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Post by helens on Nov 11, 2012 3:34:45 GMT -5
"The crap taxed out of them"? How about the same tax rate as people who make 1000x less? How do you manage to keep avoiding the fact that 14% tax on someone making 21 million a year is not fair when their employees making 80K a year is taxed at 30%?
That is not 'the crap taxed out of them" when the tax rate a mere 30 years ago was 92% for the same person. From 92% to 14% is why we are broke as a nation, and you think that's OK, then wonder why we are going down the toilet as a nation, unable to afford roads, teachers, police and disasters?
And the funny is, no one wants to tax them 92% again, only the same rate as their own employees. Yet they managed somehow to convince you this was wrong.
What I MOST want to know actually is how anyone can consider that unfair? How did they convince you of this? That is a secret that could overnight help anyone become the greatest salesperson on the planet, and I want to know it too. Seriously.
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Post by helens on Nov 11, 2012 3:43:37 GMT -5
To put this differently, why should you pay 6% sales tax on a Combo Meal at McDonalds, if you go to Four Seasons and drop $250 on dinner, you can pay 2% sales tax? Would that be fair?
What about if you go to a buy here pay here and buy a used car for $2000, you pay 6% tax on that, and if Romney goes to a dealership to buy a Bentley, he pays 2% sales tax for a $150,000 car. Is that fair?
What's the difference?
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Post by helens on Nov 11, 2012 3:45:16 GMT -5
Why does Romney get to deduct $77,000 for his pet horse, and you don't get to deduct one penny for Jake? Is that fair?
What if you went to McDonalds, and they decided your combo meal was $8 because you drove up in a used pickup, but someone behind you drives up in a Porsche, so he can pay $3 for the same combo meal? What's the difference? He should pay less than you because he already has more? Why?
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Post by helens on Nov 11, 2012 8:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 9:15:03 GMT -5
Helen, how can you sit there and be sooooo logical? Don, it is none of my business but are you making over $250,000 a year? Ok, now I know how you can afford all those Fairburns you sneaky old goat. You have been sitting in that chair with Jake and raking in a pile of money and you do not want to pay more taxes on it. Or you have been duping us and you are really a 47 year old guy living in So Cal and selling a pile of software. No wait, I remember you saying that your wife is not retired so maybe she is making a pile of money in South Dakota. OK, that one is a real stretch because I have been to South Dakota and I think there are less people there than there are in Wyoming. lol It is a real stretch for me to understand how anyone making less should be paying more. I just can not see the reasoning behind that. If I go to the gas station and pay a pile of taxes on every gallon and Willy Nelson pulls in behind me and pays a third of the taxes per gallon for his huge bus because he makes more in one minute than I make in a year. I am being penalized for him being rich is how I see it. I do not have one little thing against people being rich, especially the people that have gone out and earned it. But it does not matter if a rich person is paying 14% or 30% on his income he is still rich. An equal tax is not going to throw any of them into the poor house. It isn't even going to drop them into the middle class. I am perfectly willing to pay 30 or 40 percent if everyone else in this country bar none pays the same percentage. If everyone's taxes are dropped to 14 percent that would be fair but we would tank a hell of a lot sooner. I don't know, maybe I just have a hard time grasping this the same as Helen. Has anyone sat down and written up the logic behind this because I would really like to read it. I want to be enlightened. Convince me. How much snow did you get Don? We got the first measurable precip in about a year, 3 or 4 inches. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 9:37:12 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the politician in the news (can't remember where) that was whining because there was just no way he could live on $300,000 a year? I wish I could remember the particulars but it was unbelievable. He thought that everyone around him should though. I need to go out and buy a new memory because mine is broke. Jim
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 11, 2012 10:09:57 GMT -5
Billy, go soak your head. I mean that in the nicest way:). I know you do. But sometimes Jim gets on my nerves.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 11, 2012 10:13:17 GMT -5
Could say the same about the unions Helen.
