Teresa Rocks HUGE Sale

Hmmm... Well Sheri thanks for making the effort anyway, it was a really nice thing you were willing to do!

This vendor has come up before here, specifically with reference to the kinds of photo's she posts. This is a link to a thread that started out addressing a different vendor but Teresa's site became part of the conversation:

forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?board=Vendors&action=display&thread=1133668802&page=1

I have bought material from her (Teresa), once, and was very pleased with quality, service and shipping. Shyhobbit had good feedback for her auctions as well and she has a good rating on e-bay from buyers (877 positive, 1 negative)

But it is hard to bring all the elements of information we have on this vendor together and then still feel comfortable dealing with her. Who knows what the real story is... If someone really is being as agressive and ugly to her as she asserts on her website then she's probably pretty angry and frustrated and may be showing a good bit of restraint by not advertising the name of her "attacker" at this time.

The web is such a weird world anyway, and then when you throw commerce into the mix, well the motivation for folks to misrepresent themselves is tempting and unfortunately there are plenty of people willing to take advantage of the medium.

But it's also very difficult to defend yourself effectively if you actually do become the focus of someone's negative attacks. Written words are so permanent and subject to endless dissection, and come without the benefit of visual and other indicators related to a person's sincerity (body language, tone, inflection etc.) and it's tough for alot of us to come across very well via only a keyboard.

Anyhow, I am not advocating for or against this particular vendor. Her choice to mix her tendency toward exhibitionism with rock collecting seems odd to me to say the least, and, admittedly, makes me suspicious and a bit reluctant to deal with her. I sure can't guess at her motives for portraying herself the way she does, it just seems plain weird.

However, I am weighing in on this subject with my 2 cents (or I guess I'm up to at least 3 bucks or so by now...) because it is easy to be misunderstood on the net, just as it's easy to misrepresent yourself on purpose, and so I always try to consider verrrry carefully before I pass judgement. Otherwise you open yourself up to either getting hurt or hurting others way too often.

Must be feeling especially philisophical today, just struck a cord with me somehow.

So, l think I'll get back to the subject of rocks now. Although I must say (and this really will be the last of this rambling post ) having been here several months now, I love this group and have a tremendous amount of respect for the members, but even here we seem to get our fair share of Peyton Place type events (thinking of rock box cheaters, and that psychotic guy from MI who faked his own death for instance)

OK, enough See Are Aye Pee

Blarney, Sure comments like why and what she did to get those, she so proudly displays for the viewer can be seen as bias. But people i don't think have condemned her, she has condemned herself. Besides, if she wont deal with low ball offers, then shes advertising the wrong thing and the wrong way. Thats nobodies fault but her own. She not selling to women, she selling to men. And shes taking advantage of what men always enjoy seeing. So why should others respect her if she doesn't respect herself?

Remember, shes trying to carter to a market that is mostly men. And shes trying to carter to a vendor and not a hobbyist. But in a hobbyist world.

Friends or not, one needs to understand just poses and nipple shots. Theres a right place and theres a wrong place to show ones wares. The Internet is not a place for vendors who sell to vendors in my opinion. As far as rough rock goes. Other wares sure, but even the legit vendors will contact me directly about wholesale orders, vers me trying to find a site or page with the necessary details. IF i want to buy rock, i will go to the place to buy it(trade shows). And online that rarely happens except as a hobbyist market. Sure i may of got a wholesale deal on a large batch of Koroit opals i bought. But that was also from the miner of them. Not a collection hoarder. And he trying to raise more funds to go back and mine more, vers getting out of the biz.

I only respond to your comment because this forum is about vendors, good or bad. And im the only one saying you shouldn't buy from her. Based on my opinion on how the rough gemstone market works. But my opinion is based on experience working for, with, and against vendors at large trade shows like Tucson and Quartzsite.

And i don't care what biz one is in, espically online. One should never talk about a lawsuit endless its already being talked about, and your stating a defense. AS her pages reads as a pre-emtive splurge about something none of her customers, or potential customers should know about. Unless she trying to be good and fair and stating what exactly was done wrong to her. And for other buyers to be ware. Not, hey, you might need to beware of the guy i dealt with if he sues me. IM sorry thats just not smart and why i have stated my opinion as i have.

