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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 1:43:53 GMT -5
. . . do they wear a dust mask outside at all times? Interesting report last week on what cars are spitting out nowadays . . .
“Tyres are rapidly eclipsing the tailpipe as a major source of emissions from vehicles,” said Nick Molden, at Emissions Analytics, the leading independent emissions testing company that did the research. “Tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that, if you were starting out afresh, you wouldn’t even bother regulating them.”
Car tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhausts, tests show
www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show
Yep, rubber particles from tires being a pollutant have been known for a while. Same with brake pad dust.
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Post by markb on Jun 23, 2022 13:21:48 GMT -5
Interesting report last week on what cars are spitting out nowadays . . .
“Tyres are rapidly eclipsing the tailpipe as a major source of emissions from vehicles,” said Nick Molden, at Emissions Analytics, the leading independent emissions testing company that did the research. “Tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that, if you were starting out afresh, you wouldn’t even bother regulating them.”
Car tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhausts, tests show
www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show
Yep, rubber particles from tires being a pollutant have been known for a while. Same with brake pad dust.
Ah ha, perhaps this explains why some folks are wearing masks “inside” their cars when they are the only one in there. 😷 |
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 23, 2022 16:18:23 GMT -5
Yep, rubber particles from tires being a pollutant have been known for a while. Same with brake pad dust.
Ah ha, perhaps this explains why some folks are wearing masks “inside” their cars when they are the only one in there. 😷 I still laugh every time I see that! LOL |
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Post by markb on Jun 23, 2022 18:12:33 GMT -5
Ah ha, perhaps this explains why some folks are wearing masks “inside” their cars when they are the only one in there. 😷 I still laugh every time I see that! LOL The funny thing is they wear their masks inside their cars and everywhere else they go, then they go inside a restaurant and when the food comes they take off their masks and eat and drink freely, spewing particles around as they go, among a restaurant full of others spewing particles around, then they remask up and leave and start again. Ummm... hello? |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 19:01:45 GMT -5
I still laugh every time I see that! LOL The funny thing is they wear their masks inside their cars and everywhere else they go, then they go inside a restaurant and when the food comes they take off their masks and eat and drink freely, spewing particles around as they go, among a restaurant full of others spewing particles around, then they remask up and leave and start again. Ummm... hello? If they learn some basic science, they would learn that masks do not slow or stop the spread of viruses anyway. They actually promote it as well as bacterial pneumonia, which skyrocketed with the mask mandates.
Even the N95 masks were designed to stop tuberculosis bacterium, not viruses that are a thousand times or more smaller than the tuberculosis bacterium.
And most masks have gaps around the nose, side and under the chin. Basic physics, when you cough or sneeze the air is going to take the path of least resistance, which is out those gaps. And aerosolized virus will get sucked right back in those gaps.
When a person coughs or sneezes this also forces the ejecta through the mask, which breaks the particles up aerosolizing them. Same as when you take the aerator off your sink spigot. The water comes out as big, heavy globs. Force that water through the aerator and the water is broken up just like the ejecta of a cough or sneeze making aerosolizing the particles allowing them to travel great distances on air currents where they can infect others. Of course the media totally ignored these studies.
Then there is the fact that a major route of virus transmission is through the eyes. This has been well known for over 40 years. That is why you should never wipe your eyes after shaking hands or touching potentially contaminated surfaces without washing your hands thoroughly first. Masks do not prevent viral transmission through the eyes.
The bacterial pneumonia increase is due to during exhalation the person is exhaling bacteria and moisture. These build up on the inside of the mask, and the moisture creates the perfect breeding ground for bacteria, which needs moisture to thrive. The person is then inhaling that bacteria all day while wearing the mask.
The whole mask nonsense reminds me of shark chaser, (copper acetate and nigrosine dye) which was proven completely worthless. They still issued it to the Navy and Air Force pilots flying over the oceans in case they went down in the water. Even though they knew the shark chaser was worthless the issuance was done to give the pilots a false sense of security so they would not be panicking in the water.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 19:38:42 GMT -5
Interesting report last week on what cars are spitting out nowadays . . .
