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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 13:40:21 GMT -5
Maybe us Canadians should act like the Arabs and start killing Americans. Then your prez might want our oil. We could also use some FREE jets and tanks.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 13:51:06 GMT -5
Today at 9:41am, helen wrote: Actually, I could be wrong, since I don't know much about oil transport in general, but from all the oil trucks I see, they are mostly truck hauled... US jobs for low-skill truckers .
Helen tonight you and your hubby should go have lunch at the nearest truck stop and tell them truckers that there jobs are "low skilled". I dare ya.
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 14:14:49 GMT -5
Highway damage = highway repairs = more American jobs. That's bad?
Not very long ago, you said you guys needed American Oil workers... but they're not going there because they are already employed in South Dakota and Texas HERE. So where are these specialty oil workers going to come from to build the pipeline? Truck drivers, railway workers and highway construction guys will get fired, but they won't get hired as oil pipefitters because they have 0 experience.
And these guys can get fired, so we can increase the costs of transporting our food, increase gas prices in the Midwest, and pollute it's way across the Continental USA... BUT! The Koch Bros and Canada will make lots of money! Gee... wonder why it's not passed yet... gee...
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 14:15:20 GMT -5
Low-skilled as in OIL industry skillz.
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 14:16:53 GMT -5
Maybe us Canadians should act like the Arabs and start killing Americans. Then your prez might want our oil. We could also use some FREE jets and tanks. Not sure you'd like that... your free jets and tanks would be burnt up after killing a lot of Canadians, something neither side wants, because Americans are very fond of Canadians:).
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 15:17:46 GMT -5
Highway damage = highway repairs = more American jobs. That's bad?
Its only good if you have the funds to do it. Your BROKE remember.
Not very long ago, you said you guys needed American Oil workers... but they're not going there because they are already employed in South Dakota and Texas HERE. So where are these specialty oil workers going to come from to build the pipeline? Truck drivers, railway workers and highway construction guys will get fired, but they won't get hired as oil pipefitters because they have 0 experience.
CALGARY, Alberta - September 14, 2010 – TransCanada Corporation (TransCanada) (TSX, NYSE: TRP) today is pleased to announce a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.
The Project Labor Agreement is with the Laborers International Union of North America, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of the United States and Canada, AFL-CIO, the International Union of Operating Engineers and the Pipeline Contractors Association.
“The proposed Keystone XL pipeline will have a significant impact on the North American economy through the thousands of manufacturing and construction jobs it is creating," says Russ Girling, TransCanada president and chief executive officer. “This project is entirely paid for with private sector dollars and is shovel ready.”
“It’s our job to weld sections of Keystone Pipeline that will extend miles underground, across several states and transport hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil daily for decades to come,” said William Hite, General President of the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of the United States and Canada, AFL-CIO. “It’s the vision and competence of TransCanada in the U.S.that provides our skilled local workforce with the means to perform the trade they have been taught while contributing to their communities. We are proud to be a part of the collaboration that is Keystone Pipeline.”
“An ambitious project of this scope, spanning over five states and employing thousands of American construction workers, will unequivocally help remedy the struggles of our country’s working families,” said International Union of Operating Engineers General President Vincent J. Giblin. “History has proven time and time again that infrastructure projects, such as this, lead to the resurgence of our nation’s economy and the ripple effects are far-reaching. The IUOE is proud to be part of the Keystone XL pipeline and our operating engineers throughout the Midwest are ready to provide TransCanada with the skill, professionalism and pride this project requires.”
"This illustrates how PLAs are a win-win for employers, for working men and women and for our communities and our countries," said Terry O'Sullivan, General President of LIUNA. "The partnership between TransCanada and workers and their unions will create good family-supporting jobs, while helping business and our countries compete."
BUT! The Koch Bros and Canada will make lots of money! Gee... wonder why it's not passed yet... gee...
