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Post by youp50 on Jan 11, 2018 22:24:22 GMT -5
Investigate what the sand drums are made of. Silicon carbide. I have a diamond wheel for my Dremel that is more like a cut off wheel. Never investigated what else was available
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Post by toolnut on Jan 11, 2018 23:22:52 GMT -5
So maybe some of that on a grinding wheel? I have a LOT of edges to smooth. I guess there is a diamond coated wheel? With a proper face mask, could sand it dry? Never grind glass dry. Its hard on the wheels, and a face mask or respirator will only protect you while you have it on. In the mean time, you have contaminated everything around you, and on you, with glass micro particles that settle on everything. As soon as you disturb them, they become airborne again and you breathe them in. Small glass particles lodge in the small passages of your lungs and its not reversible. These particles are what cuses Black Lung disease. Grind glass wet, even if you have to use a spray bottle.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 11, 2018 23:29:33 GMT -5
Investigate what the sand drums are made of. Silicon carbide. I have a diamond wheel for my Dremel that is more like a cut off wheel. Never investigated what else was available Diamond wheel come in all shapes and sizes. A Dremel is a little light for bigger pieces, but you can get all shapes for Dremel or Micro Motor. You can also get a Diamond coated wet sander belt for glass, that would also work with rocks I presume. Most glass touch up I do is on a Glass engraving lathe, or copper wheel engraving lathe for doing cut glass or crystal engraving. Use diamond 4 inch wheels and stone wheels as well as copper wheels with compound. Lots of options in tooling.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 12, 2018 0:03:28 GMT -5
Grinding and smoothing with wheels is a much different route than tumbling Beverly. I suppose my forte is just tumbling. Thanks jamesp, I will try to find some info on grinding with a wheel. I was just wondering if it COULD be done - sounds like it can! I will continue to study tumbling glass methods until I am comfortable moving forward. There is MUCH more than what my pictures show. Sure grinding can smooth edges and can be polished just like rocks. It can be time consuming since its not a fast process. I make a few Bevels now and then, out of 1/4 inch glass, and have to polish some edges on other glass projects with 1/8 stained glass but use a kiln to "fire polish" most of these edges. I also repair Leaded Glass Crystal by removing chips and nicks from edges using diamond wheels and wet belt sander and flat laps with diamond wheels. Lots of options with glass. . Lots of the same stuff used with rocks works with glass too, but from what I see there is more tooling for glass than there is for rocks available. Dremel has Bits that are made to use with glass, and a set of polishing rubeer bits that contain diamond particles as a set with three different grits, used to polish glass small areas and work well on edges using a sponge with water to keep the bit wet. . Have to be careful to not get water in the Dremel and get shocked.
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Post by bevsmith1960 on Jan 12, 2018 0:51:34 GMT -5
Thanks jamesp, I will try to find some info on grinding with a wheel. I was just wondering if it COULD be done - sounds like it can! I will continue to study tumbling glass methods until I am comfortable moving forward. There is MUCH more than what my pictures show. Sure grinding can smooth edges and can be polished just like rocks. It can be time consuming since its not a fast process. I make a few Bevels now and then, out of 1/4 inch glass, and have to polish some edges on other glass projects with 1/8 stained glass but use a kiln to "fire polish" most of these edges. I also repair Leaded Glass Crystal by removing chips and nicks from edges using diamond wheels and wet belt sander and flat laps with diamond wheels. Lots of options with glass. . Lots of the same stuff used with rocks works with glass too, but from what I see there is more tooling for glass than there is for rocks available. Dremel has Bits that are made to use with glass, and a set of polishing rubeer bits that contain diamond particles as a set with three different grits, used to polish glass small areas and work well on edges using a sponge with water to keep the bit wet. . Have to be careful to not get water in the Dremel and get shocked. Wow! Thank you so much toolnut! I can't wait to start shopping! All I really have is a double 3 lb tumbler from the 80's, a bunch of beautiful, broken glass and a huge desire to turn their sad demise into something not so sad! ☺ Might as well, huh? Or least TRY!! Lol Thanks again!
