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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 19:20:49 GMT -5
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saxplayer
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Post by saxplayer on Nov 17, 2021 19:22:04 GMT -5
I’d say it worked just fine, nice job
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LazerFlash
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Post by LazerFlash on Nov 17, 2021 19:27:18 GMT -5
Let's see... Less than 5 minutes per cab versus just under 2 hours per cab? With no apparent quality issues? This seems like a no-brainer to me.
BTW, I have to say that you do marvelous work!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 19:28:25 GMT -5
I’d say it worked just fine, nice job Thank you so much! I wouldn't try it with soft material...as there's NO room for error with those. However, with the harder materials, I can see it being extremely beneficial as a time saver...and there's "room for error" on the harder materials. LOL
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 19:32:39 GMT -5
Let's see... Less than 5 minutes per cab versus just under 2 hours per cab? With no apparent quality issues? This seems like a no-brainer to me.
BTW, I have to say that you do marvelous work! Thanks LF! I couldn't believe how quickly it went! You're right about the "no-brainer"! LOL It was fun to try. It took about 3 cabs until I picked up on a technique that made it easier. Once I could get part of the initial 45 degree first cut done, I could "roll" the cab and get the rounded dome fairly quickly.
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Brian
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Post by Brian on Nov 17, 2021 19:50:02 GMT -5
That’s fantastic! As if your production volume wasn’t high enough you had to improve it by 20x in one swoop. Not too shabby and the results look as good as your time-consuming method.
That second solo cab is very cool with all of those freckles in the central area.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 17, 2021 19:53:13 GMT -5
That is really cool!!!!! Good for you! That ought to increase your productive time. Maybe you can put a vid up. I'm having a hard time envisioning how you are doing it. Do you have a fence? (You know those things that hold the rock. I'm drawing a blank.)
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 17, 2021 20:00:39 GMT -5
Well that worked well, didn't it?
Great job on those cabs, Jason!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 20:08:34 GMT -5
That’s fantastic! As if your production volume wasn’t high enough you had to improve it by 20x in one swoop. Not too shabby and the results look as good as your time-consuming method. That second solo cab is very cool with all of those freckles in the central area. Thanks Brian! I wish I would've tried this at the beginning of Summer. Now that the weather is turning colder, I don't know if I'll be able to use this method during the winter... That is really cool!!!!! Good for you! That ought to increase your productive time. Maybe you can put a vid up. I'm having a hard time envisioning how you are doing it. Do you have a fence? (You know those things that hold the rock. I'm drawing a blank.) Thanks Tela! It was just so frustrating when it was taking almost two hours to get an initial grind done! Arghhh! LOL I'll post a picture. I literally just freehand the hold and rotate it against the edge of the blade...no different than doing it on cabbing wheels... except the surface area of diamonds to work on is only 1/8" wide! LOL Well that worked well, didn't it?
Great job on those cabs, Jason!
Thanks Robin! I was pretty pleased with the overall outcome on these...except for the fractures...which is the nature of this material I've got right now.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 17, 2021 20:21:43 GMT -5
Jason, I have an Ameritool trim saw that can be used in the house. I love it. It's not very messy, at all.
Thanks for the picture. When I saw it, I had a DUH moment.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 20:28:25 GMT -5
Jason, I have an Ameritool trim saw that can be used in the house. I love it. It's not very messy, at all.
Thanks for the picture. When I saw it, I had a DUH moment. D'oh! LOL I wish I could use this trim saw inside. However, it spits so much water, it has to be used outside. I usually just roll it out the side garage door and "aim" the water spray outside...so we'll see if it can be used with "warm" water this winter. LOL
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 20:51:20 GMT -5
Nice work. I can see how this works well with a small trim saw blade with fine diamonds. You'll probably wear the blade out fairly quickly, or at the very least, it won't be good for cutting once the rim wears down past the steel core. You can make it a cab grindingly only blade and use it until it dies.
If you can find a thicker tile blade that still has fine diamonds (maybe one of the MK Diamond Hot Dog Blades?) it would last a long time doing this. What you've got look like a fairly thin trim saw blade, maybe 0.02" or 0.032" kerf?
Did it seem like the blade was grinding slower as you got towards the end? I wonder how much of the speed is the simple fact that your lap discs are very worn and that blade had sharp diamonds on the edge? I installed new 80 grit and 220 grit textured wheels a few days ago, and after 10 hard cabs they still grind incredibly fast compared to the wheels they replaced. I am still doming Montana agates with the 220 textured wheel just to break it in, since the 80 grit wheel is way too aggressive right now. Similarly, as we discussed recently, I've been buying cheap 60 grit and 80 grit flat lap discs, and they dome cabs very fast for at least the first 20-30 cabs, before things really start to slow down.
This may prove more difficult with thinner / lower dome cabs.
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 20:54:38 GMT -5
Were you able t raise up the deck on your trim saw? If it is always that low you must be very careful not to make any cuts perpendicular to the edge of the preform.
