internet or other printed medium would be libel, rather than slander. Libel is with the printed word, slander is the spoken word.
Main Entry: li·bel
Pronunciation: 'lI-b&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book
2a - a defamatory statement or representation esp. in the form of written or printed words; specifically : a false published statement that injures an individual's reputation (as in business) or otherwise exposes him or her to public contempt
However, with libel or slander you have to prove what's been printed is incorrect. The only thing that's debatable in its authenticity on this thread is whether or not the DVD she's selling on ebay is Drupe's, a copy of Drupe's, or her own personal DVD. And at this point, the thread was just speculation, not an accusation, based on a previous experience. No defamatory comments were made by the people who originally presented the problems with the box, just the facts of the matter. We were all left to form our own opinions of the person in question. That most of us, if not all, drew the appropriate conclusion - the person is not to be trusted and we're glad she's no longer a part of the site - was not forced on us.
So any threat of a libel suit is just a blast of hot air passing through. There is no basis for any suit...besides, she has no reputation left on this board to get injured!
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thehawke
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Post by thehawke on Feb 27, 2006 4:11:07 GMT -5
So any threat of a libel suit is just a blast of hot air passing through. There is no basis for any suit... besides, she has no reputation left on this board to get injured!LMAO!!!! So true! Seriously though, if the CD was created by drupe, he holds the copyright and if anyone copies it without drupe's express permission, they are breaking the law. And ebay will end their auctions IF the copyright holder (drupe in this example) told them the auction is illegal. Drupe could also seek legal redress. If I am not mistaken, they also raised the amount in damages a copyright holder can seek for each infraction. |
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Pebbles
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Post by Pebbles on Feb 27, 2006 8:24:29 GMT -5
I had planned on staying out of this whole mess, but since I was forwarded information that may help clear up one of the ongoing issues, I thought it may be best if I share this info with everyone.
I also contacted Jody concerning the dvd's she was offering up on eBay. She sent me a copy of an invoice she received from the Preston Ruther web site saying that she did indeed purchase one of their Home Business Packages which included 2 dvd's (the same 2 that she was offering up on eBay). The date of the invoice was Feb. 2, 2006. I have purchased from the Preston Ruther site in the past myself, so I can say that the invoice appears to be authentic.
Please be clear that I am not posting this info to defend or condemn anyone!!!
I just thought it would be for the best if I shared the info I received that it appears no one else has gotten up to this point.
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Post by deb193 on Feb 27, 2006 11:15:00 GMT -5
Jody does not have to be "hidden" here. Anyone can read these threads as a guest. While there is no place for Jody here now, and it is only natural to be suspicious, a more charitable view may be possible.
There could be some mild personality disorders. It is possible that Jody looks at rocks - even small crappy dusty stuff, and sees wonders. I mean few of us have ever met a rock we did not like. (Her affliction would just be more extreme.) If at the same time Jody is prone to defensiveness, and a tendency to a polarized view of folks as either "for her" or "against her" (sort of a mild borderline personality disorder) this unfortunate combination could have set all these events into motion. This does not change anything, but it does put more of a perspective of psychological disorder onto it, and may let some people who feel betrayed find some relief.
I can't dismiss the possibility of outright malice and lies. I guess I just prefer to believe that folks are not completely corrupt. For example, Jody is now claiming she offered to make it right. Kim, who seems very level-headed, fair, and friendly, says Jody declined to make it right and instead removed herself from the board. It is possible - especially given Kim's report, that Jody is just outright lying. It is also possible Jody was so off balance by the sudden focus and criticism that she misunderstood parts of her conversations with Kim, or that she now actually remembers things differently - distorted memories is a well known ego defense mechanism.
I propose we try to see this as a sad thing, and while not trusting Jody again, at least feel a little sorry for her. We are safe as long as we don't extend her any more trust. If on the other hand we propagate an image of her as evil incarnate, slimy sub-rock dweller, bad-mom, DVD stealing ..., well in that case we are left hyper-vigilant and waiting for the next unsuspected attack, and Jody is given even less room to objectively reflect and maybe heal and grow.
Just some thoughts
-Daniel
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Post by rockyraccoon on Feb 27, 2006 11:19:53 GMT -5
look at my feedback comments and you'll see i bought them here on ebay.. ok so i did that and i don't find that the two (2) she sold match the one (1) she bought on ebay the 2 dvd's she sold in auctions are: INTRODUCTION TO WIRE SCULPTING PART 1 IN PERFECT CONDITION COMPLETE BEGINERS GUIDE TO WIRE SCULPTING the one that shows in her feedback as being bought by her is: WIRE SCULPTED RINGS PART 2 which dvd(s)s does the invoice you received show pebbles? kim |
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Post by xenaswolf on Feb 27, 2006 12:18:52 GMT -5
I think its time we move on. The problems have been brought to light. People have been warned. Its now up to each individual to form their own opinion and decide either to trust her or don't.