I mean, as a vendor if i cant make a customer happy with their offer. I will always counter it and not just push them away. And im not looking for her to defend herself. I'm only stating if a vendor doesn't want to deal with the public. Don't advertise to the public.

Boy, I never meant to bash her at all. I just didn't feel comfortable with the sale. Maybe I was offering her to low of a price. I don't know what the price of rock is. I thought maybe since we were hobbiest......she might work with us. I felt it was worth a shot. I am sorry, I never meant to come across unkind.

Blarney, let me first start by apologizing to you and anyone that is reading my replies when tone is something that can not be read. I am not looking for an aguement, i am giving my opinion as a professional in the market.

The Internet is the 'ideal' free market, but thats means public, not private. And lawsuits happen around rock collection more than allot of people know. I see it happen at least once every year in Tucson or Quartzsite shows.

your missing my point, as i stated this was my opinion. not fact. I am not dragging her threw the mud. I am looking at her add as a bisness man, and giving my professional opinion were markets dictate certain degrees of cutthroat tactics. Which she herself states is a reason why to she wanting to get out.

I'm providing my opinion as such, but without exact refences. Because i have not dealt with her. But, that will not stop me from stating my opinion on cutthroat tactics she hates and is the reason shes getting out of the biz.

But it is general speculation as to why a vendor uses certain tactics. So please expect my apology because of my speculation.

So on the note, anyone can stop reading here, or follow below with ideas from a professional in the market.
and Sherri, you did no such thing. Please don't apologize.
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Does anyone realize the cost offset by shipping? Has anyone every shipped over 100 pounds in one order?

I personally have and have experienced cut throat tactics and had at one time a gentlemen show up at my door claiming the rocks i bought from someone on ebay were his, and i had no right to own them. Which turned out to be totally false and i ended up with more rocks.

My point is there are certain degrees of wholesale. But i will not buy bulk rough as a collector. As a vendor i would. If i bought bulk rough as a collector, its because im looking to move it or turn it over, not store it(if you store it its an investment and your a vendor, if you don't store it you a vendor). You telling me hobbyist will drop money on her bulk limits? Possibly i would say(if she allows pickup), but from experience the only people that would buy her inventory would be vendors. But vendors like myself will not pay her shipping if i can save costs by picking it up. Or, as in Arizona, i would just wait for them to bring it to me. And i wouldn't even consider wondering if its a marketable inventory. Because i am not a collector. Get my point?

The way her site reads to me as a professional means she is only selling to collectors? inst that every rock vendors dream?

As a rock vendors, yes i wish i could just sell to collectors. Thats her dream too it seems given that she will only ship her items. However that is completely illogical and i was giving my opinion in the manner because she is actually selling to the public. It is not an attack. But one thing seems to be pretty obvious here Blarney. Do you know anybody has bought from her? I'm still hoping someone who has would chime in, and not just someone who knowns someone who knows her. Thats like yelling at the guy on the phone for screwing up your bill, when it was someone else who actually screwed it up, so why yell at him.

I am sorry if you feel in biusness, personal feelings come first. I am stating what my opinion feels is wrong when someone in the market practices such tactics to move inventory. I wont ever change that fact and a will always point out advantages people take to move their wares. I use common sense when looking at any new vendor, espically when they are only trying to move inventory online. (selling to the public) Besides you telling me more people see her adds and want to buy rocks? Or do they just make jokes and show there friends? Isn't that how she has come to light here at RTH in the past?

As well, know its my opinion and stance i will always address threads in this vendor forum through a professionals eye, not a public or nice guy eye. Its about biusness here, thats why this thread was started. If you are worried about feelings take it to another place. Because business is business, and if someone feelings get hurt because of it, then they are in the wrong place.

I understand sex is used in advertising mediums across the world. But that doesn't mean i have to respect them. I am not saying i don't like seeing them, but im here(her website) to look at and possibly buy rocks. Not big boobs. And your telling me thats not offensive, generally speaking. When theres more boobs in the photo than rocks. But shes selling rocks, more than half the photo is boobs!