The cabs look great, by the way. The little fractures don't bother me at all. It's almost like there's so many of them, it's just part of the design.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 21:00:52 GMT -5
Were you able t raise up the deck on your trim saw? If it is always that low you must be very careful not to make any cuts perpendicular to the edge of the preform. The cabs look great, by the way. The little fractures don't bother me at all. It's almost like there's so many of them, it's just part of the design. Thanks Jonathan! That "white" piece that's on top of the deck is an old cutting board that I cut down and put a slice in the middle to accommodate for the blade. I put it on the deck, because the deck isn't even right around the blade, so when I'm cutting preforms this allows the preform to be perpendicular to the blade, making the edge a 90 degree edge. I can remove that cutting board and it would give me another 1/2" of room to work...but I didn't know if trying this would work, so I just left that in place when I was doing it. The board is secured with C-clamps, which are a pain to take on and off...but if I use this method this winter, I'll probably remove that board. It really worked out pretty good...so thanks for the "push" to try this!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 21:07:51 GMT -5
Nice work. I can see how this works well with a small trim saw blade with fine diamonds. You'll probably wear the blade out fairly quickly, or at the very least, it won't be good for cutting once the rim wears down past the steel core. You can make it a cab grindingly only blade and use it until it dies. If you can find a thicker tile blade that still has fine diamonds (maybe one of the MK Diamond Hot Dog Blades?) it would last a long time doing this. What you've got look like a fairly thin trim saw blade, maybe 0.02" or 0.032" kerf? Did it seem like the blade was grinding slower as you got towards the end? I wonder how much of the speed is the simple fact that your lap discs are very worn and that blade had sharp diamonds on the edge? I installed new 80 grit and 220 grit textured wheels a few days ago, and after 10 hard cabs they still grind incredibly fast compared to the wheels they replaced. I am still doming Montana agates with the 220 textured wheel just to break it in, since the 80 grit wheel is way too aggressive right now. Similarly, as we discussed recently, I've been buying cheap 60 grit and 80 grit flat lap discs, and they dome cabs very fast for at least the first 20-30 cabs, before things really start to slow down. This may prove more difficult with thinner / lower dome cabs. I didn't see this post...just your second one! LOL I've been using this blade to shape my preforms all summer...all 1200 of them! LOL I don't know what the kerf is on this one. I think it's a DeWalt XP4...and it isn't a new blade... I'm still planning on getting the "cheap" 60 grit flat lap disc...but just haven't done it yet. I agree...I think using this method would be wickedly difficult with a low-dome cab...but would be easier if I removed that cutting board. It almost depends on the size of the cab. The bigger the cab, the more difficult it will be.
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 21:50:09 GMT -5
Nice work. I can see how this works well with a small trim saw blade with fine diamonds. You'll probably wear the blade out fairly quickly, or at the very least, it won't be good for cutting once the rim wears down past the steel core. You can make it a cab grindingly only blade and use it until it dies. If you can find a thicker tile blade that still has fine diamonds (maybe one of the MK Diamond Hot Dog Blades?) it would last a long time doing this. What you've got look like a fairly thin trim saw blade, maybe 0.02" or 0.032" kerf? Did it seem like the blade was grinding slower as you got towards the end? I wonder how much of the speed is the simple fact that your lap discs are very worn and that blade had sharp diamonds on the edge? I installed new 80 grit and 220 grit textured wheels a few days ago, and after 10 hard cabs they still grind incredibly fast compared to the wheels they replaced. I am still doming Montana agates with the 220 textured wheel just to break it in, since the 80 grit wheel is way too aggressive right now. Similarly, as we discussed recently, I've been buying cheap 60 grit and 80 grit flat lap discs, and they dome cabs very fast for at least the first 20-30 cabs, before things really start to slow down. This may prove more difficult with thinner / lower dome cabs. I didn't see this post...just your second one! LOL I've been using this blade to shape my preforms all summer...all 1200 of them! LOL I don't know what the kerf is on this one. I think it's a DeWalt XP4...and it isn't a new blade... I'm still planning on getting the "cheap" 60 grit flat lap disc...but just haven't done it yet. I agree...I think using this method would be wickedly difficult with a low-dome cab...but would be easier if I removed that cutting board. It almost depends on the size of the cab. The bigger the cab, the more difficult it will be. Wow, the blade looked like a thin lapidary blade to me. After all that preform shaping with the side of the blade it still cuts straight when used as a saw? If so, that's amazing.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 21:55:45 GMT -5
I didn't see this post...just your second one! LOL I've been using this blade to shape my preforms all summer...all 1200 of them! LOL I don't know what the kerf is on this one. I think it's a DeWalt XP4...and it isn't a new blade... I'm still planning on getting the "cheap" 60 grit flat lap disc...but just haven't done it yet. I agree...I think using this method would be wickedly difficult with a low-dome cab...but would be easier if I removed that cutting board. It almost depends on the size of the cab. The bigger the cab, the more difficult it will be. Wow, the blade looked like a thin lapidary blade to me. After all that preform shaping with the side of the blade it still cuts straight when used as a saw? If so, that's amazing. I don't do any slabbing with it...just cutting out preforms...so it stays as "straight" as I need it for that. All my slabbing is done on my 10". There is a lot of side-torque being constantly applied when I'm shaping the preforms...so I can't imagine it would cut an even slab...
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 22:06:29 GMT -5
jasoninsd It still doesn't make sense to me, but that's ok. I believe what you're telling me. Your blade must be very different than my trim saw blades, that's all. Mine are MK Diamond lapidary saw blades. The sintered rim is almost exactly the same width as the core, maybe something like 0.005" wider when brand new. If I wear the diamond rim down thinner than the core, the first time I try to cut with it the core gets pinched and the blade is destroyed. Your Dewalt blade must have a much thicker rim and/or more durable diamonds. I've done plenty of grinding with a saw blade but almost entirely on a 10" trim saw that uses 10" slab saw style blades. They hold up to a lot of abuse. I am amazed and impressed that you've shaped 1200 preforms on a smaller trim saw blade and it still domes all those cabs in less than an hour. When we discussed this I was thinking you were going to try this on your bigger saw. Im done rambling for the night.
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 22:07:18 GMT -5
What my 6" trim saw blades look like.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 22:19:41 GMT -5
What my 6" trim saw blades look like. Here's what mine looks like...
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