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181lizard
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Post by 181lizard on Feb 27, 2006 12:29:54 GMT -5
People who like to scream "Lawsuit" only get about that far anyway. I've been threatened sooooo many times by people we've had to cut off or escort out the door that my only retort would be to "BRING IT!"
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Pebbles
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Post by Pebbles on Feb 27, 2006 14:50:53 GMT -5
Kim -
The kit she bought was purchased directly from the Preston Ruther site & NOT thru eBay. If you go to his website it lists what all comes in the kit. You'll see those 2 dvd's listed there.
I, personally, bought a Preston Ruther dvd thru eBay (because it was cheaper that way) & then I went to his own website & bought some additional supplies. That is prolly what she did, too. Some of Preston's stuff is cheaper getting it on eBay & other stuff is only offered on his personal website.
My concern about the dvd thing was that it looked like she was selling the dvd's that came in the kit (there's no problem with that) & was keeping for herself, Pete's dvd (which is what I had a problem with). But, she says she mailed Pete's dvd back & in a couple of days or so, we shall see if that is true.
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Mar 2, 2006 11:23:52 GMT -5
How very sad- I never realized what was going on (or at least to the extent it was happening) So fellings are hurt- and we lose another member (alright- maybe not the most desirable member- but a member all the same) So very sad- It hurts me when this happens- We saw it with Mr. Morris and his various family memebers, now with Jody- I am very sorry to all who were hurt- and the lashing out that occurs- But we are a good solid group- and all in all things do work well here- Daniel is right- we need to move on- No name calling- no hating- no lawsuits- just feel sorry for those affected- and move on-
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drupe
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Post by drupe on Mar 2, 2006 14:47:26 GMT -5
Yes. I did receive my DVD back from Jody on Wed 3/1/06. Yes, it is time to move on.
Let sleeping dogs lie. No one to my knowledge was hurt in any significient manner
with the possible exception of Earthdog. And I believe he has decided that whats done
is done. The whole experience has been rather distasteful to me but the taste is now completely gone and its time to forgive.
The board is much bigger than any one individual and collectively we are stronger because of our collective experiences. Knowledge will set the record straight and clear the air for all concerned.
Pete
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Post by rockyraccoon on Mar 3, 2006 0:44:05 GMT -5
jody i owe you an apology for lack of faith. thanks for restoring it.
kim
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Mar 3, 2006 11:15:07 GMT -5
WOW kim! takes a big person to apoligize! So Jody (if your watching) Sorry- I see things got heated- and out of hand- but for what its worth- Sorry!
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Post by jdennis on Mar 3, 2006 11:55:21 GMT -5
OK for every one here that has read this thread this is why i deleted my account.. I do come and read however.. after all of this I had to reopen and say thanks to Jan, Kim and Stephan.. and as fot the box I am very new to this hobby..(just finished first ever tumble not to long ago) so I realy thought i was doing a good thing.. as for edog I'm soo sory.. I paid good money for those rocks too..This whole thing has just had me soo upset and it just seems that no matter what I say, or do even if i'm doing my best to do good, I'm a lying thieving evil person. If there is a way to make everything right and everyone happy I would. I know a bit more now than then..and see why the rocks are to small.. in all honestly I love looking through rocks its like a treasure hunt  and that was what I was trying to share with all of you.. I was wrong to assume that everyone felt the same way..~jody~ |
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Post by puppie96 on Mar 3, 2006 14:08:20 GMT -5
OK I jumped on this train because I happened to notice the jody ID show up in the index as the last post of this sub-board, and I was curious.
So I read the last page first (this page). Since I couldn't figure out what transgression jody had corrected, I went back to the start and read the whole thing. I'd never seen anything before about Xena actually meeting her, etc., and a lot of the other was new to me. Whatever. In any event, I see that s/he corrected the business with a DVD but not that there was any effort to replace the junk in the box with decent contents and make that right, and did s/he ever fix anything with earthdog? Jody, I just read your last post about how you made an honest mistake...this seems like a pretty big stretch to me, since I recall reading in the past that you took everything that was already in the box and kept it. Could you possibly not have noticed that the stuff you removed was good sized, good looking stuff and you replaced it with chips? What am I missing here?
Stuff like this annoys the crap out of me. Nobody has mentioned tinman for a while, either. That guy simply stole the box altogether and disappeared. Somebody, or actually several somebody's, have this guy's address, and all I can say is that he is lucky that it's not me that has his address, because I'd be all over this in any way I could think of, within the bounds of the law, of course.
If I don't have the facts straight, I'm sure I'll be corrected. However, if I've got it right that jody had the nerve to take everything in "the box" and replace it with these chips, and she has not yet made that right by shipping a new box containing the original stuff or other of same or better quality, then why should anybody cut her any slack? What do you have to say about that, jody?
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and that was what I was trying to share with all of you.. I was wrong to assume that everyone felt the same way..~jody~
