Old stock database

Due to an inquiry, I am starting this database.  Being that buying material online can be the Wild West, and many sellers list their material as "old stock" to fetch a few extra bucks per pound, a quick reference is needed.  This will not be detailed, but rather, show which materials *MIGHT* deserve the label.  That said, there are still plenty of unscrupulous sellers that sell counterfeit material (poppy jasper, jade, turquoise, etc. come to mind), but that is another issue, for a separate thread.  Where fraud is common, I will try to note it. 

As of now (and hopefully always  ) this is a work in progress.  As people add information in the comments section, I will do my best to add it to the first post in the thread, so that people can find it easily.  Hoping for lots of help, as I don't know much, other than a few California sites, but I'm willing to do lots of lifting of what is handed to me.  I'm hoping that this will be an active thread, and I am happy to be wrong and change entries.

For the purpose of this thread, "old stock" will be defined as material that is basically mined out (in some cases float will still be available, but rare), or closed to collecting (both public and private land where the status has changed to no collecting -- in this case some new material may be available to those with connections to nearby land-owners).  If only parts of the areas are closed, this will be noted.

To start with, we'll do USA & International.  If I get enough information for International sites, I can separate out by continent (or continental clusters)

Here is a shortcut to the links posted due to a collaboration by Thunder69 , rockjunquie and Tommy , which are apparently have been rescued from DropBox purgatory.  Thanks to parfive for rekindling memories of their existence:

forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/39253/american-agate-jasper-database-files?page=5&scrollTo=1146700

Some of these sites will be on the list of "old stock" sites below, so readers can see what the material SHOULD look like.  Another tool for some buyers, and some good rock porn for others, who are more inclined to casually peruse. 

Keep in mind that this is VERY preliminary:

Last Updated: 10FEB2021 12:34 PST

USA:


All States:
* All Vertebrate Fossils -- Collecting prohibited on public lands.  Some 
* Cave Speleothems -- Collecting prohibited at all locations except private property (written permission required)



Arizona:

* Copper Minerals -- Bisbee: Closed private property  *NEW ENTRY*
* Merlinite -- Closed
* Mulligan Peak Agate -- Limited or no access
* Psilomelane Plume -- Closed
* Rainbow Wood – Material collected from what is now the Petrified Forest National Park (Established as a National Monument in 1906, and then as a National Park in 1962) must be old.  Pay digs are available on private property.
* St. John's Flower Agate -- closed to collecting


California:

* Berkeley Thundereggs/Blue Agate -- Alameda Co: Built over 
* Bicycle Lake Plume Agate: San Bernadino Co.: Military base
* Big Sur Jade -- while the ocean is by no means mined out, Big Sur jade has gotten so much publicity, it can be hard to find on the beaches, especially the widely publicized ones (Jade Cove, Willow Creek, etc.).   A fair amount is still gathered by divers (there are some restrictions on how this can be done).  Since jade from Big Sur is still relatively more abundant than the perception, the price it often fetches is inflated.  Also, much of what is sold is not from Big Sur (and sometimes not even jade).  Botryoidal and vulcanized specimens ARE relatively rare.  Old stock exists, but would be difficult to verify.  Additionally, there is no clear difference in quality, so beware of this claim.
* California Tiger Eye -- mine closed
* Crafton Hills Rhodonite -- Yucaipa: mine inaccessible (buried)
* Hog canyon Jasper -- near Parkfield: Private ranch
* Hornitos Jasper -- Mariposa Co: Red & White, Flora, Cosmos, Strawberry, Sierra brecciated claims closed/dug out 
* Horse Canyon Agate -- Kern Co: built over/private ranches
* Indian Paint Stone -- Death Valley: National Park
* Lone Hill Thundereggs -- Santa Clara Co.: Built-over -- former quarry is now a neighborhood in San Jose  *NEW ENTRY*
* Kokoweef Cave "Onyx" -- San Bernadino CO (Mojave desert); access severely limited 
* Lake Berryessa/Snow Mountain – Glenn, Colusa, Yolo, Napa and Lake Counties. Certain (most) collecting areas closed, due to National Monument designation.
* Lead Pipe Springs -- San Bernadino Co.: Military base
* Morgan Hill Poppy Jasper -- Santa Clara Co.: the ranches where the original material was collected is closed. Many similar-looking jaspers can be found nearby and throughout CA, and other West Coast States, and are often sold as Stone Canyon.  It can sometimes be hard to tell whether material sold as "Morgan Hill" truly is.  Additionally, being brecciated, much is unstable and uncabbale (not fully healed).  Prices for junk are often exorbitant.  Blackberry picking is available. 
* Margan Hills Whaele Bone -- Santa Clara Co.: Site built-over with a water treatment plant  *NEW ENTRY*
* Needles Blue -- Dug out? Always rare
* Nipomo Marcasite and Sagenite -- Closed private ranches
* Owlhead Mountains Plume Agate and Sagenite -- Part of Death Valley National Park
* Paisley Plume Agate -- Dug out
* Paul Bunyan Plume Agate -- Mojave Desert: Closed/National Park
* Pope Valley Poppy Jasper -- Napa Co: Closed private property
* Rainbow Ridge (brecciated jasper?) -- Mojave desert: Owned by club; limited access; infrequent members-only field trips
* Rose Agate -- Ludlow: Dug out
* Santa Cruz Island Plume Agate -- closed
* Silver Lace "Onyx" -- Calico Mountains: the mine itself is closed, but some material can still be surface collected from tailings
* Stone Canyon Jasper -- Parkfield: the ranch where the original material was collected is closed. Many similar-looking jaspers can be found nearby and throughout CA, and other West Coast States.  It can sometimes be hard to tell whether material sold as "Stone Canyon" truly is. Additionally, being brecciated, much is unstable and uncabbale (not fully healed).
* Webb Ranch Poppy Jasper -- location unknown (Sabre52 is this right, or is it TX?)
* Wingate Agate -- San Bernadino Co: Military base (No access)



