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Post by pghram on Dec 11, 2016 13:58:00 GMT -5
We're north of Wilmington, NC, so we traded GA clay for the Carolina coast. I can't complain.
Peace,
Rich
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Post by jamesp on Dec 11, 2016 16:04:41 GMT -5
We're north of Wilmington, NC, so we traded GA clay for the Carolina coast. I can't complain. Peace, Rich Sand vs. clay, hmmm. Congrats on the move, coastal living at a cool town. Wilmington a fun and beautiful place.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 15, 2016 7:41:08 GMT -5
Well the samples are in the lab, sent them to an indepenent lab instead of doing them in house. I asked if they could give me a chemical or mineral break down and the owner said they only do the sand, silt and clay and don't differenciate between mineral types. So with them its just a sizing or percentage thing. It is hard to believe that the performance on a baseball field is affected just as much by mineralization as percentage, or expanding vs. non expanding.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 15, 2016 7:52:35 GMT -5
On another note I was reading jamesp thread on his sliced RIO. I think I know what is wrong this guy. He has been sampling the goods, maybe even moonlighting and selling his clay on Amazon...which if he isn't maybe he should be. jamesp is there a difference in taste between the red and the white? They even have a couple of words on what is ailing you, geophagy or geophagia. All kidding aside if you search Kaolin Ga. clay on Amazon it sells for 10 dollars a pound or so plus shipping, at 10 dollars a pound thats $20,000 a big pickup load.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 15, 2016 7:59:17 GMT -5
Well the samples are in the lab, sent them to an indepenent lab instead of doing them in house. I asked if they could give me a chemical or mineral break down and the owner said they only do the sand, silt and clay and don't differenciate between mineral types. So with them its just a sizing or percentage thing. It is hard to believe that the performance on a baseball field is affected just as much by mineralization as percentage, or expanding vs. non expanding. Sand silt and clay works Billy. Because this area is all about granite meaning felspar and quartz. Plenty of iron to add color. Figure on weathered felspar(kaolin) will be the clay. Cannot see much variation in the minerals. This area is boring as hell geologically. Granite granite and more granite. And crystalline quartz of a low grade. Hope it works out to be ready to use with out any blending. I will make a guess that the clay from behind the house is very similar to the clay from the pit 2 miles up the road. If so, it may be telling that this Georgia clay is constant over a large area. Pretty sure this is the case. Finding clay in this area is easy. Many land owners are wanting clay hills removed to create flat spots. I donated two small clay hills to the county road department. They were here 2 months with a Cat 320 track hoe filling dump trucks. In exchange they created two constructed wetlands(ponds) at 1/2 acre each. Gravel put down on my long driveway. Made out like a bandit.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 15, 2016 8:05:21 GMT -5
On another note I was reading jamesp thread on his sliced RIO. I think I know what is wrong this guy. He has been sampling the goods, maybe even moonlighting and selling his clay on Amazon...which if he isn't maybe he should be. jamesp is there a difference in taste between the red and the white? They even have a couple of words on what is ailing you, geophagy or geophagia. All kidding aside if you search Kaolin Ga. clay on Amazon it sells for 10 dollars a pound or so plus shipping, at 10 dollars a pound thats $20,000 a big pickup load. Eating kaolin is an interesting subject. Long practiced by mostly African Americans. Not sure where this practice originated. It is consumed for digestive reasons. Kaopectate is a common medicinal treatment for diarrhea. It is basically suspended kaolin. Bought over most any drug store counter.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 15, 2016 8:06:20 GMT -5
Mind altering clay is a secret formula. Causes people to aggravate others apparently.