Weather its her right or not. Thats not my argument here Blarney. Its to me the same reason i don't buy from slave labor companies that allot of vendors do for finished cabochons. I don't care what the local economy is, i know what they are paid, and what such a company charges when im shopping at Tucson for losses cabochons. And yes, i will not buy them and inform people of the same because thats my opinion. But if it prevents these companies from further taking advantage or their people, and their customers, and to help better keep jobs in America, i will. And if someones asks here about such a vendor, i will give my opinion if i feel something doesn't seem right. I m not looking to agree, i know that wont happen. But i must stand my ground as well and state my opinion from experience with vendors in general that practice similar tactic to fool the unknowing.

AS my first responds here, before Sherri offered to make her an offer. Was “something doesn't seem right” i am skeptical. I then lead and generalized what certain tactics are out there. And i am happy it has never happened to you. But that doesn't mean it hasn't happened to other people, including Teresa. And when anything comes to light about 'who' really owns such a collection, i will take the stance and be skeptical of such.

Also here in Arizona claim jumping is still happening. And each year at Quartzsite or Tucson, such vendors come to light usually by the end of the show. But some already do more damage to the market and customers are lost to other vendors that may be selling similar wares.

Nobody is being drag through the mud Blarney. This is were you must watch your personal feelings when its biusness discussion. The post that started this thread was “anybody buy from this person?” Not anybody knows how you'll be treated if you buy from this person? Besides, when a vendor talks lawsuit, not details but “hey this guys is framing me, but i wont tell you until the law gets involved”?? What kinda of statement is that? And from past experience it means either A- the collection is not whose its said to be. Or B- theres a partnership dispute. Which you may be buying rocks that she has no right to sell. But nobody will know until its too late. So why even mention that? Why not just state you getting out of the biz, and reserve the why to people who are past customers and ask you why. Don't nail your foot down and expect such wont circulate, espically online were the public is the viewer. At least at shows, it normally only travels between vendors. online is the public, you can not dispute that. Vendors will only buy online from other vendors as repeating biznuess. And i have yet to know any vendor in the states that will not allow for pickup, or comes to the large shows. If a vendor will only ship your order, then shes wanting to sell to collectors or the open public only. So can you see the confusion she herself gives off? Because most public will not pay $5000 for 550pounds of rocks, sight unseen when a lawsuit is being talked about. Will you? I have yet to see anyone in this group jump all over her great deals, why is that you suppose? And then you look at a photo and you more confused, what i am buying here, drool.

So generally speaking, giving the content on the page of the vendor section here in RTH. And the interests here from members to want to purchase from her(including me). I expanded the thread with my opinion on what may or may not be the reason of why the heck she would even mention the word lawsuit. And i do apologize to you if you feel that shouldn't be noted. But my opinion will never be any good to you then. Because im talking biusness and your talking personal.

Typical? This is not typical for vendors. This is typical for collection hoards, but at least these types will still sell rocks or come back with a counter. She selling Rutile on ebay at a higher rate for less poundage. Did she tell Sherri that? That would have been a professional, logical responds to the public. And if shes getting out of the biz you really think people come poking around? What they gonna do, steal rocks? What rocks?

So to sum it up, and what my main point was is there are hobbyist, collectors, and vendors. A hobbyist will buy rocks on impulse and craft, polish or just generally collect them. A collector will seek exact types and grades for personal, or larger collection like museums. And Vendors were collectors that got into the investment ideal of gemstones. There for the must move the inventory any way possible.

Her site reads as she is selling to the public, but the public will not generally drop money on those rocks when only shipping is allowed. Depending on how much they buy, one could easily be looking at a $500 shipping bill. And then if it separated for shipping into smaller boxes, possible damage during shipping, or no shows. Or if there is junk and thats not what you thought you were getting. The whole refund part of it. Which i don't even think she offers?
There are just too many factors to play with from all three perspectives as a buyer of what she is selling. So my opinion stands that i would not buy from her unless she allowed for pickup. And i am highly skeptical of why she even talking about a possible lawsuit when the public does not need to know such. So in that regard i would not buy from her at all. Because of past experience in the market.

