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Post by MsAli on Jun 28, 2018 18:53:12 GMT -5
I'm excited to see how that turns out!
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 28, 2018 19:03:54 GMT -5
I wasn't on here yesterday except for a minute or two and didn't have time to catch up on this thread. Holy crap, jamesp! You must have been born with a horseshoe stuck somewhere.
If I were anywhere near you, I'd be all over that glass like flies on you know what. I have some stashed away still in the boxes I packed it in when I moved out here 9 years ago. I was into stained glass before I discovered opals. 
I have a stepping stone pattern for a whole patio that I bought years ago with no where to actually install something that large. Now I have the space, but not the time, but I would love to be able to do. Also have a pattern for a garden bench that would look awesome in my yard. Glass was way expensive back then; I can only imagine what it goes for now. No glass shops up here in the wild west. Would have to drive to Phoenix or possibly Flagstaff to find one.
Stepping stones would go awesome with your firepits.
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Post by fernwood on Jun 28, 2018 19:28:06 GMT -5
Stepping stones would go awesome with your firepits.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 28, 2018 21:39:08 GMT -5
Now that would be something to behold!
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 3:49:49 GMT -5
I'm excited to see how that turns out! I have posted a question on 2 glass forums - Has anyone heard of "Hot Mix Fire Dragon" brand glass. Lol, Not a soul has heard of this brand of glass. Not necessarily a bad thing. No telling what you may get out of China. I am getting this glass thru about the largest glass distributer in the US. No doubt the company decided to give "Hot Mix" a chance in 2007 at headquarters in Chicago. Now China has been tinkering with ceramics and glass before Europe was in diapers. I find China glass to be some of the finest. Melted many a China made vase. Most of it is super fine. Melts BUBBLE FREE !! The packaging is supreme, the glass rods are in heavy clear PVC tubes with soft rubber caps. The powdered glass in fine screw cap plastic jars and appears to be crushed from chunk glass instead of pieces of plates like us US folks do it. The sheet glass is rich/dense in color, comes in thinnest sheets. Everything a glass fuser wants. I will know a lot about the characteristics of this glass with the half dozen tests after cool down today. The colors are out dated but it is virgin glass and can certainly be mixed for any color. Melted mixed many times over. Plenty of primary and secondary colors to brew fancy up beat colors. |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 4:22:37 GMT -5
hummingbirdstones fernwoodThere is a problem with melts over 14 to 16 inches using most of the scrap. I get a smaller portion of glass from one blower that uses virgin glass. But the tons of scrap came from the blower that recycles. Here in lies the problem. The recycle has been cooked to death at repeated 2200F temps. It is full of bubbles, it traps bubbles, it is hard and flows poorly. THAT is where my bubbles are coming from ! It's expansion properties have been altered so that any plate I melt over 14 inches cracks. But you can throw smaller melts down on concrete and it is difficult to break it = very hard glass. COE problems will crack bullet proof glass. The glass from the other blower does not crack and has few bubbles because it was only heated one time. New glass from US suppliers never has bubbles. 'Virgin' glass rules. Hopefully this new import glass will have no bubbles since it is virgin glass. Fusing is different than melting. Fusing is 1500F and can be done many times without altering glass properties. Blowing glass requires 2000 to 2200F and does alter the properties. So for small pendants the recycle is fine. And has a higher Mohs so it polishes super nice in the tumbler. But big projects it is useless. This import glass should put me in the driver's seat for bubble free knapping glass. Knapper's are men and they have no fashion taste so their color lusts are way different than you ladies. Primary and secondary colors will float their boat. Doubt they want to make pink and teal spearheads lol. Most of them carry a 'chip' of chert in their pocket. "Hey, I skinned and gutted 11 deer with this fossilized coral chip" Or a small arrowhead they had killed 3 deer with using and osage orange tree straight bow. Not so much pink and teal folks. Men's men type dudes.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 4:39:33 GMT -5
I wasn't on here yesterday except for a minute or two and didn't have time to catch up on this thread. Holy crap, jamesp! You must have been born with a horseshoe stuck somewhere. If I were anywhere near you, I'd be all over that glass like flies on you know what. I have some stashed away still in the boxes I packed it in when I moved out here 9 years ago. I was into stained glass before I discovered opals. I have a stepping stone pattern for a whole patio that I bought years ago with no where to actually install something that large. Now I have the space, but not the time, but I would love to be able to do. Also have a pattern for a garden bench that would look awesome in my yard. Glass was way expensive back then; I can only imagine what it goes for now. No glass shops up here in the wild west. Would have to drive to Phoenix or possibly Flagstaff to find one. Stepping stones would go awesome with your firepits.
