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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 15:48:04 GMT -5
MsAli Is this label familiar ? finding this brand in a wide range of discount stores. Must be a large Italian operation sending to this area. The company has been around for a long time-Originally started in 1891. It is now Antonio Tammaro and his group of glass blowers. It is all hand blown and they have some amazing art. They contracted with Homegoods for the Tammaro Home Collection. Most of these do not have very good resale value. The older stuff is what a glass collector wants, but its hard to find in the US. I love the piece on the right.
The one on the right, a Polish vase with a small mouth. It was thin at the top. Tapered in thicker as approaching the base. Maxed out at about 1/4" thick at the lowest vertical point. Tammaro must be a big operation. Their glass is all over Atlanta in several chain stores. Stop by a big store called 'At Home' today. Giant place, wide mix of glass and all looked to be Asian. No Tammaro in that store. Finally looked a bit closer at the glass on top of the two five gallon buckets of scrap from Decatur Glass Blowing. More jewels in there than first thought. May be the best score yet since I can dispose of the trash glass here at the farm. He has to pay a disposal service to remove a dozen 5 gallon buckets per week. Lots of volume. Me doing him a favor. I have a deep clay pit where the trash glass can be buried with tractor. Getting ready to take those buckets to the pit and sort thru them.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 12, 2018 16:39:11 GMT -5
The company has been around for a long time-Originally started in 1891. It is now Antonio Tammaro and his group of glass blowers. It is all hand blown and they have some amazing art. They contracted with Homegoods for the Tammaro Home Collection. Most of these do not have very good resale value. The older stuff is what a glass collector wants, but its hard to find in the US. I love the piece on the right.
The one on the right, a Polish vase with a small mouth. It was thin at the top. Tapered in thicker as approaching the base. Maxed out at about 1/4" thick at the lowest vertical point. Tammaro must be a big operation. Their glass is all over Atlanta in several chain stores. Stop by a big store called 'At Home' today. Giant place, wide mix of glass and all looked to be Asian. No Tammaro in that store. Finally looked a bit closer at the glass on top of the two five gallon buckets of scrap from Decatur Glass Blowing. More jewels in there than first thought. May be the best score yet since I can dispose of the trash glass here at the farm. He has to pay a disposal service to remove a dozen 5 gallon buckets per week. Lots of volume. Me doing him a favor. I have a deep clay pit where the trash glass can be buried with tractor. Getting ready to take those buckets to the pit and sort thru them. Worked out to be a win win for both of you!!
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 12, 2018 16:54:37 GMT -5
5 gallon buckets of glass per week!! You will need to make sure no one ever goes barefoot around your place!!
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 17:06:14 GMT -5
Will take photos shortly of the Decatur pickings MsAli. Also stopped by the Hobby Lobby. They have all their figurines on discount shelf including another rooster. China made w/machine injection, thin balloon of color. Might be the coolest glass, love the tacky primary colors.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 17:10:24 GMT -5
5 gallon buckets of glass per week!! You will need to make sure no one ever goes barefoot around your place!! Got a 100 foot long pit from digging potting soil. Needs to be covered up, no problem dumping glass before filling with 4 to 5 feet of soil. He generates about a dozen 5 gallon buckets of glass/week, mostly end chunks where the glass connects to the pole they use. a lot is not annealed, full of cracks and useless. Getting ready to sort thru 10 gallons. anxious to see what come of it.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 12, 2018 17:18:27 GMT -5
Will take photos shortly of the Decatur pickings MsAli . Also stopped by the Hobby Lobby. They have all their figurines on discount shelf including another rooster. China made w/machine injection, thin balloon of color. Might be the coolest glass, love the tacky primary colors. Hobby Lobby is a risky store to go in to. I try to limit myself to only a few times a year. Should of been good pickings there
Cant wait to see the new rooster
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 18:49:11 GMT -5