Shain~

You know that I respect you and your opinion as I’m sure many others here do as well. However, the fact that you’re a vendor forces me to question your motives when you ‘recommend’ that RTH members do not do business with Teresa. In my opinion, because you are a vendor you should be more discrete about how you disseminate your opinion.

You’re not just providing an opinion you’re speculating about all sorts of things that you don’t know about such as;


What do you mean by ‘something is not right’? That statement is speculative and not based on facts.



….More speculation based upon how you do business. I appreciate that you hold yourself to certain standards of business conduct and practices but that does not give you the right to discredit others for not following those standards/practices. The fact that she does not want to allow customers to pick up does not discredit her as a vendor.



…Again, more speculation. You don’t know where she sources her material. I’ve been told that she is sourcing from W.L. Grainger.



What collection??? You’re just guessing. I don’t think Sherri said that Teresa was rude or disrespectful. Teresa just doesn’t want to sell those quantities at those prices and doesn’t want people poking around her property…what is wrong with that? If the price is too high or you don't like the terms then just state that...and leave the assumptions out of it. Again, it’s inappropriate to assume that she (Teresa) was disrespectful and unless Sherri makes that claim I am not assuming anything.


Okay….the statement above contradicts your other claim: “My point is this vendor is not practicing fair market for what shes offering.” ….Which is it? Is it unfair or right in line? You even said that $8 per lb is LOW for online…I’m confused…
….Sherri stated that Teresa DID respond (react) but the answer was no. And why do you doubt that she would sell to an RTH member or anyone else? She’ll sell to anyone as long as the terms are met.

Here’s a portion of the post from PineMountainTrader: “I have bought material from her (Teresa), once, and was very pleased with quality, service and shipping. Shyhobbit had good feedback for her auctions as well and she has a good rating on e-bay from buyers (877 positive, 1 negative)”

This opinion is based on real experience dealing with Teresa and as far as I’m concerned is more valuable than the negative opinions of a competitor who’s never dealt with her.

My impression is that her and her husband ARE rock hounds and decided to begin selling in bulk to supplement their retirement. The fact that they do not practice business in a traditional manner does not warrant slander. We all know that internet business practices are different from traditional.

Shain – If I decide to begin selling rough, can I expect the same type of treatment from you if I don’t practice business the way you think I should? …I sure hope not.

My initial post to this thread was to address the cheap shots that were being fired off…in particular this statement: “OK... Sounds like she is what she looks like.....
I think she won't let you pick it up because it may not be there to pick up?
This is a bad egg looking for more surgery money?”

That statement implies that she’s just a b*tch looking to cash in….man, that’s just sad….and uncalled for. Look…a few jokes about the boobs doesn’t bother me at all (I’m sure it doesn’t bother Teresa either) …but there’s no need to be rude. I don’t know why the boobs are such a problem either…don’t ya’ll know that everything is BIGGER in TEXAS?? Lol…

My personal feelings about this have been stated above regarding the name calling but have not entered into my discussion with you Shain.

I want to reiterate that I do respect your opinion Shain and many others on RTH do as well…so please be more careful and thoughtful when you offer it.

Dan

Dan, you're not following all my posts, just the ones you feel slander her. You'll find out real quick if you get into the rough market how much a pain it really is. I don't consider myself in the rough market anymore for the same reasons she, im speculating, wants to get out. Its very cutthroat. I only keep rough on hand for sale because i bought a Hugh collection to cut from. And not everything in it will i cut. So instead of letting it sit, it up for sale if someones asks. What i graded out is on my site for sale by the pound. But its the same most vendors have for sale online, common materials. I am a collection hoard myself Dan, and trying to give my input on what my experience in the market has been.

What do you mean by ‘something is not right’? That statement is speculative and not based on facts.

Did i say the fact is she practicing fraud or something? No i said something is not right based that from my experience in the rough market. Vendors who state as she has on her website look fishy. Thats all. And i wouldn't look at such with skepticism if 1- she had policy on her site, and 2-didn't talk the bunch of hoopla on a pending lawsuit. You still failed to answer that one, except that you agree she shouldn't of posted that. Problem is Dan, She did, and that makes people in the market, like me, suspicious because of her vendor rates. not public rates. And i want to share that opinion when its asked for openly becasue of biusness experince.

