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Post by MsAli on Apr 9, 2018 13:03:39 GMT -5
I had no problems drilling with the dremel (no press) other than that one that I am pretty sure I hit a piece of metal Slow and easy and I went half through one side, flipped it and went in through the other. grrrr I get the 2 sided thing, doing that too. Even at that Miss Nimble Fingers this drill thing puts a whooping on me . Lady's touch, and you guys are nimble fingered no denying. After drilling 10 I started breaking them, got tense and angry, all effort after that wasted. Work on small batches. Do 5, take a break then go back and do 5 more. They definitely cannot be man-handled. A "drill press" might be easier for you.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 13:20:36 GMT -5
grrrr I get the 2 sided thing, doing that too. Even at that Miss Nimble Fingers this drill thing puts a whooping on me . Lady's touch, and you guys are nimble fingered no denying. After drilling 10 I started breaking them, got tense and angry, all effort after that wasted. Work on small batches. Do 5, take a break then go back and do 5 more. They definitely cannot be man-handled. A "drill press" might be easier for you.
Just got to be loose and rested, agree on the 'few at a time' trick. Pretty sure the down force control of a drill press is going to help. Welder's eyes not helping either.
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 9, 2018 13:23:57 GMT -5
Look good Mr. James, one thought is the bail size. Look small, med weight pendent might take a 1.5 mm chain, 2mm cord or tubing. The end of the chains or cord have to get through it also. I see what you are saying about the bail size and threading cord/chain thru. Willing to make purchase that will accommodate. Let me tell you about a problem I have that needs addressing before bail size - drilling hole with out breaking. I am a klutz when it comes to such delicate work. I know to use water. I do not have a Dremel drill press, I do have a foredom and a big fat Dremel adjustable 5000 to 35,000 RPM. I am thinking the Dremel drill press is the way to go - opinions ? And with a good backing material - wood - rubber - ideas ? I have China made 1.5mm and 1mm. I like the 1mm for the pinch bails. Also, should I buy US Lasco Diamond drills brand for best quality. I have never had luck drilling stone or glass but would like to figure it out. TheRock had some ideas his wife uses in the wire wrapping section. Jugglerguy posted this reply that makes the most sense to my brain. " Duke, I don’t understand the little Jet Ballistic cup for drilling in. I drill hundreds of holes in pudding stones to make beads for a friend. I’m just drilling 1mm holes. I use a Dremel in a drill press stand. I also cut larger holes for other projects with a regular wood working drill press. In both cases, I drill in a sandwich sized Tupperware type container with water in it. I put a small piece of 1/4 in plywood in the bottom so I don’t drill a hole in the container when I go through the stone. When doing the pudding stone beads, I drill from both sides to avoid blowout. I glue a short piece of the 1mm drill bit I use into the plywood so it sticks up about 1/16 of an inch. After drilling about half way through, I line up the short bit in the plywood with my bit in the Dremel. Then I set the partially drilled bead on the short bit and drill the rest of the way through. I hit the hole every time that way without any blowout." Read more: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/82329/maryjanes-first-stab-jewelry#ixzz5CCTUwRg1This is my little drill for the foredom, nice because it has a reostat foot control.
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Post by TheRock on Apr 9, 2018 14:01:47 GMT -5
WoW! Those are beautiful looks like you may be onto something here. You need to be thinking about something here. You need to have a family member or someone highly motivated that you can trust to take care of the business end of this while you are doing the R&D and making product. This has the ability to take off like a rocket is it worth getting a patent? no doubt the chiwaneese will copy it, you need to be ready to launch. Good 4 You! ~Duke
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Post by lookatthat on Apr 9, 2018 15:00:26 GMT -5
Those pendants are fabulous, but the bails are meh, and kind of take away from the pendants. You can get much prettier bails where the shape more closely matches the pendant. And yes, bigger too, for practical purposes.
