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Post by jamesp on Nov 12, 2013 11:33:55 GMT -5
This is the stand sitting on a small knob. 160 yard shooting alley is past it as you are looking at it. This morning's deer is a white spot at lower left. Sitting in stand. White spot at lower left is this morning's harvest. Ahead is the shooting alley. This deer walked from right to left and turned till it walked 30 feet to left. Another view at the shooting alley. I had missed a deer at about 130 yards out not 20 minutes before this deer. Shot the gun and noticed it is high and to left. excuses excuses Shooting in the bush like this is a bit tricky. You must not have high velocities. So i load my own. Instead of 150 grain 30.06, load a 220 grain bullet. 270 use 170 instead of 130 or 150.Below 2400 fps Looking off the right side of the stand. Long ways down. Threading an arrow thru that mess would be a challenge
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Post by Fossilman on Nov 12, 2013 11:47:54 GMT -5
Nice area James! I miss the great deer hunting in Montana and North Dakota!I don't care what anybody says,deer hunting in western Oregon SUCKS!!! LMAO.....
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Post by jamesp on Nov 12, 2013 18:33:22 GMT -5
Sorry for you Fossilman. I have heard about Montana. That's where we brag or dream about going. I like hunting here though. No corn or soy beans or pasture grass. The deer are totally eating native plants and do not even like corn bait and scents. They are smart and and get away from unnatural activity/smells and objects. Most of us have a spare freezer for deer meat. I think the limits are 15 or 20 in my county.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:59:44 GMT -5
You need to trim "death alley" better for more confidence in the take.
Just the shooting lanes. Nothing more.
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Post by quartz on Nov 13, 2013 0:00:06 GMT -5
Quite a luxury, high dollar stand w/easy chair. Best I ever had was a cold and generally wet limb. Nice place to hunt though, I always liked that thick stuff with a few holes in it. As fossilman said, hunting in western OR now sucks, wasn't always that way. Larry [native Oregonian]
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 6:47:49 GMT -5
Well said Scott. That 80 acres is next to me and has been bank owned for 20 years and i have had my way on putting shooting alleys on it the whole time. That alley is an old one so i will have to cut 4-8 inch trees over 150 yards distance. and cut them into small pieces so i can throw them into the woods so i can keep it mowed once a year. That would be a about a 15 pound weight loss in a weeks worth of work:). You stated a cold hard fact. Poor chain saw, looks like Scott is putting us to work. I take kids up on that stand because you can just about shoot a deer an hour out of it. Have trained one nephew and one niece out of that stand. I think Mallory hunts to this day. We use it for meat deer which are does and genetic spikes. Mallory got married about 4 years ago. I'd say she grew up
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 6:53:53 GMT -5
You would think that Oregon would have a thriving deer population as strict as they are environmentally Larry. Darn deer like deciduous browse or row crops growing in good soil. The deer are tiny in south half of Georgia due to sandy soil. Mid Georgia is clay soil full of minerals and the deer are awesome in health and quantity. I wonder what caused the poor deer population?
Headed out for couple hours. Coldest day of the year by 10 degrees at 22F. No wind. Dry. About peak rut. If i can't get the big buck this morning then i am a loser for the 300+ time.LOL
Out at 7 back in at 9:30. Feet are frozen. Saw zero. Got busted(smelled) by a little group of probably 2 or 3.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 13, 2013 10:04:43 GMT -5
Too bad you got nada this morning, James, after braving the cold. Brrrrr! My feet are getting cold just thinking about it. We'll get a little taste of the cold in the Cadys this weekend, but not that cold! Low temp 37 degrees (they are forecasting), could be a little chilly in a tent.
Yeah, I think you got some trimming to do, to give you better chances for a clear shot. More work, more work, more work. It never ends...
Fifteen to twenty deer in the freezer? Awesome! In Cali, F&G would probably have a cow if you had more than one. I don't know what the limits are, but can't possibly be more than a couple.
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 13, 2013 10:49:20 GMT -5
Ya know, though I am by nature more of a still hunter, (sneak & peek) I am liking the looks of a nice stand like that. I can still still traverse the mountains, though maybe not quite as spryly as I did 30 some years ago. I grew up hunting Mule deer, and one usually must hike to hunt them. When Whitetails moved into this area I soon learned a different tactic is required. They seem to have a much smaller range with more predictable trails. (Whitetails migrated into the higher mountain valleys of SW MT via the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers 20+ years ago.) I can sure see the value of a heavy blunt nose brush-cutter bullet in such a thicket.
