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Post by helens on Feb 26, 2013 19:58:23 GMT -5
This is really funny, since my mom's a retiree, my husband's a vet, and my favorite brother in law is a long distance trucker. Next to my kids, those are my 3 favorite people on earth:).
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Post by cpdad on Feb 26, 2013 22:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by cpdad on Feb 26, 2013 22:12:24 GMT -5
by the way..paid $3.34 yesterday to fill up ;D
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 10:27:56 GMT -5
Will do, its crazy up here in the oilsands. I'm working for the South Korean's up here. I wish i could post some pictures. But everything is "tight" here. I could lose my job if I did. Which is to bad because it would really give the people who don't have a clue (rich and helen) a real insight of what really goes on here. If a person didn't know it was oilsand, they would think it was just another oilwell. This link is for all them folks who keep calling this place "tarsands". A little education for Rich and Helen. Tar From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A bottle of tar on exhibit at the Cape Fear Museum in Wilmington, North Carolina Tar is modified pitch produced primarily from the wood and roots of pine by destructive distillation under pyrolysis. Production and trade in tar was a major contributor in the economies of Northern Europe and Colonial America, particularly North Carolina. Its main use was in preserving wooden vessels against rot. The largest user was the Royal Navy. Demand for tar declined with the advent of iron and steel ships. Tar-like products can also be produced from other forms of organic matter such as peat. Mineral products resembling tar can be produced from fossil hydrocarbons including petroleum. Coal tar is produced from coal as a byproduct of coke production. Bitumen is a term used for natural deposits of oil "tar" – such as at the La Brea Tar Pits.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 10:30:34 GMT -5
Keep bashing the oilsands and the Keystone. When the crap hits the fan in the middle east. "Who ya going to call" Ghost busters won't help. All ya libs out there better star farting in balloons, yer going to need it. ;D
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 10:34:17 GMT -5
I missed this earlier. Show me 1 post out of my 5000 posts where I PRAISED the low life non worker?
You praise Barry all the time.
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Post by helens on Feb 27, 2013 10:56:21 GMT -5
Barry's always been employed. I've never praised Romney.
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Post by helens on Feb 27, 2013 10:58:03 GMT -5
Keep bashing the oilsands and the Keystone. When the crap hits the fan in the middle east. "Who ya going to call" Ghost busters won't help. All ya libs out there better star farting in balloons, yer going to need it. ;D Who ya gonna call? That's the point of 'domestic energy self sufficiency'. We should stop encouraging that to rely on Canadian tar? We have our own shale in Colorado.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 11:07:31 GMT -5
Something for ya to chew on helen. Sixteen environmental groups have signed a letter to CN CEO Claude Mongeau questioning the rail industry's safety record. The letter specifically cites a 2005 train derailment that spilled thousands of litres of oil and toxic chemicals into Lake Wabamun, in Alberta, and another accident the same year that dumped caustic soda into the Cheakamus River, killing half a million fish and poisoning the river for kilometres. - See more at: thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/01/31/CN-Crude-By-Rail/#sthash.NpvSoaeW.dpufMr. Buffett has a controlling stake in Union Tank Car, and has emerged as a major beneficiary of the crude-via-rail boom as the owner of BNSF Railway Co. — one of North America’s largest railway companies. BNSF reportedly earned US$272-million from crude shipments alone in 2012.
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Post by helens on Feb 27, 2013 11:50:58 GMT -5
Billy, since you mention it, the US rail system is owned by Americans. We should build a polluting pipeline owned by Canadians to displace American rail jobs... why?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 12:02:21 GMT -5
Billy, since you mention it, the US rail system is owned by Americans. We should build a polluting pipeline owned by Canadians to displace American rail jobs... why? Helen explain to me how a well maintained pipeline pollutes you air. While trains and trucks burn huge amounts of diesel everyday. Show me the rail safety record compared to pipelines. You might just learn something if you look it up. But I guess if Barry does not condone it it must be wrong. Pull your head out of the sand girl. Maybe we should pull what Hugo did to ya folks Just take over any US companies up here. Just ask John Kerry what that feels like. But you libs will keep supporting Hugo.
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Post by helens on Feb 27, 2013 17:20:25 GMT -5
Who said anything about the air? Pipelines spill. You completely ignore all the posts Parfive made that showed spills from pipelines IN CANADA, and the incredible environmental destruction they caused.
You completely forgot the mess made by the BP Oil Spill in the Gulf? I posted pix.. not once, multiple times. You get quiet for a bit, ignore the facts, then come back a week later to hit it from another angle. We get it.