How is saying her shipping policy is BS, a discredit to her? When there is no such policy provided, except. Shipping only. Thats speculation on your part in my opinion because, do you sell rough?

That is not speculation Dan, she is breaking up bulk by selling smaller parcels on ebay of Rutile quartz. Because she understands the public want in on some of her rough, But cant afford what shes asking on her site. 550 pounds is an odd number for bulk, when most other bulk is in the 100 parcel or 600 parcel. She broke that up to offer as such i feel. But i can not prove it, But anyone with common since can easily come up with the same conclusion that she is breaking up the collection. Simple based on the fact she trying to sell bulk weight at a lower amount. Than if she just contacted a real buyer for collections in the market, And sold it all, never have to worry about the public or people poking around online or locally.

Man, what collection, hello earth to Dan. The collection she is trying to get rid of. You telling me she mined this stuff? No your telling my she buys it from someone else. So she is not the source for it. Plain And simple.

shyhobbit wrote: she was nice at first............but then she was not nice. i take comments like these serious when information on said site doesn't add up and people ask about this vendor in an open place like RTH. Are you telling me i have no right as a buyer to question such information and motives, and share it with the public when asked openly? Or is it because your think i am her competition And because your a friend you feel i am trying to gage her and discredit her here at RTH? See Dan, You practicing these cutthroat tactics and you didn't even realize it. When you assume i have no right to question her based on how this thread progressed, and how her site reads.

Which is it? Is it unfair or right in line?
Again, Dan your missing my words. Because this is what i thought was fair, because its the only material in her collection i find is marketable from a vendors perspective, because when i look at Her rates, i have to think biuness. How can i get a return on that if i bought it. The rest of her materials are not marketable in my opinion. Rutile quartz can normally sell by the ounce when it is graded. Since she selling it sight unseen roughly at $8 per pound. Its fair, because you gonna get some waste and your gonna get some good ones. As Rutile quartz ive bought as low as $1.60 per pound and as high as $25 per pound. And You have to figure the shipping cost which may bring the actual price up to $10 per pound. Does that make since for you?

I assume as well no one would buy from her after the treads that have come up on this board prior to this one, poking fun at And such. And im a working man Dan, and in the biz, i doubt i would be able to meet her terms and be satisfied because i have to figure shipping as cost which brings up the rates. So for example, the rainbow Obsidian which i was also interested in at minimum would cost $60-80 to ship 100pounds. Rainbow sells around $4 on average. Sight unseen means i mostly likely will get good ones, But bad ones as well. So in essence your paying the going retail rate, not wholesale. Which i can buy from many other vendors who would be willing to sell smaller bulk limits because thats the going rate for the stuff. So i apologize for that comment. But I'm looking at the big picture.

What gets me also Dan, your not disputing the idea of collectors vers the public. So in that regard as i look at Collectors, which she is wanting to sell to it seems. Wont give a rats arss about what anyone has to say about her. They only care that they are getting what they want. High or low doesn't come into play as often as it does to the public.

Shyhobbit had good feedback for her auctions as well
I have not seen or found this statement Dan?

Dan, i am not a competitor to Teresa. I sell openly to the public. Come over anytime and dig in my 30tons of rough for $1 per pound. I don't sell what she is offering because it to collectors only or vendors. I suppose if someone wanted 1000 pounds of regency i would do it, only cause i have 8000 pounds of it. But i don't advertise or push minimums or bulk requirements. I sell and cut cabochons, that is my market out side of piece mealing rough from time to time. So its affordable to everyone, not just a select few.

Banjo was out two weeks ago and dug up a fine piece of bright Red Quintzite opal in these piles. Stuff cost by the gram for me to replace, but it costed him next to nothing. And there I'm sure is more in the piles, just gotta dig it up. But i don't shy people away case they only want a pound. Heck most people show up for the first time And they get free rough if the piles look to daunting to pick through. One lady recently just stood there And was like, i don't know were to start. So i made sure she got goodies And sent Her packing. costed Her nothing.

We all know that Internet business practices are different from traditional.