Because there republicans and Barry's croney warren has the monopoly on the transport. Barry's gotta pay the election cash back some how.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 15:19:48 GMT -5
Labor Agreement For Keystone XL Pipeline To Create 13,000 American Jobs www.pipeline-news.com/feature/labor-agreement-keystone-xl-pipeline-create-13000-american-jobsTransCanada Corporation announced a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 15:23:08 GMT -5
Low-skilled as in OIL industry skillz. Hey Geoff, are you low skilled? Helen thinks so. Jump in on this one and explain how high tech your job is.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 15:48:52 GMT -5
More than $20 billion in new spending for the U.S. economy;
More than 118,000 person-years of employment;
An increase of $6.5 billion in the personal income of Americans;
Increased gross output (product) of $9.6 billion; and More than $585 million in state and local taxes in the states along the pipeline route.
You are borrowing more than 85 billion a month. Thats about as smart as a staving dog refusing food.
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Post by bhiatt on Feb 26, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -5
if you look at the map of the proposed keystone project there is just as much work if not more work in the United States than Canada for this project. Hopefully Canada doesnt get an inrush of illegals like Texas and lower the standard. I see they joined with LIUNA, good deal. Right to work means right to work for less.
The pipeline is supose to be heading east to Wood River, IL close to me. I rely on working in that refinery. Its a very big refinery and they have a lot of work going on that supports a lot of families not just full time workers but contract workers like myself. You can make a ton of money in a short period of time working a lot of overtime for multiple days in a row without a day off. I get pumped when I hear there is a project bout to start in that place.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 16:04:08 GMT -5
Hopefully Canada doesnt get an inrush of illegals like Texas and lower the standard.
If there American illegals. That would be a good thing. The more the better. At least you folks speak our language and share similar cultures.
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Post by MrP on Feb 26, 2013 18:58:35 GMT -5
Low skilled truckers!!!!
HELEN why don't you kiss my A$$ My Dad was a trucker all his life! He made a great living and was dammed proud of it.
It is sickening reading your stupid diatribe. You are always putting down the working person and praising the low life lazy non worker.
I realize you are not bright enough to figure it out yourself but almost everything you use is brought to you by one of those "low skilled truckers"...............MrP
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 19:08:13 GMT -5
MrP, I said low skilled as in OIL FIELD skills. And when Billy mentioned it, I clarified OIL SKILLZ.
In that clarification, a rocket scientist or a pro basketball player is LOW SKILL in the OIL FIELDS.
I know plenty of truckers myself, some being members of my family. That said, learn to read, and you can kiss MAH A$$.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 19:08:35 GMT -5
Low skilled truckers!!!! HELEN why don't you kiss my A$$ My Dad was a trucker all his life! He made a great living and was dammed proud of it. It is sickening reading your stupid diatribe. You are always putting down the working person and praising the low life lazy non worker. I realize you are not bright enough to figure it out yourself but almost everything you use is brought to you by one of those "low skilled truckers"...............MrP lol I was wondering when one of the truckers here would say something. I drive truck to. Takes skill to drive on ice. Takes skill not to drive over crappy drivers that cut off big rigs. Some big trucks in the oilpatch have 40 gears to shift. (10 main and 4 aux) Two gear shifters.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 26, 2013 19:11:52 GMT -5
A low skilled worker in the oil patch would start at about $20 - $30 hr. Hmmm $25 an hr or foodstamps hmmm!!! They will train people Helen.
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 19:20:38 GMT -5
Um hmm. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/report-keystone-xl-gas-prices_n_1536227.htmlKeystone XL Would Raise Gas Prices, Report Finds WASHINGTON -- The Natural Resources Defense Council on Tuesday released a report dispelling the myth that the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline would lower gas prices. Rather, the opposite is true, findings show. <...> The report found the pipeline will increase U.S. gasoline prices by three mechanisms, most immediately by reducing the amount of gasoline produced in the United States. The pipeline will divert crude oil from Midwestern refineries, which are designed to produce as much gasoline as possible from a barrel of oil, to Texas Gulf refineries, which are designed to produce as much diesel as possible from a barrel of oil. The result in the immediate to short term will be a decline in gasoline production and an increase in diesel, according to the report.