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 11, 2012 11:28:30 GMT -5
<< then wonder why we are going down the toilet as a nation, unable to afford roads, teachers, police and disasters? >>
Wonder ? No need to wonder. We have a CIC who throws money down a rat hole, knowing full well that the only thing he's doing is repaying his big contributor buddies. Over a trillion in new debt every year, for the last 4 years is supposed to pull us out of debt ? Guess again.
I got where I am by cutting corners and saving. My house and cars are paid for. Obama doesn't believe in saving. He'd rather spend us into the crapper. The only saving he seems to want to do, is cut corners with our military, making us a weaker nation.
<< Why does Romney get to deduct $77,000 for his pet horse, and you don't get to deduct one penny for Jake? Is that fair? >>
The Romney's horses are a business investment. If I had wanted to start a business raising Jack Russels, and had used Jake for stud service, I'd have tax write offs too. Use your brain on that one Helen.
<< Don, it is none of my business but are you making over $250,000 a year? Ok, now I know how you can afford all those Fairburns you sneaky old goat. >>
No Jim, as a matter of fact, the combined income of my wife and I is less than $36,000.00 per year. We scrimped and saved for years to get to where we could live comfortably on that small amount. That's how I'm able to bid on Fairburns. (Paid $65.00 on a real beauty last night, just before I logged off).
Most of the snow storm went around us. We only got around an inch of that heavy, wet stuff. Got off easy. Didn't have to blow out the driveway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 12:53:07 GMT -5
Billy, why would I get on your nerves? Because I point out the reasons why you hate Obama? Because I tell you that I do not need a pipeline across Canada? Because I try to point out that continuing to burn fossil fuels is taking us down a road to oblivion for OUR grand kids? Because you are worried that I may be correct? Naaa, not a chance of that right? Here is a link that goes in depth about the disaster looming before us and how big oil has duped the American people into believing that what they are doing is the best thing for us. It is only 45 minutes so please take the time to watch it. It does not cost anything and I am sure that you will be enlightened by some ex-high ranking people that know the truth of it all. PLEASE WATCH Jim www.snagfilms.com/films/title/fuel#.UJXhguiyO9I.email
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 11, 2012 12:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 11, 2012 13:13:57 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 11, 2012 13:35:30 GMT -5
Know what steams me? Our economy is a mess, we're the brokest nation in the world, we just had this huge storm and people are in the streets without food, electricity etc, and the aholes in Washington still send piles of money over seas to foreign countries that hate us. Just sent like 23 million to Syria when you know most those rebels will wind up being Muslim radicals who will at some future time try to kill us. Send billions to the Paki's who also hate us for the most part. If we're going to borrow from China, at least we can keep the money here to help our citizens....Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 11, 2012 13:46:41 GMT -5
You know that ain't gonna happen Mel. We're in the time of the A$$ kissing, bow to your enemies age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 18:25:12 GMT -5
Iraq. Billions upon billions poured into that country ONLY because we need oil. We can not take it back. Mel, did you complain when we invaded Iraq then found that there were no weapons of mass destruction? Ten years of pouring billions upon billions into that country and the republicans did not complain. Now when the dems are in the white house you complain because 23 million was dumped in another country. Your complaining is valid if you complained about Iraq when the reps were in the white house. I totally agree with what you said but I bitched when all the money was pumped into Iraq. You can not bitch about one without bitching about the other. More than 23 million was poured into Iraq every day. Do you think that was ok? Don, so now 25,000 should rule over 50% of the people? I thought you were complaining about the lack of democracy. What percent of the Louisiana population is 25,000 people. Same in Texas. 25,000 is one grain of sand in a mason jar full of sand and you want that one grain of sand to rule over the rest of the people. Isn't that what is called communism by your standards. Don, I went to your links and read them from top to bottom. Will you please go to my link and watch it all the way through? You do not have to watch it all in one stretch. You can have it on one tab in your browser and go back to it when you have time. Mel, if one little scrap of what I said makes any sense to you please go to the link I posted and watch it. I will do anything within reason to get you to watch that film. Need some rocks cut up, I will cut it and send it ALL back. Need some Wyoming nephrite, I will send a box full if you will just take 45 minutes to watch the documentary. If you disagree or hate it you are out nothing and I will still send a box of rocks. Here is the link again to make it easy. Thank you. Jim www.snagfilms.com/films/title/fuel#.UJXhguiyO9I.email
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 11, 2012 18:52:17 GMT -5
Jim, 25,000 won't make any difference at all. But did you read my second link ? 25,00 is all it takes to get it on the ballot in Louisiana, but it would appear that the idea is catching on in many other states. This will only spread further. Even if it doesn't go any further than the petition stage, if it catches on in enough states, it will send a loud and clear message to Washington. career fat cat politicians on both sides of the line will hear the message and know that their jobs are on the line if real changes don't come.