As for spills from Railcar transport... by nature, it's small. It took WEEKS to cap the spill in the Gulf, where enough oil poured into one of the most beautiful pristine waters on earth, to supply the needs of an entire small nation for a year. Pipeline spills can't be capped quickly. A few rail cars worth of oil from a rare accident may equal 1 second of a pipeline's transit power.
But I know you know this already.
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Post by parfive on Feb 27, 2013 18:28:17 GMT -5
Sounds like Bushman’s incessant whine’s been cranked up a few dB beyond his usual snivelling howl.
Must be them tarballs and hockey pucks pilin’ up and gettin’ more and more desperate for that bailout from the cousins on south, eh? ;D
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 21:48:43 GMT -5
Sounds like Bushman’s incessant whine’s been cranked up a few dB beyond his usual snivelling howl. Must be them tarballs and hockey pucks pilin’ up and gettin’ more and more desperate for that bailout from the cousins on south, eh? ;D You know Rich. I would sooner have crude backed up. You know like a savings account. Oh ya your country kinda forgot what that is ;D. Than have to borrow 85 billion a month. You ever hear the saying your looking a gift horse in the mouth. Prob not when your stuck up over your ears in elephant dung. ;D Feels good until it gets cold.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 21:51:48 GMT -5
Oh well Rich soon China will buy it with the interest from your debt. So basically your buy it anyway. Sucks doesn't it.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 27, 2013 22:04:27 GMT -5
Who said anything about the air? Pipelines spill. You completely ignore all the posts Parfive made that showed spills from pipelines IN CANADA, and the incredible environmental destruction they caused. You completely forgot the mess made by the BP Oil Spill in the Gulf? I posted pix.. not once, multiple times. You get quiet for a bit, ignore the facts, then come back a week later to hit it from another angle. We get it. As for spills from Railcar transport... by nature, it's small. It took WEEKS to cap the spill in the Gulf, where enough oil poured into one of the most beautiful pristine waters on earth, to supply the needs of an entire small nation for a year. Pipeline spills can't be capped quickly. A few rail cars worth of oil from a rare accident may equal 1 second of a pipeline's transit power. But I know you know this already. The Bp spill was a well not a pipeline. duh! As for pristine. ya ok. Miami and the other big cities have been pumping out there sh!t and pi$$ for close to 200 years. ;D You were saying. US train spills Only 16,400,000 results. Hazmat: New Jersey train derails, toxic spill reported in creek ... rt.com/usa/train-vinyl-chloride-njersey-980/Nov 30, 2012 – A freight train derailment in southern New Jersey has caused a spill of vinyl chloride. Freight Train Derails, Spills Chemicals In Paulsboro, NJ « CBS Philly philadelphia.cbslocal.com/.../freight-train-derails-spills-chemic...Nov 30, 2012 – newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/30/freight-train-derails-spills- ... renekubitza.com/u-s-bridge-collapse-derails-toxic-train/ U.S. bridge ... Train cars with toxic cargo fall off New Jersey bridge - CNN.com www.cnn.com/2012/.../us/...train-derail/index.ht... - United StatesNov 30, 2012 – A bridge failed in New Jersey's West Deptford area Friday, sending train cars with toxic chemicals into a creek near the Delaware River, the ... Investigators probe cause of New Jersey train derailment - CNN.com www.cnn.com/2012/12/.../us/new-jersey-train-der... - United StatesDec 1, 2012 – Federal investigators on Saturday were investigating a New Jersey train derailment that led to the spill of a toxic chemical. New Jersey bridge collapse derails freight train; chemical leaks ... www.reuters.com/.../us-usa-train-derailment-idUSBRE8AT0PF...Nov 30, 2012 – PAULSBORO, New Jersey (Reuters) - A railroad bridge collapsed on Friday over a ... a Conrail freight train to derail and spill hazardous chemicals into the air and water, ... ”Keep your so-called workers,” U.S. boss tells France ... Train Derailment Causes Hazardous Material Spill in NJ - The Blaze www.theblaze.com/.../train-derailment-causes-hazardous-mater...Nov 30, 2012 – ... Talks about how she scored interview with restaurant owner in viral story. US. Train Derailment Causes Hazardous Material Spill in N.J.. Nov. Derailed Train Causes Toxic Spill in New Jersey | Common Dreams www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/11/30-1Nov 30, 2012 – A derailed Conrail freight train has spilled hazardous chemicals into a Delaware River tributary Friday morning. The U.S. Coast Guard is ... Evacuation Remains in Effect After Paulsboro Chemical Spill | NBC ... www.nbcphiladelphia.com › news › localNov 30, 2012 – ... of a train derailment and chemical spill that sickened 71 people and forced ... On Saturday, a joint investigation by the U.S Coast Guard, NJ ... Chemical leak after train derails - ITV News www.itv.com/.../new-jersey-train-derailment-chemical-leak/Nov 30, 2012 – A rail bridge has collapsed over a creek in the US state of New Jersey, causing a freight train to derail and to spill hazardous chemicals. Bridge collapse derails train in New Jersey, spilling toxic chemicals ... www.nydailynews.com/.../train-derails-n-spills-to... - United StatesNov 30, 2012 – Hazardous materials from the derailed cars spilled into the creek below the bridge. The swing bridge, used daily by freight trains, buckled under ... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Put you propaganda book away for once and smell the real world.