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Post by quartz on Nov 13, 2013 11:05:56 GMT -5
Isn't so much poor deer population as it is people overcrowding in areas available to the public, and too many crazies. My son and I were walking out on a little road, stopped to say hi at a roadside camp, and some guy raised his rifle and threatened to shoot us. This guy was serious. I told my son whichever of us he shoots, the other has to get him. At that point I guess he figured his odds weren't good, dropped his rifle down, and told us to get the .... out of there. Later, in discussion w/a forester at the mill I used to work at, that bunch was being closely watched by the cops for poaching. Most people I know that are getting deer now are hunting on private ground, but you have to know somebody. I've counted 11 deer in my back yard, but here I don't dare shoot them. A friend that still lives near where we grew up, and that area has turned into a developed nightmare [that's why I got out of there], says the creek bottoms are now full of deer. When we were growing up, one could bag them, none to be seen. Smart critters.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 11:50:05 GMT -5
It was a nice clear hunt Jean. Put enough warm clothes on and all is well. I need to get a trophy deer. Hunted for years and only have one wall hanger. Always get buck fever and miss when the big one comes along. Lots of deer stories. Most important is being outside. No gold no deer- who cares if we got to be outside...
Sounds like a little cool weather coming your way to the Cady's. I think it is never that cool in San Diego. Suthin' Cal. Jean is a suthina... from Alabamastan..where coffee cups are made w/the handle inside the cup...
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 13, 2013 12:16:41 GMT -5
James, you are too funny! I'll take warm, anyday. Y'all know I don't like to put on extry clothes, lol!
Just after 9am, and already 71 degrees here. S'posed to get up to 90 today, woo-hoo! (Eat your heart out, all you poor, cold souls...) James, it will only be chilly at night in the Cadys. They're saying highs 66 and 64 for Saturday and Sunday, and 5 - 10 mph winds. Oops, now they 're saying breezy Saturday night. Oh well, ya can't have everything go your way. As long as it doesn't go over the 15-25 they are forcasting. But the temps are perfect for picking rocks.
James, are you going to go out and try again later today/tonight for your trophy buck, or wait until morning? Or both? I wish you the best of luck for a wall hanger. Go get 'em!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 12:18:46 GMT -5
Well, Bill, you have to hunt if you live there in Montana. I picture you getting a weather report to see if you will survive or not. Or concerned about being bear breakfast. Or climbing 9000 feet. We get killed by hanging to death in climbing deer stands. Or falling out and breaking the neck. Stalk hunting is difficult due to thick brush. Our rush is footsteps in dry leaves. Or does being chased by monster buck making a lot of crunching and limb snapping. Have had 2 chases this week. Never saw them though.
I am guessing the Mulies are just as smart as whitetail. Hopefully not smarter. Nocturnal movement is the big problem here. I wondered if your deer are night time travelers.
The long shot phenomena would be another experience. That requires good nerves. Watching those long shots on TV hunts amazes me. But i am guessing that parts of Montana are total brush country.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 13, 2013 12:25:51 GMT -5
Got this in an email this morning. Probably a safe bet to say a lot of the states look like this: Where is Bill at??
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -5
Bill may bait his bear traps with those people Jean.
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 13, 2013 13:22:11 GMT -5
Jean, that had me goin' for a sec. James, yes I grew up in a hunting home. Literally never saw beef in the folk's house, ever. When I was a wee tyke I would stand on a chair in the front hall leering out into the dark watching for the familar glow of my Dad's Wagoneer. Then, when he pulled into the driveway I would run outside to see if he had signs of blood on his hands. I think Whitetails and Mulies each have their specialties, as far as being smart goes. You are right, much of Montana is sagebrush. I grew up in the mountain valleys, and we never went hunting further east than the edge of the prairie which is about an hour and a half away. One thing that suckers a Mule deer more often than a Whitetail is whistling a deer to a stop when they are running away. Many times the Mulie hears it and has to stop and have a look. The big bucks live at / around treeline and are masters of selecting a bed from which they can see hear and smell most anything creeping up on them. Another big difference is that a Whitetail will live in the bushes by people's houses, but a Mulie needs space. In many parts of the state they have been pushed out by increased human population, and the encroaching Whitetails. I started hunting big game when I was 12. I got really lucky and drew a moose permit. My first year I got an antelope (we call them prairie goats), a Mulie buck and a big cow moose. I was hooked. Since then I have shot many antelope, deer and elk. Never have drawn another moose permit, and have never shot a bear. I had a good chance at a nice cinnamon with a white chest once, (and had the fortune of having a bear tag too) but then he stood up and was scratching himself on a tree. I sat and watched him, he was enjoying himself. I could not shoot him. I love bear meat, Dad shot a few. He smoked the hams, best breakfast ham in the world. Mom rendered out the fat, (he took fall bears only) and made lye soap from her mother's recipe. I have not hunted in several years, work and then my parent's decline, demise and then handling their affairs put me behind on many things. I hope to be back at it by next fall. I miss it very much, as you say, the outdoor time is a tonic like no other.