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Post by captbob on Dec 15, 2016 8:25:32 GMT -5
All kidding aside if you search Kaolin Ga. clay on Amazon it sells for 10 dollars a pound or so plus shipping, at 10 dollars a pound thats $20,000 a big pickup load. New Price Business Model Mr. - Goes and gets truck load of premo clay Mrs. - Packs clay into FR boxes Mr. Takes clay to post office / returns with more clay repeat Mrs. - Counts money Christmas gift suggestion: gloves
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Post by jamesp on Dec 15, 2016 14:08:12 GMT -5
All kidding aside if you search Kaolin Ga. clay on Amazon it sells for 10 dollars a pound or so plus shipping, at 10 dollars a pound thats $20,000 a big pickup load. New Price Business Model Mr. - Goes and gets truck load of premo clay Mrs. - Packs clay into FR boxes Mr. Takes clay to post office / returns with more clay repeat Mrs. - Counts money Christmas gift suggestion: gloves After many years growing aquatic plants and testing every aquatic soil sold I found red clay smokes all of them. It is an expensive potting soil. I could have sold many tractor trailers of it over the years had I intro-ed it early back in the mid 90's. Instead I maintained it for a trade secret to smoke my completion with better plants. I alone shipped out like 400-500 dump truck loads in planted pots. A sandy/clay mix from my own property. Just right for aquatic plants. Kaolin moguls sat with Rockerfellers and Carnegies. Big money in clay. I hope that Billy' company can profit from our clay. The white eating clay(kaolin) is the messiest. Gloves on anything it contacts.
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Post by grannyteach on Dec 16, 2016 16:30:29 GMT -5
New Price Business Model Mr. - Goes and gets truck load of premo clay Mrs. - Packs clay into FR boxes Mr. Takes clay to post office / returns with more clay repeat Mrs. - Counts money Christmas gift suggestion: gloves After many years growing aquatic plants and testing every aquatic soil sold I found red clay smokes all of them. It is an expensive potting soil. I could have sold many tractor trailers of it over the years had I intro-ed it early back in the mid 90's. Instead I maintained it for a trade secret to smoke my completion with better plants. I alone shipped out like 400-500 dump truck loads in planted pots. A sandy/clay mix from my own property. Just right for aquatic plants. Kaolin moguls sat with Rockerfellers and Carnegies. Big money in clay. I hope that Billy' company can profit from our clay. The white eating clay(kaolin) is the messiest. Gloves on anything it contacts.
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Post by 1dave on Dec 16, 2016 18:21:23 GMT -5
After many years growing aquatic plants and testing every aquatic soil sold I found red clay smokes all of them. Hi grannyteach You are close to jamesp so you should be in for some interesting times!
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 19, 2016 18:50:07 GMT -5
Mr. jamesp got the results from the clay samples. Your sample and the clay pit sample were almost identical except yours had a higher clay content. Yours was about 50 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The pit clay was 35 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The sand was pretty well segregated in both samples about the same. These measurements are the same as grit sizes 2 percent on the 18 5 percent on the 35 screen 8 percent on the 60 10 percent on 100 10 percent on the 270 screen. 15 percent silt 50 percent clay These percentages are retained on the screen so for instance the 10 percent on the 270 screen has particles between 100 and 270 size on it. They should add up to 100. So if you put in 10 lbs of raw clay you would have 5 lbs of clay,1.5 lbs of silt, 1 lb of 100 to 270 grit, 1 lb of 60 to 100 grit, .8 lbs 35 to 60 grit, .5 lb 18 to 35 grit, and .2 lb of grit above 18. I hope all of this made sense.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 5:08:49 GMT -5