Will take photos shortly of the Decatur pickings MsAli . Also stopped by the Hobby Lobby. They have all their figurines on discount shelf including another rooster. China made w/machine injection, thin balloon of color. Might be the coolest glass, love the tacky primary colors. Hobby Lobby is a risky store to go in to. I try to limit myself to only a few times a year. Should of been good pickings there
Cant wait to see the new rooster
The first 10 photos are about the Decatur glass, and then the glass on the shelves at Smyna Georgia Home Goods. New rooster and figurines. Over half the Decatur glass is chips melted on the outside surface. Unfortunately not so good for tumbling. Tumbling wears the surface colors off. The glass with chips melted on the outside are his cheap money makers. His worker probably made most of that. The costly glass pieces with the color sandwiched is needed for tumbling. It is not so common in his scrap buckets. Darn. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157692165136735
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Post by MsAli on Jan 12, 2018 19:01:21 GMT -5
Hobby Lobby is a risky store to go in to. I try to limit myself to only a few times a year. Should of been good pickings there
Cant wait to see the new rooster
The first 10 photos are about the Decatur glass, and then the glass on the shelves at Smyna Georgia Home Goods. New rooster and figurines. Over half the Decatur glass is chips melted on the outside surface. Unfortunately not so good for tumbling. Tumbling wears the surface colors off. The glass with chips melted on the outside are his cheap money makers. His worker probably made most of that. The costly glass pieces with the color sandwiched is needed for tumbling. It is not so common in his scrap buckets. Darn. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157692165136735Well that sucks, but it was worth a try My heart did a thud at that owl -poor baby (did I tell you I have a love for owls) Sigh......
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Post by toolnut on Jan 12, 2018 20:50:42 GMT -5
Diamond wheel come in all shapes and sizes. A Dremel is a little light for bigger pieces, but you can get all shapes for Dremel or Micro Motor. You can also get a Diamond coated wet sander belt for glass, that would also work with rocks I presume. Most glass touch up I do is on a Glass engraving lathe, or copper wheel engraving lathe for doing cut glass or crystal engraving. Use diamond 4 inch wheels and stone wheels as well as copper wheels with compound. Lots of options in tooling. Am really interested in building a massive wood fired glass kiln toolnut . May not be the easiest way to go. I really want to do some 10 - 20 pound glass ingots. Am studying the concept. Not going to be pretty but hopefully effective. And am interested in making colored ingots if at all possible. Got blowers, granite, trees, concrete, scrap steel, weld capability. Got trees that need removing, tons of fuel. Nothing beats a trial but a failure. Lot of work for the results when there are a lot less labor intensive methods, but its a great project. 10 and 20 pound ingots are doable in a electric kiln, if your kiln is big enough, and the process would be automatic and programmed, so all you do is load the kiln and push a few buttons and forget it. It turns itself off when done and all you do is pull out the results when it cools, which may be a couple of day or more, in the sizes you want to cast. Never did anything that thick, but the thicker, the loger to anneal the glass to room temperature to prevent fractures. I have a ton of colored glass waiting for a melt, as soon as I finish a couple of other pressing projects, which require the large kiln use. The Rooster thread gave me the idea of how to use my scrap glass instead of giving it away. Will look forward to your progress. The only problem I can see for you, is how to control the Temperatures, from ramping up at about 500 degrees an hour to 1500 or 1600 degrees, to ramping dow the Temperature in increment s to prevent the block from cracking, which is more prone due to your size. Will be interesting to see the process.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 12, 2018 21:07:14 GMT -5
Looks like slices of the Millifori where stacked next ot each other, with filler frit, fused together in a kiln and then the sheet was draped over a mold, bottom up, to form the piece. Have made vases out of sheet glass that look exactly like this form. Are you referring to the Rooster or Kosta Boda? Neither one is Millefiori The Bowl that looks like it.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 21:12:34 GMT -5
