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Post by holajonathan on Nov 17, 2021 23:00:52 GMT -5
What my 6" trim saw blades look like.   Here's what mine looks like...  6" blade? |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 23:04:36 GMT -5
Here's what mine looks like... 6" blade? 7" blade...with 5/8" depth of cut with that cutting board on top of the deck. |
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Post by Pat on Nov 17, 2021 23:13:29 GMT -5
Not crazy talk! Smart talk!!
I want to try that. Looks like a winner. Thanks!!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 17, 2021 23:23:05 GMT -5
Not crazy talk! Smart talk!! I want to try that. Looks like a winner. Thanks!! Thanks Pat!  I thought the title was a good play on words because of the Crazy Lace.  If you do give it a try, please post the results. I'll keep an eye out for it. |
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Post by miket on Nov 18, 2021 10:25:43 GMT -5
I think I might just have to try this- it would definitely save me some time.
Thanks for posting this Jason, and wonderful cabs by the way!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 10:47:30 GMT -5
I think I might just have to try this- it would definitely save me some time. Thanks for posting this Jason, and wonderful cabs by the way! Thanks Mike! I'd say give it a try. Maybe give it a shot on a couple Prairie Agates to start, just to get the feel for it. I wasn't looking for perfection with it, just wanting to remove the most material. They were a little "bumpy" but easily and quickly ground down afterwards. |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 18, 2021 11:20:51 GMT -5
I think I might just have to try this- it would definitely save me some time. Thanks for posting this Jason, and wonderful cabs by the way! Thanks Mike! I'd say give it a try. Maybe give it a shot on a couple Prairie Agates to start, just to get the feel for it. I wasn't looking for perfection with it, just wanting to remove the most material. They were a little "bumpy" but easily and quickly ground down afterwards. After the trim saw blade you ran them over your finer disc, right? (what would be similar to my 220 grit hard wheel) |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 11:28:35 GMT -5
Thanks Mike! I'd say give it a try. Maybe give it a shot on a couple Prairie Agates to start, just to get the feel for it. I wasn't looking for perfection with it, just wanting to remove the most material. They were a little "bumpy" but easily and quickly ground down afterwards. After the trim saw blade you ran them over your finer disc, right? (what would be similar to my 220 grit hard wheel) Right after the blade, I still had to use the 80 grit to get the final shape to where they ended up. That's why I should have taken pics after I ran them on the blade. They weren't perfect, but close enough to only need about 10-15 minutes on the 80 grit...versus almost two hours. miket: My comment about starting with Prairie Agates could have been taken as if I thought you couldn't do it....which isn't what I meant at all. I just meant that I know Prairie Agates are plentiful for you and they're hard enough for this to be an option... |
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Post by miket on Nov 18, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -5
After the trim saw blade you ran them over your finer disc, right? (what would be similar to my 220 grit hard wheel) Right after the blade, I still had to use the 80 grit to get the final shape to where they ended up. That's why I should have taken pics after I ran them on the blade. They weren't perfect, but close enough to only need about 10-15 minutes on the 80 grit...versus almost two hours. miket : My comment about starting with Prairie Agates could have been taken as if I thought you couldn't do it....which isn't what I meant at all. I just meant that I know Prairie Agates are plentiful for you and they're hard enough for this to be an option... Thanks for clarifying, I was balled up in a dark corner.... Kidding, I know that isn't what you meant! 🙂 |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 18, 2021 12:08:46 GMT -5
After the trim saw blade you ran them over your finer disc, right? (what would be similar to my 220 grit hard wheel) Right after the blade, I still had to use the 80 grit to get the final shape to where they ended up. That's why I should have taken pics after I ran them on the blade. They weren't perfect, but close enough to only need about 10-15 minutes on the 80 grit...versus almost two hours. miket : My comment about starting with Prairie Agates could have been taken as if I thought you couldn't do it....which isn't what I meant at all. I just meant that I know Prairie Agates are plentiful for you and they're hard enough for this to be an option... Ok, makes perfect sense. I imagine that you could mount a saw blade on your slant lap. You could only use the edge of the blade, obviously, but it would give you the angle you're more used to. Then again, it is probably the higher speed of your trim saw that is responsible for much of the speed advantage. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 12:19:34 GMT -5
Right after the blade, I still had to use the 80 grit to get the final shape to where they ended up. That's why I should have taken pics after I ran them on the blade. They weren't perfect, but close enough to only need about 10-15 minutes on the 80 grit...versus almost two hours. miket : My comment about starting with Prairie Agates could have been taken as if I thought you couldn't do it....which isn't what I meant at all. I just meant that I know Prairie Agates are plentiful for you and they're hard enough for this to be an option... Ok, makes perfect sense. I imagine that you could mount a saw blade on your slant lap. You could only use the edge of the blade, obviously, but it would give you the angle you're more used to. Then again, it is probably the higher speed of your trim saw that is responsible for much of the speed advantage. I actually thought about the speed being the factor and was getting ready to respond with my agreement...until...I just looked the specs up for everything. Slab Saw Speed: 3800 rpm Trim Saw Speed: 3000 rpm Slant Cabber Speed: 800-3400(max) rpm So the cabber is faster than the trim saw...whose speed is listed "without blade"...so it's actually slower than the 3000rpm listed. It has to be the more aggressive diamonds on the saw blade...even though I've put it through the wringer this summer... |
