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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 18, 2021 17:25:44 GMT -5
Hi Jason, Thought I'd share MY photo (above) of the new way to cab I invented . . . Really, Why didn't I think of that? I'm not sure how to take this Dave...I hope you weren't thinking that I was thinking I had stumbled onto to something "new"...I figured it wasn't a new concept...just new to me and I hadn't ran across anyone else posting about it or mentioning it.  Of course that is until Rich threw some links my way! LOL Dang Rich...this is turning into "throwback Thursday"! LOL - That's another "golden oldie"!  I need to spend some more time going WAY back in the archives.  |
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Post by 1dave on Nov 19, 2021 10:20:20 GMT -5
jasoninsd There is TOO MUCH stuff back there to go through it all in what is left of our lives. Having it broken up into segments like tumbling at least gives us a chance on what we like best. We are always grateful for those brave souls that risk life and limb to tunnel deep into the glories of RTH YESTERYEAR and share with us lesser mortals!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 10:28:44 GMT -5
jasoninsd There is TOO MUCH stuff back there to go through it all in what is left of our lives. Having it broken up into segments like tumbling at least gives us a chance on what we like best. We are always grateful for those brave souls that risk life and limb to tunnel deep into the glories of RTH YESTERYEAR and share with us lesser mortals! Thanks for that Dave. I'm sure, try as we might, pretty much most of us aren't going to reinvent the wheel. I do try to search out some things sometimes...but oftentimes if I don't have the exact wording right, it's difficult to find exactly what I'm looking for...and "whatchamacallits" and "do-hickeys" pretty much never narrow it down for me! LOL That's why I'm super grateful for members like yourself and Rich who remember...and take the time to link threads to the "ancient ways". |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 10:46:07 GMT -5
Okay...so I couldn't wait any longer to do this. LOL From the time stamps on the photos, it took 6 minutes from the initial photo until the last photo. You can see it's not perfectly shaped, but close enough to allow for a brief stint on the 80 grit versus two episodes of 90 Day Fiance! LOL     |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 11:23:24 GMT -5
Okay, so I just ran inside...well...walked briskly...and finished the shaping on the 80 grit. It took 8 minutes to get through the initial grind on the 80 grit. That included my passes on the highest speed as well as my "smoothing" passes on low speed. So, that makes 14 minutes total to shape this high dome. Without a doubt, it would have taken me 2 hours with the amount of material I removed had I done it on the flat disk (slant cabber) alone. I intentionally wanted a high dome on this one as I really wanted this fortification pattern to be "jumping out" at someone...    |
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Post by wpotterw on Nov 19, 2021 11:37:21 GMT -5
Okay, so I just ran inside...well...walked briskly...and finished the shaping on the 80 grit. It took 8 minutes to get through the initial grind on the 80 grit. That included my passes on the highest speed as well as my "smoothing" passes on low speed. So, that makes 14 minutes total to shape this high dome. Without a doubt, it would have taken me 2 hours with the amount of material I removed had I done it on the flat disk (slant cabber) alone. I intentionally wanted a high dome on this one as I really wanted this fortification pattern to be "jumping out" at someone... It looks like it would be a face if you rotate it 180 degrees |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 11:45:28 GMT -5
wpotterw - I see it! I think it looks like an atomic explosion mushroom cloud the way I've got it! LOL
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 11:47:42 GMT -5
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Post by miket on Nov 19, 2021 12:41:31 GMT -5
Very cool, my friend.
Impressive!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 12:51:23 GMT -5
Very cool, my friend. Impressive! Thanks Mike! How much time do you think you could save starting them on a saw and finishing with the Dremel? I will say I wouldn't want to try this without having the cabs dopped...advice from Four Finger Freddy, you know! |
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Post by miket on Nov 19, 2021 15:24:08 GMT -5
Very cool, my friend. Impressive! Thanks Mike! How much time do you think you could save starting them on a saw and finishing with the Dremel? I will say I wouldn't want to try this without having the cabs dopped...advice from Four Finger Freddy, you know! Honestly, probably 30-40 minutes per cab. And it would cut way down on the bits that I run through. Um, I probably will try it and see how it goes. Hopefully the only picture I would have to share would be of a cab with no blood on it! |
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Post by lunker on Nov 19, 2021 15:24:46 GMT -5
Those are pretty dang cool Jason. Well done again.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 19:37:45 GMT -5
Thanks Mike! How much time do you think you could save starting them on a saw and finishing with the Dremel? I will say I wouldn't want to try this without having the cabs dopped...advice from Four Finger Freddy, you know! Honestly, probably 30-40 minutes per cab. And it would cut way down on the bits that I run through. Um, I probably will try it and see how it goes. Hopefully the only picture I would have to share would be of a cab with no blood on it! I have a bunch of confidence in you! You probably would be able to do it without it being dopped...I just know my own "accident" level! LOL Those are pretty dang cool Jason. Well done again. Thanks Lunk! I'm pretty stoked about this new possibility! |
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Post by MsAli on Nov 19, 2021 19:44:37 GMT -5
Thanks Mike! How much time do you think you could save starting them on a saw and finishing with the Dremel? I will say I wouldn't want to try this without having the cabs dopped...advice from Four Finger Freddy, you know! Honestly, probably 30-40 minutes per cab. And it would cut way down on the bits that I run through. Um, I probably will try it and see how it goes. Hopefully the only picture I would have to share would be of a cab with no blood on it! It also would save time to use a cab machine. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 19:56:35 GMT -5
Honestly, probably 30-40 minutes per cab. And it would cut way down on the bits that I run through. Um, I probably will try it and see how it goes. Hopefully the only picture I would have to share would be of a cab with no blood on it! It also would save time to use a cab machine. Yeah...but it's redneck ingenuity using available tools! |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 19, 2021 20:00:31 GMT -5
MsAli - I forgot to mention...I've seen miket's neck in person...it's as red as they get!