Notice I said both sides of the line. Nothing political about that, though I'm sure some will read it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 19:53:27 GMT -5
I agree with you 100 percent. All the people in Washington that have anything to do with government need to be put on notice that if they do not perform they are out. There is not one person there that is irreplaceable and the ones that think they are should be the first to go.
There are some people that are afraid the government is going to put a chip in them so they can be controlled. Doesn't sound like a bad idea for the people in Washington. "We are just going to put this collar around your neck until you get voted out of office" "Don't worry it will not explode, just record where you went and what you said" "everyone gets one, we are not just singling you out". I am sure that we have the technology to do it right in our own government.
Did you check out my link? It covers the fat cat goings on so you will like it. Jim
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 11, 2012 20:03:47 GMT -5
Jim: I'm not in favor of putting American ground troops into any foreign nation or rebuilding the places we destroy. We've got the air power, if folks attack us, bomb them back to the stone age and keep destroying their infrastructure till they are too busy trying to stay alive to keep on attacking us. If they don't attack us, leave them be and let them solve their own dang problems. Unfortunately, it seems everyone expects us to be the world police force and we have interests in foreign countries and friendly nations we have treaties with we need to protect. We also have implacable enemies that will never stop trying to destroy our nation and who only understand strength. I can't think of an answer to the problem, can you?.....Mel
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 11, 2012 23:00:25 GMT -5
Iraq. Billions upon billions poured into that country ONLY because we need oil. We can not take it back. Wanna buy some Jim? We will pipe it right to ya.
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Post by helens on Nov 12, 2012 8:31:12 GMT -5
I thought the article was funny:). (Don... I'm who forwarded the Examiner link on Facebook:P) The funny part are the number of signatures (not even a single neighborhood's worth with every state combined). I'll bet Texas gets the most signatures (they're ahead). I'd also wonder if the the Fed will cut funding to the states with the most signatures. This should be an interesting forecast for Republican chances in 2014 (for the ENTIRE Congressional House replacement). It's not looking good for Republicans so far... LOL! This is how Boner plans to bargain for the Deficit, cutting Veterans and Senior benefits. You all better be on your knees thanking God Obama won, and the Dem's won the Senate, because there would be no one to fight for you RIGHT NOW if Romney won: www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-slams-gop-plan-reduce-deficit-cutting-veterans-benefits.htmlThe change that would bring about the cuts would be a switch in the calculation of COLAs for federal benefit programs like Social Security from the current system to a chained Consumer Price Index (CPI). On the surface, the change seems small. Business Insider explained the Chained CPI, “The C-CPI assumes that consumers are making different choices right now. Because of the economic down-turn, they’re substituting cheaper products for the ones they used to buy (say, going for the cheaper apple versus a more expensive peach at the supermarket, or buying cat food instead of ground beef). It presumes that consumers are effectively changing the real CPI number. Using the C-CPI, rates would re-calibrate every two years according to a reading of consumer spending. And since Social Security is linked to the CPI, it has the potential to reduce social security payments…Since spending on government programs (like social security) will be calculated based on C-CPI (as they are now on CPI), their cost will go down, and people’s benefits will be cut.”
In short, Republicans are trying to push through a benefit cut to veterans, the disabled, and seniors by disguising it as a tweak to the system. Sen, Sanders told reporters, “We do not honor our disabled veterans by cutting their benefits. In my view in this country means anything it means we keep the promises we make to the people who put their lives on the line to defend us.”
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