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Post by Starguy on Nov 18, 2021 12:43:26 GMT -5
That’s so cool jasoninsd. It’s not often that an entirely new method of cabbing is demonstrated here. I remember seeing a post where someone was using ganged saw blades side by side more as a traditional grinding wheel than as a saw. Outstanding results too. Those crazy lace cabs are gorgeous. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 13:15:45 GMT -5
That’s so cool jasoninsd . It’s not often that an entirely new method of cabbing is demonstrated here. I remember seeing a post where someone was using ganged saw blades side by side more as a traditional grinding wheel than as a saw. Outstanding results too. Those crazy lace cabs are gorgeous. Thanks Brent! I'm a bit surprised no one has tried this before...or maybe I should say I'm surprised no one has posted about it, as I have a hard time believing I'm the first to try this.  I was pretty pleased with the results! I have some Teepee Canyon Agates that are dopped right now that I'd like to do this with...but it's windy and in the mid-30s, so I might wait for a slightly warmer day to work them! LOL |
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Post by rewdownunder on Nov 18, 2021 13:25:16 GMT -5
WoW that is great work! Reminds me of people who make wood carvings with a chainsaw. It's not the tool but the skill of the operator. Can't wait to see others try this method. I use an old tile saw to trim and shape a lot of pieces but that is a long way from making a cab. I wonder if having a way to adjust blade speed would be useful.
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Post by Starguy on Nov 18, 2021 13:29:26 GMT -5
Yeah. That’s a little too cold to have wet hands. I usually use hot water when I’m working on the CabKing in the basement. It helps a lot but the water is in a 5 gallon bucket so it stays warm a long time. The basement stays in the low 60s too. You sure are doing some nice work. It’s such a fun hobby.
I’ve been running two 12 pound tumblers lately. I still haven’t gotten enough through coarse grit to get both of the 3 pound barrels rolling on the 33B.
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Post by parfive on Nov 18, 2021 13:30:13 GMT -5
Just type super grinder in search box and hit enter.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 13:32:43 GMT -5
WoW that is great work! Reminds me of people who make wood carvings with a chainsaw. It's not the tool but the skill of the operator. Can't wait to see others try this method. I use an old tile saw to trim and shape a lot of pieces but that is a long way from making a cab. I wonder if having a way to adjust blade speed would be useful. Thank you so much! Again, I wished I would have taken the time to take pictures of them after they were shaped on the trim saw. I don't want anyone thinking what's posted is exactly how they came off the trim saw. There was still a little bit of grinding on the 80 grit to get them into the final shape. I'll do another couple cabs using this method in a couple days and will take some during and after pictures. That's pretty much a spot-on example with the chainsaw artists. People do need to remember they do their "main" cutting with a high-speed blade which removes mass quantities of wood. Then, they will use another saw with "finer" teeth to smooth over the rough cuts. Essentially the same thing I did with the trim saw, then onto the slant cabber to "smooth" things over. Thanks for posting this...it's a really great way to explain it! |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 13:40:25 GMT -5
Yeah. That’s a little too cold to have wet hands. I usually use hot water when I’m working on the CabKing in the basement. It helps a lot but the water is in a 5 gallon bucket so it stays warm a long time. The basement stays in the low 60s too. You sure are doing some nice work. It’s such a fun hobby. I’ve been running two 12 pound tumblers lately. I still haven’t gotten enough through coarse grit to get both of the 3 pound barrels rolling on the 33B. I did it last year in these temps...and I'm still not sure I won't get out there this afternoon as I'm a glutton for punishment! LOL I do haul out very warm water in 5 gallon buckets to use in the saws...but it still cools down fairly quickly. I still need to get my tumblers going...although I've been saying/thinking that for a couple months now! LOL Just type super grinder in search box and hit enter. Thanks for this! I knew I couldn't be the first to try this! LOL - Heck of a memory by the way as that thread is "from the depths"! Here's a link to the thread I'm assuming you're referencing: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/23041/awesome-super-grinder |
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Post by 1dave on Nov 18, 2021 13:42:53 GMT -5
That’s fantastic! As if your production volume wasn’t high enough you had to improve it by 20x in one swoop. Not too shabby and the results look as good as your time-consuming method.  Hi Jason, Thought I'd share MY photo (above) of the new way to cab I invented . . . Really, Why didn't I think of that? |
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Post by parfive on Nov 18, 2021 14:16:20 GMT -5
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