Mr. jamesp got the results from the clay samples. Your sample and the clay pit sample were almost identical except yours had a higher clay content. Yours was about 50 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The pit clay was 35 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The sand was pretty well segregated in both samples about the same. These measurements are the same as grit sizes 2 percent on the 18 5 percent on the 35 screen 8 percent on the 60 10 percent on 100 10 percent on the 270 screen. 15 percent silt 50 percent clay These percentages are retained on the screen so for instance the 10 percent on the 270 screen has particles between 100 and 270 size on it. They should add up to 100. So if you put in 10 lbs of raw clay you would have 5 lbs of clay,1.5 lbs of silt, 1 lb of 100 to 270 grit, 1 lb of 60 to 100 grit, .8 lbs 35 to 60 grit, .5 lb 18 to 35 grit, and .2 lb of grit above 18. I hope all of this made sense. Let me know if I can be of any assistance Billy. If that mix of clay has any value to your company and they are interested in property. Developers bought mega acres of AG land in this area speculatively in mid 2000 and are unloading it due to flat real estate market. Property in the 30-1000 acre range. It is very rural here yet 10-15 miles from Atlanta International Airport and 25 miles from center of Atlanta. Brick clay has been mined close by for almost a century. I have bought and sold acreage in this area and am fairly familiar with the area and to some degree the soil. Tell me what size property and I can send you guys the agent's name. There is a heavy industrial area 10 miles east next to rail road connecting Palmetto and Fairburn. Lots of clay rich land near the rail. You guys could grade it flat and sell the property. That is how brick people did it to create flat land for the Fulton County Industrial area.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 5:29:35 GMT -5
Mr. jamesp got the results from the clay samples. Your sample and the clay pit sample were almost identical except yours had a higher clay content. Yours was about 50 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The pit clay was 35 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The sand was pretty well segregated in both samples about the same. These measurements are the same as grit sizes 2 percent on the 18 5 percent on the 35 screen 8 percent on the 60 10 percent on 100 10 percent on the 270 screen. 15 percent silt 50 percent clay These percentages are retained on the screen so for instance the 10 percent on the 270 screen has particles between 100 and 270 size on it. They should add up to 100. So if you put in 10 lbs of raw clay you would have 5 lbs of clay,1.5 lbs of silt, 1 lb of 100 to 270 grit, 1 lb of 60 to 100 grit, .8 lbs 35 to 60 grit, .5 lb 18 to 35 grit, and .2 lb of grit above 18. I hope all of this made sense. Billy I have a set of soil screens. 10-40-60-80-100-200. I have put them on my Viking vibe and sifted abrasives by using the Viking for the shaker. I can get finer screens at the junkyard. My question: What size screen should I use to get the clay without the sand. 400-600-800 ? Or can it be done with a wet process by gravity separation of sand in one pond and overflowing suspended clay to settlement pond ? Got tons of water here, both gravity flow from creek and 100 gpm well and silt catchment ponds.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 5:47:06 GMT -5
I may have answered my own question toiv0. I have a lot of 200-800 gallon containers fed with 50 gpm water lines on a slope. Like septic tanks. I could could put clay in a container at a higher level and stir it violently with pressurized water source and drain the suspended clay to a container at a lower level. Cover the lower container and let it settle. Drain clean water off a week or two later. Collect the settlement. Should be pure clay. practicalprimitive.com/skillofthemonth/processingclay.htmlI have a spare concrete system like this available. It can be bottom drained. I could fill it with water suspended with clay and let it settle. Drain the water off. Fill it up with lounge chairs for full body clay treatments on hot summer days. It would hold about 60 lounge chairs. Each lounge chair would have it's own supply of fresh wet pasty clay under it, freshly brewed with potable well water. Build a greenhouse enclosure over part of it for a 'steamy hot clay full body treatment". I could apply the wet clay to the ladies. Oh, perhaps better to hire young studs for the ladies and nubile young ladies for the men. A great social event. Charge by the hour. 60 X $20/hour = $1200/hour. 2 hour minimum. Mud wrestling adjacent. Full service bar. Solar heated hot water showers. Private rooms... "SOUTH ATLANTA RED CLAY SPA" And marketing "South Atlanta Red Clay Facial Treatment Potion".