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Post by helens on Feb 27, 2013 23:21:08 GMT -5
Hrm: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304441404577478610992607188.htmlwww.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/02/26/plains-midstream-canada-oil-spill-alberta_n_2766991.htmlwww.davidsuzuki.org/issues/oceans/science/marine-planning-and-conservation/protecting-canada-from-an-oil-spill/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13284849Don't you work in Alberta? Oil spill in Canada's Alberta 'biggest in 35 years' A major oil pipeline leak in Alberta, Canada, is the largest the region has seen in 35 years, officials say. Around 28,000 barrels of oil have spilled from a rupture in the Plains Midstream Canada Rainbow pipeline in northern Alberta. ________________ 28,000 BARRELS of oil spilled? BARRELS? How many gallons are in a barrel? Even better... on google maps: maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=m&vpsrc=6&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=203823574004532968407.0004b6477950daa7880c1JUST Pipeline oil spills in Canada: Pipeline ruptures and oil spills in Canada Globalnews.ca logs key oil spills and pipeline ruptures that have affected the country, including an incident in the U.S. that was triggered by an Enbridge pipeline leak. Public · 2,179 views Created on Jan 11, 2012 · By · Updated Jun 8, 2012 Rate this map · Write a comment · KML · Wrigley, N.W.T. About 1,500 barrels of oil leaked from Enbridge’s pipeline in the Northwest Territories in May 2011. The leak was about 50 kilometres south of the community of Wrigley, N.W.T. While the company sa... Peace River, Alberta Alberta logged the province’s biggest crude oil pipeline leak on April, 29, 2011, after 28,000 barrels of oil spilled just northeast of Peace River. No one was injured in the incident, as the leaked... Marshall, Michigan Enbridge’s pipeline rapture in Marshall, Michigan resulted in an estimated 20,000 barrels of crude oil leaking into the environment on July 29, 2010. The leak was the “most serious environment incid... Chetwynd, B.C. About a million litres of crude oil spilled into the pristine waters of the Pine River between Prince George and Chetwynd on Aug. 1, 2000, when the Pembina Pipeline ruptured in the middle of the night... St. Lawrence Seaway Crews in Montreal worked on a series of major oil spills to contaminate the St. Lawrence Seaway in summer 2010. About 35 barrels of diesel fuel mixed into the water following a spill from the Suncor... Terra Nova offshore oil platform, near St. John's Newfoundland In November 2004, a machinery malfunction led to a 170,000 litre spill at Petro-Canada’s Terra Nova offshore oil platform about 350 kilometres southeast of St. John’s, Newfoundland. Scientists warne... Burnaby, B.C. In July 2007, black liquid rained spewed onto neighbourhood streets of Burnaby, B.C. after an oil pipeline was ruptured under a highway in the West Coast city. Oil gushed onto houses and sprayed int... Red Deer, Alberta Up to 3,000 barrels of crude oil spilled from a Plains Midstream Canada pipeline into a tributary of the Red Deer River on June 8, 2012. Now... lets tally up the total gallonage of spills in the US off of rail transport, and the total gallonage of spills IN CANADA ALONE from PIPELINES. I win. Edited to add, I win the argument about which method destroys land faster, railcar oil spills vs pipeline oil spills. You, and Canada, win the contest against the US for who can destroy some of the most beautiful, pristine, land God made on earth in the shortest possible time (over 1 year). It will be a cold day when you convince me we want US lands polluted as grotesquely as your land has been.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Feb 28, 2013 0:36:39 GMT -5
Pipelines are Safe and Getting Safer • Pipeline operators spent at least $2.7 billion on inspection and maintenance of their pipelines over a six year period, and $600 million ensuring the safety of their storage tanks.1 • In the most recent survey, spills from crude oil pipelines are down 70% over the last 10 years and spill volumes are down 40%.2 • After an industry integrity management initiative, incidents caused by corrosion are down 73%, equipment failures down 50%, operational error down 40% and material and weld failures down 30%.2 • Pipeline incidents, while rare, do still happen. Pipeline operators work with the NTSB and PHMSA to determine incident causes, fix problems, and pay fines when appropriate. Pipeline Operators Exceed Safety Requirements • Liquid pipeline operators exceed safety