Maybe you should go into the stained-glass window biz. You make such beautiful things.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 15:04:51 GMT -5
I see what you are saying about the bail size and threading cord/chain thru. Willing to make purchase that will accommodate. Let me tell you about a problem I have that needs addressing before bail size - drilling hole with out breaking. I am a klutz when it comes to such delicate work. I know to use water. I do not have a Dremel drill press, I do have a foredom and a big fat Dremel adjustable 5000 to 35,000 RPM. I am thinking the Dremel drill press is the way to go - opinions ? And with a good backing material - wood - rubber - ideas ? I have China made 1.5mm and 1mm. I like the 1mm for the pinch bails. Also, should I buy US Lasco Diamond drills brand for best quality. I have never had luck drilling stone or glass but would like to figure it out. TheRock had some ideas his wife uses in the wire wrapping section. Jugglerguy posted this reply that makes the most sense to my brain. " Duke, I don’t understand the little Jet Ballistic cup for drilling in. I drill hundreds of holes in pudding stones to make beads for a friend. I’m just drilling 1mm holes. I use a Dremel in a drill press stand. I also cut larger holes for other projects with a regular wood working drill press. In both cases, I drill in a sandwich sized Tupperware type container with water in it. I put a small piece of 1/4 in plywood in the bottom so I don’t drill a hole in the container when I go through the stone. When doing the pudding stone beads, I drill from both sides to avoid blowout. I glue a short piece of the 1mm drill bit I use into the plywood so it sticks up about 1/16 of an inch. After drilling about half way through, I line up the short bit in the plywood with my bit in the Dremel. Then I set the partially drilled bead on the short bit and drill the rest of the way through. I hit the hole every time that way without any blowout." Read more: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/82329/maryjanes-first-stab-jewelry#ixzz5CCTUwRg1This is my little drill for the foredom, nice because it has a reostat foot control. I remember reading Jugglerguy's thread on this. He has great success. Looks like his Dremel press is the way to go. Plywood backing... Thanks for finding the thread Billy, thanks Rob for the thread. Real sweat press for the foredom Billy. Well built
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 15:11:50 GMT -5
Those pendants are fabulous, but the bails are meh, and kind of take away from the pendants. You can get much prettier bails where the shape more closely matches the pendant. And yes, bigger too, for practical purposes. Maybe you should go into the stained-glass window biz. You make such beautiful things. I would prefer to sell the pendants wholesale to those that wrap and set lookatthat. Just thought I would get them out there on Etsy with bails and practice listings/photos. Done filled up a roll around tool chest so the inventory is ready for market. Lots of stock. Thanks for the kind words. Real love is melting/grinding the small pieces of glass into pendants. Such small melts allows so many variations.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 15:19:13 GMT -5
WoW! Those are beautiful looks like you may be onto something here. You need to be thinking about something here. You need to have a family member or someone highly motivated that you can trust to take care of the business end of this while you are doing the R&D and making product. This has the ability to take off like a rocket is it worth getting a patent? no doubt the chiwaneese will copy it, you need to be ready to launch. Good 4 You! ~Duke Thanks Duke. The Chinese folks may copy. I do work with a lot of vintage vases from thrift stores that may be hard to find in China. Atlanta has a giant glass import market. Then scrap from fine glass blowers. Sourcing unusual materials has been a real toe hold and may keep me a bit difficult to mimic. Sourcing difficult-to-find can be a big way to set you apart from competition. May be my strongest benefit.
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Post by MrP on Apr 9, 2018 15:22:11 GMT -5
Look good Mr. James, one thought is the bail size. Look small, med weight pendent might take a 1.5 mm chain, 2mm cord or tubing. The end of the chains or cord have to get through it also. I see what you are saying about the bail size and threading cord/chain thru. Willing to make purchase that will accommodate. Let me tell you about a problem I have that needs addressing before bail size - drilling hole with out breaking. I am a klutz when it comes to such delicate work. I know to use water. I do not have a Dremel drill press, I do have a foredom and a big fat Dremel adjustable 5000 to 35,000 RPM. I am thinking the Dremel drill press is the way to go - opinions ? And with a good backing material - wood - rubber - ideas ? I have China made 1.5mm and 1mm. I like the 1mm for the pinch bails. Also, should I buy US Lasco Diamond drills brand for best quality. I found that the Crystalite Triple Ripple Drills from Kingsley North were the best bits for drilling. They were only $125 per 100 back in the day but are $225 per 100 now. Most glass is fairly easy on drill bits so you should get many holes with 1 bit. It sucks when it takes 4 or 5 bits for 1 hole! I have drilled many hundreds of holes with bits. I have a 4 X 6 X 3/4" dish that I use a piece of obsidian in the bottom with water covering the pendant. The obsidian is to pendant on to help keep the back from blowing out. Obsidian is soft so no harm to the bit. I do not use a drill press, tried it did not like it. Well that is basically the way I 'did' it because I have am ultrasonic drill that I use now. The cost to drill with that is very low but they cost a lot to buy. If you keep at this and drill thousands of cabs it may become the way to go. Highland Park I bought mine used but it came from this dealer Ultrasonic Drill and he is a very nice person to talk to. Ultrasonic drill are a bugger to figure out how to use the right way but once a person gets it right it is very fast.............MrP