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Post by MsAli on Nov 19, 2021 20:18:45 GMT -5
MsAli - I forgot to mention...I've seen miket 's neck in person...it's as red as they get!  |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 20, 2021 1:04:00 GMT -5
I can rough grind a dome just as fast (and maybe faster) with a new 60 or 80 grit lap disc. But the lap disc will only grind really fast for about 15-20 hard (agate) cabs, before it starts slowing down. After 30 or 40 cabs, it might take me 30-45 minutes to grind a dome on my Ameritool 8" flap lap. Performance seems to plateau around there for a while, and after a few hundred cabs (or the equivalent amount of grinding specimen / tumbles) it will start getting slower and slower. That is when I consider it worn out and replace it. These times and numbers will obviously vary based on the quality of the disc, the lap speed, how much pressure you apply, the type of stone, etc... But they are estimates based on my personal experience. Same goes for a new 60 or 80 grit cabbing wheel. They grinder super fast for a while, level off for a long plateau, and the good ones (DP Galaxy, for example) never stop grinding, they just get very, very slow after years or use. I am talking about plated wheels, not sintered. What is special about your saw blade is that it still grinds fast after having been used so much. I achieve similar results with a sintered cabbing wheel by dressing it frequently to expose new diamonds. The sintered wheels costs many times more than a trim saw size blade, making the blade grinding method an economical option. Finally, if it takes 2 hours to dome anything on your slab cabber, you need a new lap disc. Or try lightly running a dressing stick over the face to wear off a tiny bit of the metal plating. You aren't really supposed to dress plated wheels / discs, but it's worth a shot if it's otherwise going into retirement. |
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Post by miket on Nov 20, 2021 10:06:36 GMT -5
MsAli - I forgot to mention...I've seen miket 's neck in person...it's as red as they get! Hopefully that's a compliment... 😄 |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 20, 2021 10:16:12 GMT -5
I can rough grind a dome just as fast (and maybe faster) with a new 60 or 80 grit lap disc. But the lap disc will only grind really fast for about 15-20 hard (agate) cabs, before it starts slowing down. After 30 or 40 cabs, it might take me 30-45 minutes to grind a dome on my Ameritool 8" flap lap. Performance seems to plateau around there for a while, and after a few hundred cabs (or the equivalent amount of grinding specimen / tumbles) it will start getting slower and slower. That is when I consider it worn out and replace it. These times and numbers will obviously vary based on the quality of the disc, the lap speed, how much pressure you apply, the type of stone, etc... But they are estimates based on my personal experience. Same goes for a new 60 or 80 grit cabbing wheel. They grinder super fast for a while, level off for a long plateau, and the good ones (DP Galaxy, for example) never stop grinding, they just get very, very slow after years or use. I am talking about plated wheels, not sintered. What is special about your saw blade is that it still grinds fast after having been used so much. I achieve similar results with a sintered cabbing wheel by dressing it frequently to expose new diamonds. The sintered wheels costs many times more than a trim saw size blade, making the blade grinding method an economical option. Finally, if it takes 2 hours to dome anything on your slab cabber, you need a new lap disc. Or try lightly running a dressing stick over the face to wear off a tiny bit of the metal plating. You aren't really supposed to dress plated wheels / discs, but it's worth a shot if it's otherwise going into retirement. Something else that may help to keep it cutting well is to scrub your metal lap with a toothbrush or small scrub brush after you're done using it. Run the water drip pretty fast and scrub to get all the swarf out from between the diamonds. Otherwise the swarf dries in between the diamonds like cement and really inhibits the cutting action. |
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