“Tyres are rapidly eclipsing the tailpipe as a major source of emissions from vehicles,” said Nick Molden, at Emissions Analytics, the leading independent emissions testing company that did the research. “Tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that, if you were starting out afresh, you wouldn’t even bother regulating them.”
Car tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhausts, tests show
www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show
I understand that tires on EVs are particularly bad at wearing down quickly (because of the increased weight of the batteries), crumbling into tiny particles and polluting. Zero emissions out of the tailpipe ( maybe, they say, I don't know that I believe them!), but sending micro tire crumbles into the environment, which means they will eventually end up in the ocean, and then inside the critters that live there. As for yourself, I guess you can just wear a mask when you are driving, although it does look pretty funny! EV zealots do not like to admit all the other negative things about building EZs, like paying countries that are not our friends to mine materials for those batteries, using child labor, no less. Sort of like those who tout solar panels as God's gift to humans because they mean FREE energy (mucho pollution making them). Then there's the blades on the wind turbines which cannot be easily recyclced. I don't think this is in the Cave, so I'll say no more. |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 19:55:14 GMT -5
Interesting report last week on what cars are spitting out nowadays . . .
“Tyres are rapidly eclipsing the tailpipe as a major source of emissions from vehicles,” said Nick Molden, at Emissions Analytics, the leading independent emissions testing company that did the research. “Tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that, if you were starting out afresh, you wouldn’t even bother regulating them.”
Car tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhausts, tests show
www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show
I understand that tires on EVs are particularly bad at wearing down quickly (because of the increased weight of the batteries), crumbling into tiny particles and polluting. Zero emissions out of the tailpipe ( maybe, they say, I don't know that I believe them!), but sending micro tire crumbles into the environment, which means they will eventually end up in the ocean, and then inside the critters that live there. As for yourself, I guess you can just wear a mask when you are driving, although it does look pretty funny! EV zealots do not like to admit all the other negative things about building EZs, like paying countries that are not our friends to mine materials for those batteries, using child labor, no less. Sort of like those who tout solar panels as God's gift to humans because they mean FREE energy (mucho pollution making them). Then there's the blades on the wind turbines which cannot be easily recyclced. I don't think this is in the Cave, so I'll say no more. Let's not forget the fact that the batteries have to be replaced something like every 6 ears at a cost of around $10,000.
Then there is the fire danger with the lithium batteries, especially with accidents. There was a recent case of this where a doctor died in his EV that caught on fire after a crash. And you cannot spray water on lithium metal. Doing so will create a reaction where the lithium separates the hydrogen from the water crating a much hotter and more dangerous fire while also forming highly caustic lithium hydroxide.
Another issue with electric cars is that they do not work when it gets too cold. Ever go camping in the cold with your cell phone? You have to warm your phone up before the chemical reactions needed for the phone to work can occur. Hope you don't have to rely on an electric ambulance in the middle of winter.
It takes about 6 hours to charge the car, so be prepared to get a hotel frequently when traveling long distances and hope you can even find a charging station.
What happens when your battery runs out of power out in the middle of nowhere? Going to carry your can to the next charging station to get a can of electricity? 
And let's not forget that the majority of electricity in the US is produced from fossil fuels. Not to mention the fact that all the plastics used in these cars are made from petroleum.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 20:11:45 GMT -5
vegasjames , I 100% agree with you. I will not buy an electric car UNTIL THEY CAN SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS!! The people rushing right out and buying them (READ: Those that can AFFORD one) are simply virtue signaling. There are trade-offs everywhere. Read an article online where a Tesla spontaneously combusted in a junk yard 3 weeks after it had been totalled after an accident: A Tesla was in a junkyard for three weeks. Then it burst into flames. Yowza! Looks like those things burn Hot!
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 20:32:12 GMT -5
vegasjames , I 100% agree with you. I will not buy an electric car UNTIL THEY CAN SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS!! The people rushing right out and buying them (READ: Those that can AFFORD one) are simply virtue signaling. There are trade-offs everywhere. Read an article online where a Tesla spontaneously combusted in a junk yard 3 weeks after it had been totalled after an accident: A Tesla was in a junkyard for three weeks. Then it burst into flames. Yowza! Looks like those things burn Hot! We have had superior technology for a very long time. They just will not use better technologies that threaten the profit of the petroleum industry.
