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Post by Fossilman on Apr 8, 2018 23:18:15 GMT -5
What can a guy say that hasn't been said already!!! Holy Moly Dude!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 6:30:21 GMT -5
toiv0 accidentalrockhound fossilmanThe glass blowers in town gave me all their scrap. like several thousand pounds. I got 2 kilns and it makes sense to fill them up if you are going to turn them on. the glass is expensive if purchased new. The big kiln melts 4 pounds at a time and the little kiln does about 2 pounds when doing slabs. So it adds up to a lot of slab material. Glass melts to 6mm slabs in most cases so the melt slabs make perfect lapidary stock. Even if you melt 2mm glass it shrinks to 6mm thickness, an odd trait but perfect for pendant stock. Or you can build a form and melt 2 inch thick bricks. Then rock saw into slabs. You guys should get into the hobby. Hint, find a glass blower anxious to get rid of his scrap glass.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 8:21:04 GMT -5
This is s slump. Simply a low temp flattening of curved glass without further melting the colors together. If these multi colored shards were melted it would mix the wide range of colors to ugly brown. A bit risky as it is easy to overheat and make a bunch of ugly brown shards. The glass was curved because it came from one of these 10 inch globes. Call it a round slab. I paid good money to have the blower make these hoping I could sell the finished shards as pendants. Next step will be to flat lap flat shards to cab shapes and then tumble polish. Long day at the flat lap. Getting better at making shapes. The glass is soft and shapes quickly. Shards are over sized for flexibility in shape choice. Quite a river of wet glass dust flowing out of lap. This batch should loose a quarter pound out of 4 pounds of shards in grind dust using 100 grit lap wheel. globe at upper left was used ready to go to 1250F "flattening temp" along with some test pieces. bottom shelf top shelf after flattening with no color dilution thank goodness Wife tackled other kiln and made up some singles. Remelted glass from the glass blower and will not flame polish so it must be tumble polished.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 8:52:37 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 9:00:32 GMT -5
Melt for tomorrow, large sculpture that was broken by accident from local glass blower. glass is loaded with stringers(threads of glass woven in). 3 pounds and will be spread out to make about a 12 X 12 inch melt slab say 1/4" thick. "random rutilations"
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Post by accidentalrockhound on Apr 9, 2018 9:09:17 GMT -5
I believe you are going to be easily on top of the glass chain. The variety and stock you have. You are already on top. Very little overhead bigger profits. You got them all beat.
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Post by MsAli on Apr 9, 2018 9:13:21 GMT -5
Those look great jamesp and I have no doubt they will sell
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Post by MsAli on Apr 9, 2018 9:15:42 GMT -5
The only thing I would suggest is the pictures need to be refined a tad. Think girly.
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Post by MrP on Apr 9, 2018 9:16:13 GMT -5
James how much more would it cost to have him spin it out flat?.................................MrP
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 9, 2018 10:11:32 GMT -5
Look good Mr. James, one thought is the bail size. Look small, med weight pendent might take a 1.5 mm chain, 2mm cord or tubing. The end of the chains or cord have to get through it also.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 10:40:24 GMT -5
The only thing I would suggest is the pictures need to be refined a tad. Think girly. I had a paper tablet loaded with pages of girly pages that was used to take jewelry photos on in past. I am still having trouble transferring photos from pad to computer. Bugs, bugs, bugs. then re learn drilling holes. then learn pinch bail. All in an hour last night. so just opening this can lol. Thanks for the advise Alison. agreed, photos sterile. I will also look at Etsy photos and copy better sellers backgrounds.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 10:55:38 GMT -5
James how much more would it cost to have him spin it out flat?.................................MrP We discussed that method Michael. That automatically doubled the price and some as he has to spin the glass out. More heat, more handling, more tedious. I have him hired on bare-bones-minimal, the globe fits the bill according to him. Grit coverage is cheapest color additive, stringers/confetti/pattern glass etc is quite a bit more costly. One of those globes was half price simply because it is thin and has half the Frit. If this works I can have him do quantity at discount. most blowers would not do this as they are all about making art pieces. this guy is young and not famous yet like the others in town, give him a few years. I pick his scrap up every 2 weeks and each time there is a couple of messed up vases of finest workmanship in the trash pile. vase glass that I could not afford.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 11:10:47 GMT -5
I believe you are going to be easily on top of the glass chain. The variety and stock you have. You are already on top. Very little overhead bigger profits. You got them all beat. I don't post much of my production, you might be surprised at some of the pieces. I have melted/slumped over 100 vases and plates from all over the world. The variety is a bit overwhelming. But learning about more methods faster than we can produce them. The vases and the purchased color glass does add up in costs though. Approach is a business too so spending justified. Lots of junk produced in the beginning, call it educational costs. Slowing down now and knowing what not to do is key. Failure is frowned upon in most business, I always thought it is key to creation of process. Between the tumbling and the melting this is a very process oriented activity. It is absolutely complicated and challenging.