Other findings in the report include that the pipeline will increase the price of crude oil in the Midwest and Rocky Mountains by over $20 a barrel, increasing the cost of Canadian tar sands by as much as $27 billion annually. These higher crude oil costs are expected to lead to deteriorating financial conditions in Rocky Mountain and Midwestern refineries, which could in turn result in decreased production. That's because if Midwestern refineries are forced to pay a higher price for oil, as East Coast refineries already do, they will be forced to respond by reducing their production and further decreasing U.S. gasoline supplies, according to the report . ____________ Sounds horrible. A quote from TransCanada's own report: www.nwf.org/~/media/PDFs/Global-Warming/Tar-Sands/pipeline_for_profit_071120113.pdf?dmc=1&ts=20130226T1913367031From TransCanada Keystone Pipeline GP Ltd., Canadian application to build the Keystone XL Pipeline: Section 3: Supply and Markets 3.4.3 Crude Pricing Impact Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II [U.S. Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC [U.S. Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in PADD II by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. Similarly, if a surplus of light synthetic crude develops in PADD II, the Keystone XL Pipeline would provide an alternate market and therefore help to mitigate a price discount. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion. __________________ From Bloomberg: www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-22/keystone-xl-pipeline-will-raise-u-s-gasoline-prices-group-says.htmlKeystone XL Pipeline Will Raise U.S. Gasoline Prices, Group Says TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s proposed pipeline to carry crude from the oil sands of Canada to the U.S. Gulf Coast would increase gasoline prices, according to a report from an environmental group that opposes the project.
The Keystone XL pipeline would divert crude oil from the U.S. Midwest to refineries along the Gulf Coast geared to producing diesel fuel for export, the Natural Resources Defense Council said in a report today. That will decrease the amount of gasoline produced for U.S. consumers and raise production costs, making the fuel more expensive, according to Anthony Swift, author of the report and an attorney with the environmental group. __________________ So we want to not only cost Truckers their jobs, after all the complaints about gas pricing on this thread, we want it to go UP some more so Canadian oil guys like Billy can make more money. Honestly, I'm all for Billy AND Canada making more money. But not at the expense of US gas prices going up. And since our FOOD comes from the Midwest, why would anyone want their food going up too? Or truckers and railroad guys losing their jobs? Or having a pipeline pollute its way across the US? What a dumb idea. That said, Bhiatt, I read they were already building the lower part of the pipeline, because the Koch Bros are convinced they've paid enough bribes to Congress to get it passed anyway.
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Post by grayfingers on Feb 26, 2013 19:24:56 GMT -5
Low skilled truckers!!!! HELEN why don't you kiss my A$$ My Dad was a trucker all his life! He made a great living and was dammed proud of it. It is sickening reading your stupid diatribe. You are always putting down the working person and praising the low life lazy non worker. I realize you are not bright enough to figure it out yourself but almost everything you use is brought to you by one of those "low skilled truckers"...............MrP ;D Oh my, looks like Mr. P is P-eeing on the BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN ;D
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 19:35:34 GMT -5
It is sickening reading your stupid diatribe. You are always putting down the working person and praising the low life lazy non worker. I missed this earlier. Show me 1 post out of my 5000 posts where I PRAISED the low life non worker? Unless you mean retirees and Vets? I have no respect whatsoever for lowlife NON-workers, particularly the jobless ones running for President while collecting his $21 million dollar passive gains from insider stock tips. I think they should be made to pay more taxes, at least as much as truck drivers pay % wise. Oh wait.. bet you voted for that guy.
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Post by grayfingers on Feb 26, 2013 19:45:43 GMT -5
I missed this earlier. Show me 1 post out of my 5000 posts where I PRAISED the low life non worker? Unless you mean retirees and Vets? Whoa, lemme see. . . Truck Drivers, Veterans, and Retirees. . . you go girl! ;D
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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 19:55:41 GMT -5
Actually, I don't recall praising truck drivers. I said they had low oil field skillz, along with rocket scientists and pro basketball players.
I have praised vets and retirees, because most of my favorite people are vets or retirees. However, I understand why you're Republican now, Bill... reading comprehension:).
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