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Post by grayfingers on Nov 13, 2013 17:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 19:02:41 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Nov 14, 2013 10:05:56 GMT -5
Isn't so much poor deer population as it is people overcrowding in areas available to the public, and too many crazies. My son and I were walking out on a little road, stopped to say hi at a roadside camp, and some guy raised his rifle and threatened to shoot us. This guy was serious. I told my son whichever of us he shoots, the other has to get him. At that point I guess he figured his odds weren't good, dropped his rifle down, and told us to get the .... out of there. Later, in discussion w/a forester at the mill I used to work at, that bunch was being closely watched by the cops for poaching. Most people I know that are getting deer now are hunting on private ground, but you have to know somebody. I've counted 11 deer in my back yard, but here I don't dare shoot them. A friend that still lives near where we grew up, and that area has turned into a developed nightmare [that's why I got out of there], says the creek bottoms are now full of deer. When we were growing up, one could bag them, none to be seen. Smart critters. Evert state has a few of those. Public land is famous for beefs like that. Scary stuff. Things get elevated and tit for tat and you never know. I feel for game wardens. They will not hardly go in the woods down here. They wait at the poacher's car/truck if at all possible instead of walking up on a well hidden guy up in a deer stand.The most effective tool here is to press charges through the sherif. Most hunting land is AG zoned and trespass on AG land in Georgia is a felon-boom you got him ! The urban deer are being taken with a bow. Very common form of hunting around here. |
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Post by ash on Nov 14, 2013 11:33:15 GMT -5
The Plant where I work is infested with deer, you have to watch for them when leaving. The ditches are deep so one will pop up every now and then and scare the crap out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 13:07:00 GMT -5
holy-bat-sh\t-phugman! That beast has everything! Split & dropped brow tines, the right half may have a split main beam, extra points, the right side also looks llike it may have branched points ala muley style....... wow! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 13:11:53 GMT -5
another image of Mr. Maxwell's 235"P&Y buck from Jims neighborhood.  The right beam is split thee ways! |
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 14, 2013 14:44:54 GMT -5
That is the most amazing non-typical Whitetail I have seen. Too bad he could not have been spirited away for a private breeding program. Who knows, some selective breeding and one might develop a line. Oh, that guy is WAY too young to get that lucky. . .and in somebody's yard, no less. Buck Karma may mess with him for a few years now.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 14, 2013 15:38:52 GMT -5
We hate him. Very jellyous. Not fair. May buck karma infest his arm pits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 15:44:16 GMT -5
Bill, those breeding farms in Texas would have loved that guy. Still they have plenty of good genetics  Click the link and look at the vimeo - ------> mind boggled |
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Post by jamesp on Nov 14, 2013 15:54:58 GMT -5
goodgrief deemoose carideer elkeer martiandeer
If i saw that whilst hunting i would go coronary
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 14, 2013 15:55:37 GMT -5
Why would excessive antlers be considered "good" genetics? I mean, I understand that the bucks use them during rut to fight for females, but at what point do they become a hinderance? I'd think they'd be heavy, and could be a problem going through thick brush.
Or are huge antlers an asset, simply because the ladies like them? Or maybe they can intimidate other bucks just by the size alone?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 16:06:57 GMT -5
Ha! Dont be silly.
It's good because they sell for more money.
I am getting the impression those monstrosities die young from complications related to the excessively HUUUUGE antlers. The first one I ever saw "sudden impact" died young to infection related to the antlers.
and the pierce website indicates they lost THREE huge bucks in the same year. Not good.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 14, 2013 16:16:37 GMT -5
Ha! Dont be silly. It's good because they sell for more money. That pretty much answered my question. I meant what good are they for the animal, not the person that stands to benefit from their sheer size. So health risks, yeah, I can see that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 16:24:52 GMT -5
albino cornsnakes were produced out of greed, the gene is no benefit to the animal. Except the specimen would not live at all were it not for the gene.
The only difference in the two examples is the cornsnake's gene is not negative to the specimen we discuss.
Better management and health care would be beneficial I accept all get to make their own judgements. Personally, I make none. I dont feel qualified until I own the animal.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 14, 2013 16:55:21 GMT -5
It's not up to me to make judgements, either, and I'm not playing devil's advocate. I was only curious as to whether antlers that large were detrimental to the animal's health. That's all.
Agree with James, a typical hunter would go coronary if he saw that in the woods!! Not something you see every day...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 17:37:06 GMT -5
goodgrief deemoose carideer elkeer martiandeer If i saw that whilst hunting i would go coronary I am not sure I would see it before I killed it. That Georgia boy said he didnot even notice the rack until he'd arrowed it and it was stumbling his way. Dude had the thing die 15 feet from where he stood when hot released the arrow! I have a buddy has shot 2 neck banded geese. Claims he never saw the neck band until he picked it up in the field. Bright red band on the neck of a white goose! |
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Post by jamesp on Nov 14, 2013 18:52:52 GMT -5
Why would excessive antlers be considered "good" genetics? I mean, I understand that the bucks use them during rut to fight for females, but at what point do they become a hinderance? I'd think they'd be heavy, and could be a problem going through thick brush. Or are huge antlers an asset, simply because the ladies like them? Or maybe they can intimidate other bucks just by the size alone? Some big guys seem to get away with intimidation. Often the big ones just get the chicks cause they know when they are in heat. The young ones will chase females and get rejected cause they are not in heat But no one ever knows about women.(a poke) Some bucks are just mean as hell. I was grunt at a young buck 8 pointer. He came from 3-400 yards. Right in front of me. Walking sideways. Hair on end. White of eyes blaring. I was very scared. I know of 2 men gored to death by whitetail buck and several attacks. |
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Post by jamesp on Nov 14, 2013 19:15:46 GMT -5
An old spike with long spikes can be super aggressive. Like a 2 horned unicorn. It spears adversaries.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 14, 2013 19:21:19 GMT -5
Why would excessive antlers be considered "good" genetics? I mean, I understand that the bucks use them during rut to fight for females, but at what point do they become a hinderance? I'd think they'd be heavy, and could be a problem going through thick brush. Or are huge antlers an asset, simply because the ladies like them? Or maybe they can intimidate other bucks just by the size alone? Some big guys seem to get away with intimidation. Often the big ones just get the chicks cause they know when they are in heat. The young ones will chase females and get rejected cause they are not in heat But no one ever knows about women.(a poke) Yeah, I got that. |
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 14, 2013 20:10:18 GMT -5
Bill, those breeding farms in Texas would have loved that guy. Still they have plenty of good genetics Click the link and look at the vimeo - ------> mind boggled EGads! I had no idea they were doing that. . . Looks like the stuff dreams are made of. When one thinks about it, it is not so different than the selective breeding we have applied to mucho flora and fauna to suit our fancies, and not always with the health of the sub-specie as a high priority. I can see where there would be an increased chance of infection during velvet with all the added surface and increased demand for blood. |
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