For instance, look in to Papp plasma engines, which burn no fuel. They ran a modified Pinto 60,000 miles before they had to recharge the gasses, which costs about $100. Then there are the Nucell batteries, which produce full power for 50 years and are very small and lightweight. Tried to contact the company within 2 years of their patent being issued and they were nowhere to be found.
If you look in to the recent Buffalo, New York shooting, the retired cop that was shot and killed was just all over the news a month earlier promoting his invention he had a patent pending on for his car that ran completely off of water.
My dad's friend designed a way to get 200 miles per gallon on his car. Government agents came to his door and in short told him that he will not do anything with it.
I also talked to an inventor locally who he and his friends built a device to turn organics like grass clippings, old shirts, plastic bottles, etc, in to crude oil. Oil companies bought them out for $60 million and buried it. I finally figured out how they did it. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about electronics to build the device.
These are just a few of the numerous examples of things we can do with known technology, but that gets suppressed to protect the profits of big corporations.
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Post by parfive on Jun 23, 2022 20:37:19 GMT -5
~150 cars catch fire every day. YMMV.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 20:38:46 GMT -5
vegasjames Your story is no surprise, James. Just think of all the wonderful innovations that creative people have come up with over the years. And if the big boys can't develop it themselves, or get a cut, they just bury it! Happens all the time!
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Post by mohs on Jun 23, 2022 20:58:11 GMT -5
~150 cars catch fire every day. YMMV. Here car combustion 151  And like a Hood Neighbor State Farm is really going to soak that Poor fool |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 21:06:45 GMT -5
Yes, but is, um, WAS, it a Tesla or other EV?
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Post by mohs on Jun 23, 2022 21:10:20 GMT -5
um internal combustion it was on the news of course they could have been telling a fib  |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 21:12:01 GMT -5
vegasjames , I 100% agree with you. I will not buy an electric car UNTIL THEY CAN SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS!! The people rushing right out and buying them (READ: Those that can AFFORD one) are simply virtue signaling. There are trade-offs everywhere. Read an article online where a Tesla spontaneously combusted in a junk yard 3 weeks after it had been totalled after an accident: A Tesla was in a junkyard for three weeks. Then it burst into flames. Yowza! Looks like those things burn Hot! Was just looking at the pics and reading the article. Yes, the lithium will create quite the fire. When they put the car in the water the lithium releases hydrogen from the water so aggressively that it actually ignites the hydrogen in the process. The hydrogen burns in air with a temperature of 3713F. Explains why there is nothing left of the battery compartment.
They demonstrate this with a small amount of lithium in this video:
And again the secondary danger is from the lithium hydroxide formed, which is highly caustic. Imagine getting Drano (potassium hydroxide) on your skin. Now amplify that effect and this is what will happen if this water gets splashed on your skin.
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 21:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 21:18:24 GMT -5
I've seen a car with mag rims catch fire before, man, that's a fireman's worst nightmare. But the lithium, releasing hydrogen from the water then igniting it, puts those little mag fires to shame!! Can't help but think of the Hindenberg!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:40:19 GMT -5
markbDid you think your thread would go down this rabbit hole lol!?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 23, 2022 23:00:47 GMT -5
Sometimes, that's just how it goes on here. Down the rabbit hole.
Nothing is sacred.
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 23, 2022 23:11:31 GMT -5
I've seen a car with mag rims catch fire before, man, that's a fireman's worst nightmare. But the lithium, releasing hydrogen from the water then igniting it, puts those little mag fires to shame!! Can't help but think of the Hindenberg! Magnesium fires are pretty nasty as well. We have a magnesium plant right next to Las Vegas in Henderson. When they have fires there they have to just let them burn out on their own. Can't put them out with water as the magnesium vapors from the fire also release hydrogen leading to explosions. |
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