Am really interested in building a massive wood fired glass kiln toolnut . May not be the easiest way to go. I really want to do some 10 - 20 pound glass ingots. Am studying the concept. Not going to be pretty but hopefully effective. And am interested in making colored ingots if at all possible. Got blowers, granite, trees, concrete, scrap steel, weld capability. Got trees that need removing, tons of fuel. Nothing beats a trial but a failure. Lot of work for the results when there are a lot less labor intensive methods, but its a great project. 10 and 20 pound ingots are doable in a electric kiln, if your kiln is big enough, and the process would be automatic and programmed, so all you do is load the kiln and push a few buttons and forget it. It turns itself off when done and all you do is pull out the results when it cools, which may be a couple of day or more, in the sizes you want to cast. Never did anything that thick, but the thicker, the loger to anneal the glass to room temperature to prevent fractures. I have a ton of colored glass waiting for a melt, as soon as I finish a couple of other pressing projects, which require the large kiln use. The Rooster thread gave me the idea of how to use my scrap glass instead of giving it away. Will look forward to your progress. The only problem I can see for you, is how to control the Temperatures, from ramping up at about 500 degrees an hour to 1500 or 1600 degrees, to ramping dow the Temperature in increment s to prevent the block from cracking, which is more prone due to your size. Will be interesting to see the process. Appreciate the advise toolkit. Sounds like you are hinting a challenge ahead. Can glass be heated slowly up to 1600 sat in 3 days and cooled down slowly over a period of say 3 days ? In other words a slow ramp up and a slow ramp down ? Nothing wrong with slower up/down than necessary is there ?
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Post by toolnut on Jan 12, 2018 21:27:11 GMT -5
Sure grinding can smooth edges and can be polished just like rocks. It can be time consuming since its not a fast process. I make a few Bevels now and then, out of 1/4 inch glass, and have to polish some edges on other glass projects with 1/8 stained glass but use a kiln to "fire polish" most of these edges. I also repair Leaded Glass Crystal by removing chips and nicks from edges using diamond wheels and wet belt sander and flat laps with diamond wheels. Lots of options with glass. . Lots of the same stuff used with rocks works with glass too, but from what I see there is more tooling for glass than there is for rocks available. Dremel has Bits that are made to use with glass, and a set of polishing rubeer bits that contain diamond particles as a set with three different grits, used to polish glass small areas and work well on edges using a sponge with water to keep the bit wet. . Have to be careful to not get water in the Dremel and get shocked. Wow! Thank you so much toolnut! I can't wait to start shopping! All I really have is a double 3 lb tumbler from the 80's, a bunch of beautiful, broken glass and a huge desire to turn their sad demise into something not so sad! ☺ Might as well, huh? Or least TRY!! Lol Thanks again! Of course. If you never try anything your life is less richer. Never thought much about Lapidary until that Rooster deal came along and the comments on not plentiful or cheap sources for layered colors in glass chunks. I walked past a few hundred pounds of colored glass several time a day, and it dawned on me that it would be so easy to make them bricks for cabbing or breaking up and tumbling. I had the glass and the kilns, and the stuff to make a brick sized mold or larger, in any size, and cut it up if I had to. Only have two tumblers, one 15 lb rotary never used, and a dual 4lb Mini Sonic vibrator, Not sure if any of my diamond saws can handle a brick size thick piece of glass, since I only have cut 1/4 thick glass on any of the tile saws, and ring saw, and 1/8 inch thick sheet on the diamond band saw. Go for it and let us know how you make out. You will succeed, since there is little chance of failure in tumbling glass. Keep in mnd there are different types of glass too, and some is a lot harder than other. Bottles, like beer and wine are generally a harder glass, than plain home glass pieces and art glass. Leaded Crystal is a lot softer and easily engraved or cut on wheels. I do some Leaded Crystal glass engraving and cutting (remove chips and nicks from antique valuable crystal pieces) on a stone and copper wheel lathe and its nice to work with.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 12, 2018 21:38:10 GMT -5