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 20, 2016 6:32:08 GMT -5
jamesp, When you screen your sample has to dried to zero moisture then screened. Anything below the 270 screen is considered silt or clay. If you do it on the screens it would take forever. 1/2 pound dried and screened would give you 1/4 lb silt and clay. Your way with the water separation will work. When they wash sand and gravel and send the wash water out to the settling ponds the area closest to the discharge will have some sand in it but as you get farther from the discharge will be the silt and clay as it will stay in suspension. There is a process which uses a floculant to percipitate out the smaller particles faster. I believe you can get some in the pool department in Walmart. www.do-bid.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?dobid146/32Clay can remain in suspension for a long time. So for pure clay I would stir up a big batch, let it settle, put in pond, let it settle for a day to maybe settle out some silt, siphon into the next pond. Should get you pretty close to pure. For a smaller test batch Just use pails at different heights. Stir up 10 lbs let it settle part of day siphon off to lower pail and let it set, siphon to third pail and pour out onto a wide container and let dry in the sun. You should have 5 lbs of clay or you can see how to adjust your settling time.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 20, 2016 6:34:34 GMT -5
Mr. jamesp got the results from the clay samples. Your sample and the clay pit sample were almost identical except yours had a higher clay content. Yours was about 50 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The pit clay was 35 percent clay and 15 percent silt. The sand was pretty well segregated in both samples about the same. These measurements are the same as grit sizes 2 percent on the 18 5 percent on the 35 screen 8 percent on the 60 10 percent on 100 10 percent on the 270 screen. 15 percent silt 50 percent clay These percentages are retained on the screen so for instance the 10 percent on the 270 screen has particles between 100 and 270 size on it. They should add up to 100. So if you put in 10 lbs of raw clay you would have 5 lbs of clay,1.5 lbs of silt, 1 lb of 100 to 270 grit, 1 lb of 60 to 100 grit, .8 lbs 35 to 60 grit, .5 lb 18 to 35 grit, and .2 lb of grit above 18. I hope all of this made sense. Billy I have a set of soil screens. 10-40-60-80-100-200. I have put them on my Viking vibe and sifted abrasives by using the Viking for the shaker. I can get finer screens at the junkyard. My question: What size screen should I use to get the clay without the sand. 400-600-800 ? Or can it be done with a wet process by gravity separation of sand in one pond and overflowing suspended clay to settlement pond ? Got tons of water here, both gravity flow from creek and 100 gpm well and silt catchment ponds. How much are screens at the junk yard? What is the diameter? Do they have a variety of mesh sizes? I need a personal set. They sure are handy to have around.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 6:51:52 GMT -5
I will keep my eyes out toiv0. Mine are vintage, looks like brass and some copper. They pass thru the yards occasionally. I understand the screen being slow. The wet method is easy using the equipment on the farm here. I have been drying out large aquatic plant containers for years to kill weed seeds, pathogens and unwanted aquatic critters. Especially the containers in the greenhouses. Easier to remove the spilt clay and muck after it has dried. Thanks for the info.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 20, 2016 8:25:28 GMT -5
I will keep my eyes out toiv0 . Mine are vintage, looks like brass and some copper. They pass thru the yards occasionally. I understand the screen being slow. The wet method is easy using the equipment on the farm here. I have been drying out large aquatic plant containers for years to kill weed seeds, pathogens and unwanted aquatic critters. Especially the containers in the greenhouses. Easier to remove the spilt clay and muck after it has dried. Thanks for the info. kind of curious to see what the pure clay looks and performs like. Sometimes where there is no local clay we use the pond fines (settling pond silt and clay) for a lower grade mix and it can be pretty nasty to work. We worked a huge pile in Wisconsin for years. It had been there for as long as anyone could remember like 50 ft high and 200 ft long. The deeper we would go into it the wetter it was. Once you move clay it never dries out. You can pull it out of a field and work it, but if you have to re screen it down the road or if it rains on your pile you have to line it out to dry before working.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 8:42:28 GMT -5
I will keep my eyes out toiv0 . Mine are vintage, looks like brass and some copper. They pass thru the yards occasionally. I understand the screen being slow. The wet method is easy using the equipment on the farm here. I have been drying out large aquatic plant containers for years to kill weed seeds, pathogens and unwanted aquatic critters. Especially the containers in the greenhouses. Easier to remove the spilt clay and muck after it has dried. Thanks for the info. kind of curious to see what the pure clay looks and performs like. Sometimes where there is no local clay we use the pond fines (settling pond silt and clay) for a lower grade mix and it can be pretty nasty to work. We worked a huge pile in Wisconsin for years. It had been there for as long as anyone could remember like 50 ft high and 200 ft long. The deeper we would go into it the wetter it was. Once you move clay it never dries out. You can pull it out of a field and work it, but if you have to re screen it down the road or if it rains on your pile you have to line it out to dry before working. I have planted many retention ponds with wetland plants over the years. Many of these retention ponds are 1-2 acres. They are filled 1-3 feet deep with clay run off from 10-100 acre construction sites graded completely out of clay. Slow flowing streams of super muddy water flowing in. When these type of ponds experience a prolonged drought they crack into dry chunks of settled precipitated clay. Probably a good source for tumbling clay. Look familiar ? Lighter color = drier. Less sand = bigger cracks/more shrinkage
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