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Post by MsAli on Apr 9, 2018 11:22:03 GMT -5
The only thing I would suggest is the pictures need to be refined a tad. Think girly. I had a paper tablet loaded with pages of girly pages that was used to take jewelry photos on in past. I am still having trouble transferring photos from pad to computer. Bugs, bugs, bugs. then re learn drilling holes. then learn pinch bail. All in an hour last night. so just opening this can lol. Thanks for the advise Alison. agreed, photos sterile. I will also look at Etsy photos and copy better sellers backgrounds. You'll have it down in no time flat
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Post by MrP on Apr 9, 2018 11:55:36 GMT -5
James how much more would it cost to have him spin it out flat?.................................MrP We discussed that method Michael. That automatically doubled the price and some as he has to spin the glass out. More heat, more handling, more tedious. I have him hired on bare-bones-minimal, the globe fits the bill according to him. Grit coverage is cheapest color additive, stringers/confetti/pattern glass etc is quite a bit more costly. One of those globes was half price simply because it is thin and has half the Frit. If this works I can have him do quantity at discount. most blowers would not do this as they are all about making art pieces. this guy is young and not famous yet like the others in town, give him a few years. I pick his scrap up every 2 weeks and each time there is a couple of messed up vases of finest workmanship in the trash pile. vase glass that I could not afford. That answers that! Thanks.............................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 12:38:37 GMT -5
Look good Mr. James, one thought is the bail size. Look small, med weight pendent might take a 1.5 mm chain, 2mm cord or tubing. The end of the chains or cord have to get through it also. I see what you are saying about the bail size and threading cord/chain thru. Willing to make purchase that will accommodate. Let me tell you about a problem I have that needs addressing before bail size - drilling hole with out breaking. I am a klutz when it comes to such delicate work. I know to use water. I do not have a Dremel drill press, I do have a foredom and a big fat Dremel adjustable 5000 to 35,000 RPM. I am thinking the Dremel drill press is the way to go - opinions ? And with a good backing material - wood - rubber - ideas ? I have China made 1.5mm and 1mm. I like the 1mm for the pinch bails. Also, should I buy US Lasco Diamond drills brand for best quality.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 12:41:28 GMT -5
I had a paper tablet loaded with pages of girly pages that was used to take jewelry photos on in past. I am still having trouble transferring photos from pad to computer. Bugs, bugs, bugs. then re learn drilling holes. then learn pinch bail. All in an hour last night. so just opening this can lol. Thanks for the advise Alison. agreed, photos sterile. I will also look at Etsy photos and copy better sellers backgrounds. You'll have it down in no time flat Delicate drilling is my #1 problem Alsion. Asking Billy in detail. May need a Dremel drill press.
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Post by MsAli on Apr 9, 2018 12:43:56 GMT -5
I had no problems drilling with the dremel (no press) other than that one that I am pretty sure I hit a piece of metal Slow and easy and I went half through one side, flipped it and went in through the other.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 12:53:00 GMT -5
We discussed that method Michael. That automatically doubled the price and some as he has to spin the glass out. More heat, more handling, more tedious. I have him hired on bare-bones-minimal, the globe fits the bill according to him. Grit coverage is cheapest color additive, stringers/confetti/pattern glass etc is quite a bit more costly. One of those globes was half price simply because it is thin and has half the Frit. If this works I can have him do quantity at discount. most blowers would not do this as they are all about making art pieces. this guy is young and not famous yet like the others in town, give him a few years. I pick his scrap up every 2 weeks and each time there is a couple of messed up vases of finest workmanship in the trash pile. vase glass that I could not afford. That answers that! Thanks.............................MrP It is no problem Michael as the slump temp flattens them delightfully. This blower uses virgin glass. Much clearer and fuse able than recycle. I have been wrestling with glass that has much more extreme curves in it. I started cheap bids on some brands of vases that have compatible glass. One fine vase maker in China is imported to Atlanta heavily and it has the absolute finest glass I have fused thus far, like melting butter. A lot of the Italian glass fits my heating/slumping schedules. I have also began rolling the glass in rotary steps right up to AO 1000 to reduce the vibe times. Rotary holds much bigger batches and any reduction in vibe time(bottleneck) helps a bunch. However the rotary is risky as it can bruise glass in a second so great care must be taken.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 12:58:47 GMT -5
I had no problems drilling with the dremel (no press) other than that one that I am pretty sure I hit a piece of metal Slow and easy and I went half through one side, flipped it and went in through the other. grrrr I get the 2 sided thing, doing that too. Even at that Miss Nimble Fingers this drill thing puts a whooping on me . Lady's touch, and you guys are nimble fingered no denying. After drilling 10 I started breaking them, got tense and angry, all effort after that wasted.
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