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Post by HankRocks on Dec 7, 2016 20:19:12 GMT -5
Dang! for a minute there, I thought someone was the victim of a catastrophic homemade barrel failure!!
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Post by jamesp on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 7, 2016 20:57:12 GMT -5
That can't be right, almost all Texan's are aware of the business end of a barrel.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 7, 2016 21:14:29 GMT -5
That can't be right, almost all Texan's are aware of the business end of a barrel. Serious case of brown nosing ? Head up the boss's....
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Post by 1dave on Dec 8, 2016 6:52:19 GMT -5
Back to the main subject. Old School = Rocks + Grit + water. Most rocks are some variation of SiO 2. As it tumbles the rocks break down to ever finer pieces of sand. jamesp found that sand isn't helpful in speeding up the tumbling process. It took months. From time to time someone would discover a better way as txrockhunter pointed out in the Clay Thread with Old Miser from Covington Other than an occasional item like that, SLURRY was never on anyone's radar. That gooey stuff was just an unfortunate mess that was part of polishing rocks. Wash it off and good riddance! Then along came jamesp . We are still waiting for Critical Mass. Will it happen this time?
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Post by jamesp on Dec 8, 2016 7:56:09 GMT -5
I talked to Shawn at the Rock Shed yesterday about Old Miser and red clay with SiC 30. Also about AO 220-skipping 500 and 1000 to 14,000 in the vibe. I asked to order AO 220 but he only had a bit for experiments. Apparently he is an experimenter too. I sent him your article 1dave. It will be interesting to see what he thinks about all of that info. Thank the soft coating on Florida/Georgia coral for slurry findings. It had to be tumbled off. Florida coral, super thick soft white coating. I had 40% reductions in barrel fill overnight at times, and running no grit with this stuff. Forced clean outs first 2-3 days. Georgia coral, white coating not near as thick but still substantial flickr link of heat treated and natural coral. Tried to chip and break it to loose some of the white coating. From one long road trip, Suwannee, Withlacoochee, Hand Cart Creek, Swift Creek, others. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/albums/72157636697583536Trip photos, summer of 2013. Stayed at Florida camp. Came back blood bone and muscle: www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157634645780408www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157635757224243www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157634891041733www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/721576358914946668 inch mum pots, 6 pounds/pot. Most of this was chipped in the field. Left the trash, saved the best tumble shapes.
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Post by 1dave on Dec 8, 2016 12:05:26 GMT -5
So the Coral made you do it! Thanks for sharing the coral photos. I hope you will do the same with Rios.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 13:00:56 GMT -5
I think that coating is hardened partially agatized clay. The clay the coral was embedded in when it was agatized.
Clay is a part of the agatizing process too. I can't help but feel the full circle your experiments are bringing.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 8, 2016 14:07:42 GMT -5
So the Coral made you do it! Thanks for sharing the coral photos. I hope you will do the same with Rios. The coral about had it's own instant slurry thickener. The Rios, add you own.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 8, 2016 14:18:38 GMT -5
I think that coating is hardened partially agatized clay. The clay the coral was embedded in when it was agatized. Clay is a part of the agatizing process too. I can't help but feel the full circle your experiments are bringing. Agatized clay sure seems accurate. I looked at that stuff in the slurry under magnification. Full of tiny needles of silica. Great abrasive for the soft skin removal for the first few days in the tumbler, no need to waste store bought abrasives. Coral hunters are aware of the abrasive texture of that coating. Loading/stacking it slowly removes epidermis. And if you get cut on it it festers like live coral festers.