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 15:31:48 GMT -5
Tonight's melt. The light green glass was from a large sculpture that was broken in an accident. It has threads of light green glass running throughout. It is very thick chunks that should melt together into a continuos slab, so the gaps. it is on top shelf jacked close to top heaters for lowering viscosity for homogenous melt puddle.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 9, 2018 16:42:42 GMT -5
I see what you are saying about the bail size and threading cord/chain thru. Willing to make purchase that will accommodate. Let me tell you about a problem I have that needs addressing before bail size - drilling hole with out breaking. I am a klutz when it comes to such delicate work. I know to use water. I do not have a Dremel drill press, I do have a foredom and a big fat Dremel adjustable 5000 to 35,000 RPM. I am thinking the Dremel drill press is the way to go - opinions ? And with a good backing material - wood - rubber - ideas ? I have China made 1.5mm and 1mm. I like the 1mm for the pinch bails. Also, should I buy US Lasco Diamond drills brand for best quality. I found that the Crystalite Triple Ripple Drills from Kingsley North were the best bits for drilling. They were only $125 per 100 back in the day but are $225 per 100 now. Most glass is fairly easy on drill bits so you should get many holes with 1 bit. It sucks when it takes 4 or 5 bits for 1 hole! I have drilled many hundreds of holes with bits. I have a 4 X 6 X 3/4" dish that I use a piece of obsidian in the bottom with water covering the pendant. The obsidian is to pendant on to help keep the back from blowing out. Obsidian is soft so no harm to the bit. I do not use a drill press, tried it did not like it. Well that is basically the way I 'did' it because I have am ultrasonic drill that I use now. The cost to drill with that is very low but they cost a lot to buy. If you keep at this and drill thousands of cabs it may become the way to go. Highland Park I bought mine used but it came from this dealer Ultrasonic Drill and he is a very nice person to talk to. Ultrasonic drill are a bugger to figure out how to use the right way but once a person gets it right it is very fast.............MrP Digesting this Michael.
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Post by TheRock on Apr 9, 2018 17:53:29 GMT -5
WoW! Those are beautiful looks like you may be onto something here. You need to be thinking about something here. You need to have a family member or someone highly motivated that you can trust to take care of the business end of this while you are doing the R&D and making product. This has the ability to take off like a rocket is it worth getting a patent? no doubt the chiwaneese will copy it, you need to be ready to launch. Good 4 You! ~Duke Thanks Duke. The Chinese folks may copy. I do work with a lot of vintage vases from thrift stores that may be hard to find in China. Atlanta has a giant glass import market. Then scrap from fine glass blowers. Sourcing unusual materials has been a real toe hold and may keep me a bit difficult to mimic. Sourcing difficult-to-find can be a big way to set you apart from competition. May be my strongest benefit. Not a problem MATE, PM Sent! ~Duke
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2018 11:06:27 GMT -5
Tuesday melt. wife has taken on store bought colored back plate melts. But they are hybridized with the blower's scraps. My green lines melt was too far apart to connect into a continuous slab so it will get a re-melt. Been grinding metal for 40 years, only in the past few weeks have I tried cabs wife's red back plate melt and a vase I commissioned. tumble ready Made some techno cabs out of failed green melt. Stringered glass cost a lot more so these scraps are desirable. tumble ready
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 10, 2018 13:22:38 GMT -5
That green, is kick ass cool!!! WOW!!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2018 13:49:45 GMT -5
That green, is kick ass cool!!! WOW!! parasites ?
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Post by amygdule on Apr 10, 2018 15:46:05 GMT -5
That green, is kick ass cool!!! WOW!! parasites ? I love the taste of Green Grass.
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 10, 2018 16:44:41 GMT -5
First with my bails, not sure how I will do the ones that are clear and I can see the bail through.
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Post by broseph82 on Apr 10, 2018 17:23:54 GMT -5
First with my bails, not sure how I will do the ones that are clear and I can see the bail through. Tack fuse a dark piece of glass on the back that’s not see through and attach bail to that. Presto!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2018 18:07:06 GMT -5
I love the taste of Green Grass. Those represent about 20% of the melt. I nipped the clear sections out of rest and extracted the grass sections and will remelt them together for more of same.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2018 18:39:21 GMT -5
First with my bails, not sure how I will do the ones that are clear and I can see the bail through. Dang Billy I had them all polished up Ha ha just kidding. I just chaffed a whole load of glass trying to get to polish in the rotary. Back to the beginning on them. Never thought about having a bezel with decoration - why not. Transformer wire, it's flat and many sizes. You probably know about it.
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