About half this glass is fuse glass and the other half appears to be stained glass(useless for fusing). Some how I have charmed my way into this glass operation and became the chosen one to get this glass. Probably because they know I haul heavy stuff because the freight company is close to this glass warehouse. And they see my trailer loads of steel when heading home with a load when I stop buy to buy glass. Plus they have to account for every piece as it is taken and I can pick it up a crate at a time living just down the road. Or maybe there is a boss lady, two secretary ladies and two sales ladies that I have adorned with glass jewels lol. Me always in trouble. Wife will circumcise (again) one day. Let me finish with the fuse glass and perhaps help them get rid of the stained glass. The requirement they would demand is simply a truck backed up to their dock that they can load the ~1000 pound crates onto and $$$ for the glass. Some crates may go 2000 pounds... The freight cost will likely dwarf the glass cost. So if interested let me know. |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 4:49:42 GMT -5
Larger hopper on Vibrasonic is producing about faster than we can melt and compose. every 4 days:  |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 4:56:44 GMT -5
15 pound heavy vase for $15 at thrift store. Test melting in progress. Glass almost 1 inch thick at lower half. Tile saw struggles cutting it. Thought hit me about drilling a hole for a bird nest and drilling holes for hangers. Cork in top, remove cork and wash out when birds are finished nesting.  |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 29, 2018 5:05:45 GMT -5
That would be a cool birds nest.
I prefer the natural colors to bright ones. Give me browns, tans, rusts, etc., any day over the bright primary colors. Can see why those colors would appeal to knappers. Looks more like the common rocks historically used for knapping.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 5:14:54 GMT -5
That would be a cool birds nest. I prefer the natural colors to bright ones. Give me browns, tans, rusts, etc., any day over the bright primary colors. Can see why those colors would appeal to knappers. Looks more like the common rocks historically used for knapping. That request should be doable. The vases come in so many colors and patterns. One of the more popular colors is brown/beige backing with brown spots. Darn near camouflage in eastern hardwoods. I see this color a lot  |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 29, 2018 5:32:58 GMT -5
That would be beautiful with copper/bronze metals.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 5:37:42 GMT -5
Let me disturb your brain. This melting glass thing is not so predictable. In color nor pattern. Photo 1 before melt, photo 2 is at 800F so colors are way off due to elevated temp, dark or off. Blues and green are crazy off. Two melt plates are US COE 90 glass on bottom, import COE 90 on top.(to test if import mates with US) Moving down to individuals, US COE 96 on bottom, import COE 90 on top(to test for different COE's cracking, it would be great if import COE 90 works with US COE 96)   |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 5:44:22 GMT -5
That would be beautiful with copper/bronze metals. I would estimate 25% of blown glass in the high end shops is similar to that color and pattern Beth. Talking new glass, but that combo has been a big hit since the 50's and is common in thrift stores. I pass them up frequently because I have a lot of it. |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 29, 2018 5:53:03 GMT -5
My brain is not disturbed. Heat and exposure time effects the coloring agents in glass. Going back to the Royal Ruby glass. It took many trials to determine the correct "formula" for the ground glass to actually come out red when used as pottery glaze. I found the process fascinating and learned a lot. Was amazed that the red glass went from clear to black to red in the process.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 8:16:20 GMT -5
My brain is not disturbed. Heat and exposure time effects the coloring agents in glass. Going back to the Royal Ruby glass. It took many trials to determine the correct "formula" for the ground glass to actually come out red when used as pottery glaze. I found the process fascinating and learned a lot. Was amazed that the red glass went from clear to black to red in the process. Reds and oranges are the wonderers Beth. Temp sensitive. Looks like the China glass arrived at Fiestaware colors go figure. More confused than ever ha.    |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 8:43:28 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 29, 2018 9:02:24 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that's a really nice combo. Very pretty! |
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Post by fernwood on Jun 29, 2018 9:05:05 GMT -5
Historically, knockoffs of moderate to higher quality US glass/pottery have been made by foreign countries.
I like your latest color combos.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 9:43:57 GMT -5
Historically, knockoffs of moderate to higher quality US glass/pottery have been made by foreign countries. I like your latest color combos. No idea where the Fiestaware theme came from. I should add that these were US 96 Spectrum on bottom and import 90 on top. I shocked them by pulling them at 500F to aggravate potential cracking from brand difference and COE differential. Then mechanical tested(dropped on concrete) and must say they seem bulletproof. Melting virgin import 90 and scrap US 96 explodes the combinations and permutations exponentially since the scrap is low on opaque. import loaded. Granted they are man colors but I am just mechanically testing. Reds and yellows are particularly sensitive to COE differences. The import has plenty of organic and fashionable colors. |
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