Nothing beats a trial but a failure. Lot of work for the results when there are a lot less labor intensive methods, but its a great project. 10 and 20 pound ingots are doable in a electric kiln, if your kiln is big enough, and the process would be automatic and programmed, so all you do is load the kiln and push a few buttons and forget it. It turns itself off when done and all you do is pull out the results when it cools, which may be a couple of day or more, in the sizes you want to cast. Never did anything that thick, but the thicker, the loger to anneal the glass to room temperature to prevent fractures. I have a ton of colored glass waiting for a melt, as soon as I finish a couple of other pressing projects, which require the large kiln use. The Rooster thread gave me the idea of how to use my scrap glass instead of giving it away. Will look forward to your progress. The only problem I can see for you, is how to control the Temperatures, from ramping up at about 500 degrees an hour to 1500 or 1600 degrees, to ramping dow the Temperature in increment s to prevent the block from cracking, which is more prone due to your size. Will be interesting to see the process. Appreciate the advise toolkit. Sounds like you are hinting a challenge ahead. Can glass be heated slowly up to 1600 sat in 3 days and cooled down slowly over a period of say 3 days ? In other words a slow ramp up and a slow ramp down ? Nothing wrong with slower up/down than necessary is there ? You should only need two or three hours or so,at 1600 F and hold, depending on the amount of glass, to do a melt, from what I have seen. The slow up and down ramp you mention is better than a minimum ramp you would program in a kiln. The slower the anneal, the better. Up ramp does not seem to be criticle since it would melt together anyway. A good Pyrometer will be your best tool. Another thing I can tell you little about at that temperature, is that some glass will change colors drastically with Temperature. I have only worked with glass at 1300 to 1400 degress and had run into that. Just had to redo some because the heat burned the amber color out of the white glass and the white turned a light amber. In a melt, that may be an unexpected plus or not. LOL
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 21:54:25 GMT -5
The first 10 photos are about the Decatur glass, and then the glass on the shelves at Smyna Georgia Home Goods. New rooster and figurines. Over half the Decatur glass is chips melted on the outside surface. Unfortunately not so good for tumbling. Tumbling wears the surface colors off. The glass with chips melted on the outside are his cheap money makers. His worker probably made most of that. The costly glass pieces with the color sandwiched is needed for tumbling. It is not so common in his scrap buckets. Darn. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157692165136735Well that sucks, but it was worth a try My heart did a thud at that owl -poor baby (did I tell you I have a love for owls) Sigh......
Sure it's an owl ? (Uh, was an owl) ? May be a bit late for the owl...I got glue.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 12, 2018 21:57:46 GMT -5
Appreciate the advise toolkit. Sounds like you are hinting a challenge ahead. Can glass be heated slowly up to 1600 sat in 3 days and cooled down slowly over a period of say 3 days ? In other words a slow ramp up and a slow ramp down ? Nothing wrong with slower up/down than necessary is there ? You should only need two or three hours or so,at 1600 F and hold, depending on the amount of glass, to do a melt, from what I have seen. The slow up and down ramp you mention is better than a minimum ramp you would program in a kiln. The slower the anneal, the better. Up ramp does not seem to be criticle since it would melt together anyway. A good Pyrometer will be your best tool. Another thing I can tell you little about at that temperature, is that some glass will change colors drastically with Temperature. I have only worked with glass at 1300 to 1400 degress and had run into that. Just had to redo some because the heat burned the amber color out of the white glass and the white turned a light amber. In a melt, that may be an unexpected plus or not. LOL You just said enough. If overheating changes the color there would be a big problem.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 13, 2018 0:02:08 GMT -5
Well that sucks, but it was worth a try My heart did a thud at that owl -poor baby (did I tell you I have a love for owls) Sigh......