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 13, 2013 14:08:57 GMT -5
I meant to mention that I long desired to hunt Whitetails before they were in this area in huntable numbers. I used to read old Outdoor Life magazines about the big mossy-horn bucks the Benoit brothers would track, sleeping on the trail until they outwitted the old boy. One of them wrote a book I read called “How to Bag the Biggest Buck of Your Life” Larry Benoit passed away this fall at 89. www.nytimes.com/2013/10/17/us/larry-benoit-babe-ruth-for-hunters-is-dead-at-89.html?_r=0
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:32:55 GMT -5
Maybe I need to come out and put in some sweat equity on that shooting lane. Then maybe, just maybe I can earn a few days in the chair. Jim, you live in paradise.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 15:50:43 GMT -5
Come hunt anytime. Here are what the pros say: "Meanwhile, the Atlanta suburbs continue to produce bow-bucks that rival a midwestern state’s top bucks, and Fulton County’s score is quickly shooting up the charts". The sewage in the river fog from the city makes the forage grow so rich in nutrients. Too funny. So guys in this hood are getting serious trophies. I know a guy that hunts illegally w/gun around the wooded buffer of the Federal Pen. Behind NAPA auto parts. Between the warehouses in the industrial district.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 13, 2013 16:31:42 GMT -5
Jean, that had me goin' for a sec. James, yes I grew up in a hunting home. Literally never saw beef in the folk's house, ever. When I was a wee tyke I would stand on a chair in the front hall leering out into the dark watching for the familar glow of my Dad's Wagoneer. Then, when he pulled into the driveway I would run outside to see if he had signs of blood on his hands. I think Whitetails and Mulies each have their specialties, as far as being smart goes. You are right, much of Montana is sagebrush. I grew up in the mountain valleys, and we never went hunting further east than the edge of the prairie which is about an hour and a half away. One thing that suckers a Mule deer more often than a Whitetail is whistling a deer to a stop when they are running away. Many times the Mulie hears it and has to stop and have a look. The big bucks live at / around treeline and are masters of selecting a bed from which they can see hear and smell most anything creeping up on them. Another big difference is that a Whitetail will live in the bushes by people's houses, but a Mulie needs space. In many parts of the state they have been pushed out by increased human population, and the encroaching Whitetails. I started hunting big game when I was 12. I got really lucky and drew a moose permit. My first year I got an antelope (we call them prairie goats), a Mulie buck and a big cow moose. I was hooked. Since then I have shot many antelope, deer and elk. Never have drawn another moose permit, and have never shot a bear. I had a good chance at a nice cinnamon with a white chest once, (and had the fortune of having a bear tag too) but then he stood up and was scratching himself on a tree. I sat and watched him, he was enjoying himself. I could not shoot him. I love bear meat, Dad shot a few. He smoked the hams, best breakfast ham in the world. Mom rendered out the fat, (he took fall bears only) and made lye soap from her mother's recipe. I have not hunted in several years, work and then my parent's decline, demise and then handling their affairs put me behind on many things. I hope to be back at it by next fall. I miss it very much, as you say, the outdoor time is a tonic like no other. That life style is like American History. Not many people were fortunate enough to live like you did Bill. The resources were there so why not. That is so strange that another species of deer moved in. But they brought Virgina and Wisconson deer to Georgia to increase size or something. And when the whitetail was very scarce . So the bloodlines in this area are heavily influenced by these brought in deer. Having the deer move in on it's own is a miracle. Many of the biggest whitetails are killed in suburbia. They are funny about hanging around development. I bet they are bold. They will chase dogs off. It's a funny and often dangerous animal. But to have a choice of 4 large hoofed mammals is outrageous. That would keep you on your toes! I see the issue w/your parents. That is a big deal. But it's got to be done. Glad you are climbing out and looking to get back to your life.
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