requirements in many instances. For example, operators voluntarily repair pipe outside of high-consequence areas on the same fast schedule as required in high-consequence areas. They even proposed that government regulators make this a mandatory requirement. • Historically, liquid pipeline operators voluntarily reported any spill over 5 gallons, even though regulations required reporting any spill over 750 gallons. The government then strengthened their requirement to meet the pipeline operator’s higher standard.3 • Liquid pipeline operators perform in-pipe inspections, using hi-tech tools called “smart pigs,” on 80% of their pipelines, much higher than other industries.4 Pipeline Operators are Covered by Comprehensive Laws and Regulations • In 2011, one of the few bipartisan bills enacted by Congress and signed by the President reauthorized and strengthened federal pipeline safety laws, which pipeline operators supported. The new law doubles penalties and fines and strengthens damage prevention requirements.5
Pipelines Are Safer than Rail, Truck and Barge Alternatives • Pipelines are the safest way to transport fuel. Accidents are 3,000 times more likely to occur with a large truck, 38 times more likely to occur by barge, and 25 times more likely to occur by rail.6 • Replacing rail or truck traffic with a pipeline reduces unhealthy air pollution and congestion. For example, the newly announced Four Bears pipeline will remove the need for 300 truck trips per day in rural North Dakota.7
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Post by parfive on Feb 28, 2013 1:56:18 GMT -5
Hey, Tarball !!!Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers: “Tar sands was coined in the early years of the industry and was used to describe the oil sands deposits found in northern Alberta.” Suncor Energy: Joyce Hunt - In 1894 R.G. McConnell of the Geological Society and Deputy Minister of Mines boldly stated that the deposits were known as tar sands, and by 1913 Canadian geologists had agreed to describe “the black plastic mass as ‘Tar Sands.’”
In 1910 the Canadian government made this term official when it referred to tar sands in a Privy Council Order passed to regulate development in northern Alberta.
Bruce Predham - In 1978 Canada Post issued a stamp commemorating the Tar Sands. It depicted a bucketwheel excavator,(presumably working at the GCOS mine, considering GCOS was the only operation to use bucketwheel excavators), and the words "Canada's Tar Sands".
Joyce Hunt - When my husband and I arrived in Fort McMurray in 1973, "tar sands" was the term commonly used to describe the Athabasca deposits and was still the accepted nomenclature when we departed in 1994. By the time we returned to Alberta in 2006, "oil sands" had become the preferred expression. Out of curiosity, I dug through my collection of assorted materials on the oil sands and found a pamphlet titled "The Syncrude Story" that was a part of the company's promotional material widely distributed during the 1970s. The heading on the very first page is : "What is Tar Sand" . This term is repeated throughout the rest of the pamphlet.
During the 1920s there is a distinct change in words used . By that time, Asphaltum, Bituminous or Bitumen, Oil Sands as well as Tar Sands were included in the company names. Some of the more interesting are: Georgeson Tarsands Extraction Process Development Company, Alberta Tar Sand Products Company, Northland Oils and Tar Sands Limited, as well as Waterways Tar Sands Extraction Syndicate.
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Post by helens on Feb 28, 2013 2:46:19 GMT -5
Billy, with ONE spill from a pipeline, look at what's spilled. You must be joking that one overturned truck can remotely compare. That's like saying that fires are more common at coal burning electrical plants, so we should build nuclear plants... despite that one nuclear plant accident kills everyone for miles and contaminates the soil for hundreds of years, producing mutant children and animals for decades.
If that many BILLIONS are spent on SAFETY, and in the PAST YEAR all those accidents I listed happened to spill a hundred thousand BARRELS of oil on your soil, killing your plants, animals and land... what's THAT say about the safety? It's not safe at all?
But what really says it all is this sentence you wrote: "For example, the newly announced Four Bears pipeline will remove the need for 300 truck trips per day in rural North Dakota.7"
How many US truckers would lose their jobs in 'rural North Dakota' alone?
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