Sure it's an owl ? (Uh, was an owl) ? May be a bit late for the owl...I got glue. jamesp you break my heart. Poor owl. Ah well easy come, easy go One can only hope it's afterlife is just as beautiful
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Post by jamesp on Jan 13, 2018 5:53:41 GMT -5
Sure it's an owl ? (Uh, was an owl) ? May be a bit late for the owl...I got glue. jamesp you break my heart. Poor owl. Ah well easy come, easy go One can only hope it's afterlife is just as beautiful Men are heartless. Probably a gender thing. Woman are from Venus and men from Uranus ? I emailed the Decatur Glass Blowing fellow and told him I would give him some obsidian to blend in a melt. He was not interested. Said it was not a scheme he wanted in his product line. I may search Alibaba for a glass company and try to contract some made-to-specification tumble able/cab able glass. Tighter color bands for instance using their fancy glass extruders. They may already have such in stock. Sorry about the owl. Found a Kosta Boda. $9. Flea market. Will not use hammer on. promise. signed and numbered xxxxxxx Vallien. Made and melted this my little self. 1st time melting. 1/4" thick X 1.5 inches round. Needs polish.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 13, 2018 11:24:45 GMT -5
jamesp you break my heart. Poor owl. Ah well easy come, easy go One can only hope it's afterlife is just as beautiful Men are heartless. Probably a gender thing. Woman are from Venus and men from Uranus ? I emailed the Decatur Glass Blowing fellow and told him I would give him some obsidian to blend in a melt. He was not interested. Said it was not a scheme he wanted in his product line. I may search Alibaba for a glass company and try to contract some made-to-specification tumble able/cab able glass. Tighter color bands for instance using their fancy glass extruders. They may already have such in stock. Sorry about the owl. Found a Kosta Boda. $9. Flea market. Will not use hammer on. promise. signed and numbered xxxxxxx Vallien. Made and melted this my little self. 1st time melting. 1/4" thick X 1.5 inches round. Needs polish. What a beautiful find. SCORE!!! That is a Bertil for sure! He is one of Sweden's best and has been a glassmaker for 50 years. Started out hating glass. Uses sand in most of his work. That bowl is around 200-300. Some of his work is in the thousands. I love what you did. Great job! It's gonna be pretty awesome when the polish is done. Very impressed...you for sure have some artistic talent
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Post by toolnut on Jan 15, 2018 20:13:40 GMT -5
You should only need two or three hours or so,at 1600 F and hold, depending on the amount of glass, to do a melt, from what I have seen. The slow up and down ramp you mention is better than a minimum ramp you would program in a kiln. The slower the anneal, the better. Up ramp does not seem to be criticle since it would melt together anyway. A good Pyrometer will be your best tool. Another thing I can tell you little about at that temperature, is that some glass will change colors drastically with Temperature. I have only worked with glass at 1300 to 1400 degress and had run into that. Just had to redo some because the heat burned the amber color out of the white glass and the white turned a light amber. In a melt, that may be an unexpected plus or not. LOL You just said enough. If overheating changes the color there would be a big problem. Not to be discouraged on that. It doesn't happen often, but its seems some Reds turn brown, and you would,never know hat they change to. Haven't done enough bold colors and not at that extreme temperature to be an expert on this. . My working range in glass is 1300F to 1400F. Who knows. Some colors could get wilder.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 15, 2018 20:21:40 GMT -5
jamesp you break my heart. Poor owl. Ah well easy come, easy go One can only hope it's afterlife is just as beautiful Men are heartless. Probably a gender thing. Woman are from Venus and men from Uranus ? I emailed the Decatur Glass Blowing fellow and told him I would give him some obsidian to blend in a melt. He was not interested. Said it was not a scheme he wanted in his product line. I may search Alibaba for a glass company and try to contract some made-to-specification tumble able/cab able glass. Tighter color bands for instance using their fancy glass extruders. They may already have such in stock. Sorry about the owl. Found a Kosta Boda. $9. Flea market. Will not use hammer on. promise. signed and numbered xxxxxxx Vallien. Made and melted this my little self. 1st time melting. 1/4" thick X 1.5 inches round. Needs polish. If its glass, you should not have to polish it. It should have fired smooth or "Fire Polished" by itself, if you held it long enough at a "start to melt" temperature. What was your temperature and how long did you hold it at that? I see some cratering on the surface. Was this side in the mold" If it was the top, not in the mold, its should have fire polished.
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