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
Blitzkreig of colored glass. Mostly high end Italian, some China, Poland, Romania, Turkey. Stainless pan are some less desirable shapes pulled at 3 days. Not paying much, most are insurance claims, lost freight, damaged on clearance racks. Having to manage carefully. Coarse shaping happens fast and makes it easy to grind too much off. Left is Turkey, top 2 Italian, bottom two China, right is Poland. Looking all hand blown except China. Italian is the lion's share of the glass, primary exporter name is Tammaro. There is a rooster part in the bunch. Before destruction
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Post by bevsmith1960 on Jan 12, 2018 9:15:55 GMT -5
Blitzkreig of colored glass. Mostly high end Italian, some China, Poland, Romania, Turkey. Stainless pan are some less desirable shapes pulled at 3 days. Not paying much, most are insurance claims, lost freight, damaged on clearance racks. Having to manage carefully. Coarse shaping happens fast and makes it easy to grind too much off. Left is Turkey, top 2 Italian, bottom two China, right is Poland. Looking all hand blown except China. Italian is the lion's share of the glass, primary exporter name is Tammaro. There is a rooster part in the bunch. OMG! I had NO idea people did this! I just thought one would tumble rocks and broken bottles! I've never seen anything like this until jamesp posted his broken rooster on a FB page. It was days before I knew he broke it ON PURPOSE!! Might just change the way I shop at thrift stores 😉
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 12, 2018 9:22:28 GMT -5
To quote the late Foghorn Leghorn "There might, I say there might just be a chiken gizzard in that bunch of glass". Maybe something like this " I say whats the big deal of bonking a glass chiken in the bazooka with a big hammer". Anyone else have a foghorn quote?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 9:23:56 GMT -5
bevsmith1960I averaged the cost on those pieces and weighed them to do budget. Average cost/piece for these ~20 pieces was $8. Weight was 63 pounds. So $2.50/pound. Close to cost of tumble rough. Wear safety gear, those vases can come apart sort of explosively. Like initially cover with towel for first blow.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 9:25:36 GMT -5
To quote the late Foghorn Leghorn "There might, I say there might just be a chiken gizzard in that bunch of glass". Maybe something like this " I say whats the big deal of bonking a glass chiken in the bazooka with a big hammer". Anyone else have a foghorn quote?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 9:36:08 GMT -5
Investigate what the sand drums are made of. Silicon carbide. I have a diamond wheel for my Dremel that is more like a cut off wheel. Never investigated what else was available Diamond wheel come in all shapes and sizes. A Dremel is a little light for bigger pieces, but you can get all shapes for Dremel or Micro Motor. You can also get a Diamond coated wet sander belt for glass, that would also work with rocks I presume. Most glass touch up I do is on a Glass engraving lathe, or copper wheel engraving lathe for doing cut glass or crystal engraving. Use diamond 4 inch wheels and stone wheels as well as copper wheels with compound. Lots of options in tooling. Am really interested in building a massive wood fired glass kiln toolnut. May not be the easiest way to go. I really want to do some 10 - 20 pound glass ingots. Am studying the concept. Not going to be pretty but hopefully effective. And am interested in making colored ingots if at all possible. Got blowers, granite, trees, concrete, scrap steel, weld capability. Got trees that need removing, tons of fuel.
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Post by bevsmith1960 on Jan 12, 2018 9:52:35 GMT -5
Blitzkreig of colored glass. Mostly high end Italian, some China, Poland, Romania, Turkey. Stainless pan are some less desirable shapes pulled at 3 days. Not paying much, most are insurance claims, lost freight, damaged on clearance racks. Having to manage carefully. Coarse shaping happens fast and makes it easy to grind too much off. Left is Turkey, top 2 Italian, bottom two China, right is Poland. Looking all hand blown except China. Italian is the lion's share of the glass, primary exporter name is Tammaro. There is a rooster part in the bunch. Before destruction AHHHHH......NOOOOOOOOO!!! BUT, holy crap! Look what you GET!! WOW!
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 12, 2018 9:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by bevsmith1960 on Jan 12, 2018 9:57:32 GMT -5
Blitzkreig of colored glass. Mostly high end Italian, some China, Poland, Romania, Turkey. Stainless pan are some less desirable shapes pulled at 3 days. Not paying much, most are insurance claims, lost freight, damaged on clearance racks. Having to manage carefully. Coarse shaping happens fast and makes it easy to grind too much off. Left is Turkey, top 2 Italian, bottom two China, right is Poland. Looking all hand blown except China. Italian is the lion's share of the glass, primary exporter name is Tammaro. There is a rooster part in the bunch. Before destruction AHHHHH......NOOOOOOOOO!!! BUT, holy crap! Look what you GET!! WOW! I really don't think I could take a hammer to that! I have a few pieces that are very similar to some of those. I would be thrilled to find pieces like that to use as part of glass yard art 😊 Was it hard for you to crack that first piece?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 10:01:10 GMT -5
Cracking it up was all about the same bevsmith1960. Or are you asking if it effected my conscience ? Not at all . The thicker blocks and molded glass is tricker to make into thin-ish pendant shapes no doubt.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 10:04:20 GMT -5
You may be needed for consultation Mr. Billy. No experience with the rocket. If not mistaken pottery kilns are basic rocket clones. They melt glaze, gotta be hot.
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Post by bevsmith1960 on Jan 12, 2018 10:31:10 GMT -5
Cracking it up was all about the same bevsmith1960. Or are you asking if it effected my conscience ? Not at all . The thicker blocks and molded glass is tricker to make into thin-ish pendant shapes no doubt. Conscience? No...talking about your heart! Not sure mine could take that first 🔨!! However, where there's a will, there's a way, right?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 10:38:28 GMT -5
Cracking it up was all about the same bevsmith1960. Or are you asking if it effected my conscience ? Not at all . The thicker blocks and molded glass is tricker to make into thin-ish pendant shapes no doubt. Conscience? No...talking about your heart! Not sure mine could take that first 🔨!! However, where there's a will, there's a way, right? Tumblers known for crunching objects of beauty and grinding them in little barrels. Just their nature.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 10:41:38 GMT -5
MsAliIs this label familiar ? finding this brand in a wide range of discount stores. Must be a large Italian operation sending to this area.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 12, 2018 11:04:05 GMT -5
MsAli Is this label familiar ? finding this brand in a wide range of discount stores. Must be a large Italian operation sending to this area. The company has been around for a long time-Originally started in 1891. It is now Antonio Tammaro and his group of glass blowers. It is all hand blown and they have some amazing art. They contracted with Homegoods for the Tammaro Home Collection. Most of these do not have very good resale value. The older stuff is what a glass collector wants, but its hard to find in the US. I love the piece on the right.
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