Connecticut:

*Agate, Amethyst, etc. -- Southbury Quarry: Closed 
* Beryl -- Unknown location: Closed



Kentucky:

* Fluorite /Fluorospar -- closed and mined out



Maryland:

* Amber -- Near Annapolis: Closed private land
* Amethyst & Smoky Quartz: Howard, Montgomery Cos. Owings Mills, etc.: Closed and built-over
* Copper (native?) -- Howard, Carroll and Frederick Cos.: Closed private land
* Wire gold in quartz -- Great Falls: Closed



Missouri:

* Union Road Agate -- Built over



Montana:

* Covellite -- Butte: Mine inaccessible (flooded)
* Dryhead Agate -- Private ranches closed



Nevada:

* Howardite -- Closed


New Jersey:

Residents, please verify this listing of closed sites and any classic material, if any, coming from there:
njminerals.org/sites.html



New Mexico:

* Baker Thundereggs -- Deming: Private claim
* Big Diggins -- Deming: Private claim for Deming rock club



Oaklahoma:

* Layton Ranch Rose Agate -- Closed? Dug out?



Oregon or Oregon/Idaho border:

* Biggs Jasper – Biggs Junction – open? status?
* Bruneau Jasper – Owyhee variety – Closed/Wilderness Area
* Carey Plume -- Closed?
* Deschutes jasper -- ?
* Eagle Rock Plume -- closed? Dug out?
* Holley Blue -- Located on closed, private land
* John Day Fossil Beds – National monument. Closed to collecting
* Morrisonite – Not mined commercially since 1996. Mined out or just closed?
* Owyhee jasper claims – assorted: I’ll need help with the status of the various claims
* Rose Jasper -- Heppner: closed?
* Sheep Creek Plume Agate: Closed private property mine in the Ochocos
* Snake River Dendritic Agate -- Dug out?
* Spiderweb Jasper -- Heppner: closed?
* Summit Prairie -- ?
* Thunderegg sites -- which ones are closed? Asking for help
* Trent agate -- Lane County: Mined out (or "extinct in the wild" LOL)
* Vistaite -- Prineville: very scarce float available



Tennessee:

* Paint Rock Agate --Closed & posted private land



Texas:  going off what I remember reading in threads -- help requested

* Alibates Flint -- Closed State Park/National Monument
* Austin Blue Agate -- Dug out?
* Big Bend Ranch -- Closed to collecting (National Park)
* Canadian River Plume agate
* Palm wood near Coke Canyon -- Closed?
* Walker Ranch Plume Agate, Peanut Agate, etc. -- Closed (new ownership)
* Woodward Ranch Plume Agate -- Closed private ranches.  Similar material is available nearby



Utah:

* Dinosaur Bone -- collection banned (along with all other vertebrate fossils) on all BLM/Federal lands since June 2016.  Pay digs may be available on private property.
Coprolite ("trace fossil") collecting is permitted
* Variscite -- multiple locations closed to collecting



Virginia:

* Amethyst, Amazonite, Beryl (incl. aquamarine), tourmaline, Turquoise -- Amelia County Area:closed to all collecting



Washington:
Agate, Carnelian & Petrified Wood -- Lucas Creek: closed salmon habitat



West Virginia:
Smoke Hole Geodes -- Dug out
Petrified Wood -- South Charleston: Closed private land 



Wyoming:

* Stefoinite -- location unknown
* Youngite -- Platte Co.: Dug out.  Some float of variable and inconsistent quality *MAY* still be available for surface collecting.



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International:


Argentina:

* Rhodochrosite: Status of mines unknown, but not producing.  Mined out?



Australia:

* Help needed



Germany:

* Idar-Oberstein: Mined out -- art produced has been relying on imported agates since the 18th Century



Madagascar:

* Ocean Jasper: Mined out, except for poor quality material, some of which does not even have orbs



Mexico:

* Crown of Silver Psilomelane: Mine inaccessible (flooded)
* Oaxaca Travertine -- claim bought and closed?
* Ocean Wave Dolomite -- claim bought and closed?
* Sonora Sunrise: Mined out



Russia:

* Charoite -- getting scarce and low quality (Siberia?)


Turkey:

* Purple Jade: Small deposit, reputed to be mined out.  A lot of material sold as Turkish purple jade is dyed material from China