Yes, but your again Dan missing my point. Rough dealers practice similar tactics online and off. And if they are a "vendor" and only work online. Normally, other vendors will not buy from them. I'm talking rough here, unless the only option is usually because of distance or the online vendor being overseas, Will shipping be justified. OR your getting a deal on the buy because of shipping. Have you ever shipped over 100 pounds of rough in one shipment? And not to yourself, but someone else?

Because this is were i feel my ground lays when talking about vendor tactics as Teresa seems to be practicing based on the information on her website, not out of thin air.

Dan, if you sell rough i would not treat you in this manner. So long as your didn't openly state shipping only for domestic customers when your trying to market to vendors. And define what it is your want in the way of requirements in policy form with examples of possible transactions. I want to know without having to ask or assume based on loose information what the actual deal is. And by all means, if theres a pending lawsuit in your mist, don't talk about it because more speculation will come up, epically when You have no policy definitions. And please know selling rough is not selling bulk rough. So the above only applies to bulk rough. (which is really the only money in the rough market when your not mining it yourself). Your find out real fast the limit on rough when just piece mealing it or by the pound. Lets just say, thats why You mainly see people trying to do it after they are retried. But most go the route as Teresa is, out of it fast.

I told my past partner the same thing when he tried selling Amethyst on ebay for $1, and charge a customer $10 to ship it. Then only actually pay a dollar or so. And i am not Saying this is what Teresa is doing, i am saying she not giving any option in the way of Policy. As a professional vendor thats the first thing you do. And if you actually trying to move a collection, you do that work ahead so these types of concerns don't arise. the only policy she talks about is on her Ebay auction page, as far a combine shipping. But its still very vague. She also will not except returns unless damage or wrong item. So that means you guaranteed to get waste because she selling bulk, sight unseen rough. Her auctions would be different because your bid on the exact parcel. The public normally will not by sight unseen rough unless theres a way they can pick it up, so if theres a problem. At least their able to voice it right then. Vers having to wait for email or phone call to go through. Then if a refund is warranted, the cost And hassle of all that.

I think she won't let you pick it up because it may not be there to pick up?

Dan, this was the only statement i made out of the three you are offended by. But notice the question mark. I was hoping a customer of hers would chime in. Because i have not dealt with her. But i know similar things have happened in the rock market back when i was selling allot of rough. I also know a ebay seller that falls into this ideal and i haven't bought from him in years. But with her, i state my opinion in question form because i know it could be wrong. Sorry your not reading my posts and only looking at them.

Mel; You couldn't or put it more simple. The thread i feel has expanded into a bigger idea because I am trying to voice a vendors perspective to anyone wanting to get in or out of the market can gage my input on the manner which is the rough lapidary trade. I would like to see the personal attacks i have given to this vendor? I feel this could read as an attack because it personal. I am sorry i stated it, But its the only comment i made that could be seen as an attack. Which reads as a personal opinion so who gives a arss about it anyway.

Not only not a rockhound, not a very smart business person if you ask me.

It just happens Teresa was the example i am using as a vendor that brings up suspicion. Which from my personal experience can mean more problems for the public then is needed. And that can be a problem for all vendors, weather they sell piece meal, or bulk.

And since the public asked about her, and she is selling to the open public online. Though she trying to get vendor rates, which really are not vendor rates. i feel the public cant afford what she asking, though it seems she wants to sell to the public. But i see it as she wants to sell to collectors, and will push everyone else away. peroid. And all buyers should understand these are common place tactics in the bulk vendor world. So dont look at her wares as anything but a collector or vendor. Becasue if you bought any of her rough thinking your just Joe public, you not, Your Joe collector. And have no agurment here.

I'm sorry Dan, but you have sepculated as i have. Because you state your not a vendor when you say what if i get into selling rough. Therefor you can only read my reply as a friend of hers. Which gives no reference to her as a professional. I have plenty friends that i would stand up for no matter what, but allot of times i don't want to know what they did this time. But i am still there for them, good or bad. That is your stance here Dan it seems. So it offends me you speculate i have no right, when your apporching the topic to start with on her side, without viable reference yourself to the topic of discussion. Only that people shouldn't talk like that.