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Post by 1dave on Dec 9, 2016 12:09:57 GMT -5
Clay is the ingredient those new to tumbling should consider adding to their tumbles. WHY? Because if it is of the proper consistency it will soften the rock falls and prevent bruising, AND spread out the grit and hold it in place for grinding! But - What Clay? - That is being considered over in the Clay Thread. Hopefully Billy - toiv0 will soon have some answers for us. The Clay Minerals - hydrated aluminum silicate - are a part of a general but important group within the phyllosilicates that contain large percentages of water trapped between their silicate sheets. Most clays are chemically and structurally analogous to other phyllosilicates but contain varying amounts of water and allow more substitution of their cations. It is more the physical characteristics of clays than chemical and structural characteristics) that define this group. Clay minerals are divided into four major groups. These are the important clay mineral groups: The Chlorite GroupThe Illite Group(or The Clay-mica, basically a hydrated microscopic muscovite) The Kaolinite GroupAnd the one we are interested in: The Montmorillonite/Smectite/Bentonite GroupThis group is composed of several minerals including pyrophyllite, talc, vermiculite, sauconite, saponite, nontronite and montmorillonite They differ mostly in chemical content. The general formula is (Ca, Na, H)(Al, Mg, Fe, Zn)2(Si, Al)4O10(OH)2 - xH2O, where x represents the variable amount of water that members of this group could contain. Talc's formula, for example, is Mg3Si4O10(OH)2. The gibbsite layers of the kaolinite group can be replaced in this group by a similar layer that is analogous to the oxide brucite, (Mg2(OH)4). The structure of this group is composed of silicate layers sandwiching a gibbsite (or brucite) layer in between, in an s-g-s stacking sequence. The variable amounts of water molecules would lie between the s-g-s sandwiches. The primary ingredient in Montmorillonite/Bentonite is hydrated aluminum silicate. Other constituents include calcium, magnesium, and iron (the composition varies according to the geographical location in which it is found). What is Bentonite? We think the clay we want has magnesium in it to be sticky enough to do a good job. I think the charged particles is what makes the clay stick to stuff is:
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Post by jamesp on Dec 9, 2016 14:39:57 GMT -5
I remembered DOT extracted a large amount of clay from this property about 3 miles up the road from me 10-12 years ago. Clay similar to the better tumbling clay. Billy toiv0, this is the Landham Road site I sent Google Earth sat maps of. I don't know the owner. It may have been Brian Jordan's of the Atlanta Baraves baseball team, but i think he bankrupted. In many cases you can look at the pine trees and determine iron content. Iron is a greening agent in plants. Looks like the whole area has at least 10-20 feet of clay depth. Few rocks. No pits, just surface removal. After 3 inches of rain. Bout got stuck on 1-2 degree slope, slicker than @#$%%(southern term). 3 feet to left, 3 feet to right. Pro mud driver More : www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/albums/72157677555401035Fulton County tax map search revealed this: Parcel ID: 09C070000170515 Parcel Address: 0 LANDHAM RD Owner: LE JARDIN VCOFI LLC Total Appraised: $988,300 Area: 374.4 acres
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 9, 2016 18:08:45 GMT -5
I like the looks of that material, told my co worker and she is going to test the two samples you send, at least for silt sand and clay content. We never get into the mineralization of the materials.
I got pics somewhere of my 17 inch tires looking like they are 24 inch fat tires. Not fun to get stuck in that mud. In Willis tx I got a 4 yard loader stuck to the belly on a Sunday, only took me 6 hrs to find someone to get me out.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 9, 2016 18:09:23 GMT -5
That land on that plot is for sale? How far is it from Atlanta?
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Post by pghram on Dec 10, 2016 13:00:22 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I miss that GA clay.
Peace,
Rich
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Post by jamesp on Dec 11, 2016 13:21:05 GMT -5
I like the looks of that material, told my co worker and she is going to test the two samples you send, at least for silt sand and clay content. We never get into the mineralization of the materials. I got pics somewhere of my 17 inch tires looking like they are 24 inch fat tires. Not fun to get stuck in that mud. In Willis tx I got a 4 yard loader stuck to the belly on a Sunday, only took me 6 hrs to find someone to get me out. The Landham road sample is as representative of most of the clay as I could tell. Feels like good ball park clay, maybe needs sand. Stuck ? In clay ? Ha, every day occurrence around here. Loader a different story. looking forward to tests Billy.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 11, 2016 13:34:02 GMT -5
I got the samples yesterday and will forward on to our lab tomorrow. The in house lab works on a when they have time basis so it might be a while. I will try and rush them. I like the feel of the clay, need to wet the tumbling clay to braille it.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 11, 2016 13:35:47 GMT -5
Here is the Fulton County tax map link. It will open live and you can navigate it; gis.fultoncountyga.gov/Apps/PropertyMapViewerCounty shows LE JARDIN VCOFI LLC as owner, I thought he foreclosed. Along with a couple of thousand more acres contingent. That would be Brain Jordan the Braves baseball player. This lot has failed subdivision curbs and gutters all over it. Cover over by erosion. Only problem I see is that it is close to the big intersection and may have commercial value. About 23 miles from dead center of Atlanta city. About 5 miles south of the shale pit I showed you a while back.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 11, 2016 13:37:12 GMT -5
I got the samples yesterday and will forward on to our lab tomorrow. The in house lab works on a when they have time basis so it might be a while. I will try and rush them. I like the feel of the clay, need to wet the tumbling clay to braille it. It is nice clay. Not sure what you guys need but it is homogenous all over that area. Color says baseball field.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 11, 2016 13:46:44 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I miss that GA clay. Peace, Rich Where are you now Mr. Rich ? You were in Lawrenceville.
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