Mel Generalized the idea of personal Attacks, and i was addressing him in the last part of that post. I know most are not reading this thread anymore, except maybe was posted last. So there for people can assume i made personal attacks to her. When i feel i didn't. I made the comment (earth to dan)as well because you saying she has no collection, when in fact she does. Which is what this topic is about, and i found that comment demeaning like your saying i don't know what I'm talking about. I am not calling you a lair or defrauding your name at all. Remember, to me this discussion is about biusness not personal feelings.

Yes i agree with Mel's last statement because it simple and truthful. And doesn't draw out more speculation on speculations. Because Dan, that is our conversation here now it seems. And i drew it out because the point i was trying to make is generally for all buyers to be ware of. These tactics are used buy rough vendors, and fraud and lawsuits happen around the rough market far more than buyers really know. So when a vendors acts as she has based on what shes talking about on her site, i didn't write that, she or someone she employyed did. So i have no right to question such a lawsiute based on knowing they do happen in the rough market qiute often. Should i take a chance? Should any buyer?

OK, PMT does make that statement. But Why would someone else make a statement using someone else name, under another name? Shyhobbit didn't make the statement as the statement you and he made reads she did. Nowhere in this thread does she make that statement unless Shyhobbit is also PMT? What are your getting at here Dan? Its Ok for a person to make a statement under someone else's name and say they made that statement, look! She could of made that statement directly to PMT trader via PM. And is not in this thread, so i don't see it anywhere. And PMT makes no reference, just says thats what she said.

Again Dan, your reading my replies personally, as if they are about you and you only. Just beacsue you state you know someone who knows the person i question. That is complete nonsence. And why i comtinue to address you as you addressed me.

Until you buy rough from her you have no stance with me about questions why or what should be talked about openlly when a question is asked about a vendor. I didnt just come up with this stuff without reading over her site and what shes selling. And until i buy rough from her, i have no stance with you about if shes unfair and causing problems for other vendors. Which im not saying she doing, im saying vendors do this, and her site and information is fishy. And from past personal experince that usally lead down a bad road, but not always.

It doesn't stop me from stating my experience when similar tactics have been used ive experince first hand by vendors like she herself is, based on price and material information she herself provides. Noware do a say shes a Bad person and gonna rip you off. Like any condition, its up to the buyer to look and make up their own mind regardless of what others say. AS that is my point too, but you feel my point is not valid because you think I'm her competition(i assume because of the way your engaging me as though i shouldnt). So i must bring you to light and state you have no clue.

Dan you cant be respectful if you state through speculations yourself, one shouldn't speculate. That is my only argument with you and why i address you directly as such. I will say no more on the topic myself, and have no hard feelings toward you becasue its your right to disagree. But untill you are a vendor of rough, i find it not an agrument really at all. Just a disagreance from a personal friend of the vendor in question.

As for shyhobbit.... I was nice at first and then not? All I did was answer her question. She asked if
she could buy some rough rock and gave me an offer. The 2 lots of rutilated quartz alone came to
$360 plus she wanted other rough added to it. The offer was $225. All I told her was that the rutile alone came to $360 and we could not do it. Didn't think that was "not nice".. Oh well.. Can't please everyone especially when it is interpreted this way.. As for "policy", we are selling off our entire rough rock. All sales are final unless the wrong material is sent. We are trying to sell everything off by the end of the year. This is good quality material. We have had a couple people not happy with their purchase but have always made it right with either more material shipped or a partial refund.. Everything is not cut in stone. As for the guy with his lawsuit posted on our website, if you knew the whole deal, I think you would do the same thing. We are not releasing anyones name unless he actually files a lawsuit.. It's people like him that gives this business a bad name sometimes. Like they say, if you shine light on the roaches, they scatter............... enough said.. Teresa

Greetings All,

Hello Teresa and thanks for joining the forum. There has been some guessing going on here about your marketing strategy but it's great to have you actually let us know what's going on. I've imported a couple of tons of rough from South Africa and am potentially interested in buying some more rough in bulk depending on my finances (and my wifes permission . The maramaba really looks good, especially the large boulder, and I'm very partial to the amethyst and blue quartz as well. I've been considering importing another ton from South Africa but if I do manage to get the funds together for a large purchase I'll keep you in mind. Good luck in your sales.

William C